RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted September 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) Blown it up as much as I can on my monitor, a 32" tv screen, and it's a pretty finely detailed image, but I can't make out the wording to the right of T/L. It's in very clean condition for a blue unit at this date. You should have seen the fug produced by dmus at Canton left running on cold frosty windless nights, especially when they were revved to charge batteries and build control air pressure before going off-shed for their morning duties. The locals must have longed for steam to come back! Tyseley, St.Phillip's Marsh, and Southall must have been similar... Edited September 15, 2023 by The Johnster 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pteremy Posted September 16, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 16, 2023 14 hours ago, dj_crisp said: I'm just modelling this unit https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/20702 And I'm not sure what's written on the set number in the bottom left window. I assume top left is TS with 702 at the bottom. Does anyone know whats written top right to the right of the TS? Thanks Will The T is printed, together with 702 and the dividing lines for the boxes. The other letters are chalk writing - I make them 'S' in the left hand box, 'June' in the middle box and I would have said '3rd' in the right hand box - but the photo is dated 7th June. It will be pretty indistinct once shrunk to 4mm scale. Possibly other photos from around the same time and place will show something similar in other vehicles, to confirm the format?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj_crisp Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 4 hours ago, Pteremy said: The T is printed, together with 702 and the dividing lines for the boxes. The other letters are chalk writing - I make them 'S' in the left hand box, 'June' in the middle box and I would have said '3rd' in the right hand box - but the photo is dated 7th June. It will be pretty indistinct once shrunk to 4mm scale. Possibly other photos from around the same time and place will show something similar in other vehicles, to confirm the format?? Thanks. I'm thinking I'll just draw something representing some kind of unreadable hand written writing. I also thought it said June too. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I vaguely recall the top right hand box on the set number board having dates scrawled in chalk around that time. The date could either have been date of last maintenance or date next maintenance due. Norwich based units in the 1970s/80s used to have a maintenance due date board in the windscreen, https://www.railcar.co.uk/images/25896 The set in this image, photographed March 25th shows "28 WEDS" as the next maintenance due date. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) 1989 Western Region Old Oak Common retained its pair of Class 116 Motor Brake Seconds at the start of the year. 53083 had been to Doncaster Works in December 1988 for a C3 overhaul, emerging in Network South East livery, which by that time featured the darker shade of blue along with the curved transition from horizontal to upswept at the cab ends. 53820 had also been to Doncaster Works in November/December 1988 for a G Exam, and also carried the same variant of NSE livery into 1989. In May 1989, L307 set comprised 53083 - 53820, an identical formation to 1987 and 1988. In June, these two had been split to form different units; 53083 ran in set L210 with Pressed Steel driving trailer 54289, the latter vehicle having been fitted with an inter-vehicle gangway. As an aside, 54289 passed through various preserved railways and is currently at the East Lancs Railway where a comprehensive restoration is underway, and from memory this includes reverting the non-cab end to its original non gangwayed state. 53820 was paired with Old Oak’s “odd” Class 118 Motor Second, 51319 as L705 set. Both units were observed during June (at different times) operating between Banbury and Oxford, and the Old Oak two car sets were also used on Thames Valley branches also on Gospel Oak - Barking services. Cardiff Canton was the other WR depot with any Class 116 vehicles in this year, and at the start of the year there were 22 vehicles, all motor coaches allocated. Eighteen of these were notable for having arrived at the depot during the 1960s! At the start of the year, the sets were: - C360 53080 - 53122 C362 53086 - 53128 C375 53855 - 53908 C377 53858 - 53911 C390 51128 - 51141 C391 51132 - 51145 C392 51134 - 51147 C393 51135 - 51148 C394 51139 - 51152 C395 51140 - 51153 C980 53089 - 51513 (Class 101) This set was soon disbanded. Spare 53131 At the beginning of the year, the unit requirements for Valley Lines were 15 sets of 150/2, 8 sets of Class 116 also a couple of Landore based Class 108s. A revision of the Sunday requirements from 8th January saw a couple of 116 sets required when previously there had been none. Flexibility on Valley Lines was maintained by minimising the amount of occasions when it was necessary to couple units together.The 116s had spent some time restricted to "Inner Suburban" services but from late 1988 they had been permitted to explore the outer reaches of the valley routes. In February and March, Cardiff hosted some prestigious Rugby matches and additional capacity was provided by borrowing Class 116 triple sets from Tyseley. There were also some of the Class 115/116 hybrid quad sets in use. In March 1989, Newton Heath Depot had a clear-out of Class 116 vehicles, and three vehicles made the move to Cardiff: 53843, 53848 and 53887. All three had been at Canton in the past, with 53843 and 53848 leaving there in September 1987 to go to Newton Heath. 53887 had been at Cardiff until October 1978, moving to Tyseley as part of the enhancement of the West Midland Class 116 fleet for Cross City Line operations. During this month, 53089 was withdrawn. By May 1989, two additional sets had been formed using these returning vehicles: C373 53843 - 53131 C374 53848 - 53887 This was countered by the storage of C377, 53858 - 53911. With the additional sets, the Canton Class 116 fleet was at its peak for the year. Photographic evidence during the year shows this fleet of power twins typically operating on the various South Wales valley routes alongside the sizeable fleet of relatively new Class 150/2 Sprinter units. The power twin configuration would have assisted in keeping up with Sprinter timings, while the lack of toilets was not any different from when the 116s ruled these routes. In mid May, the Valley Lines on a weekday needed 8 Class 150/2 sets and 14 sets of first generation DMU; the latter were either 116s or Class 101/108 hybrids. Sundays required 8 Sprinters and 5 of the older units. At this time, it was sometimes necessary to send Valley Lines Sprinters out on the main line to maintain service, so first generation units made up the shortfall. From mid July, the Cardiff DMU allocation regained some Class 155 Super Sprinter units, after the fleet had been taken out of traffic for repairs/revisions to the bodyside doors. As a consequence, the Class 150/2s that had been covering for their absence on longer distance services were able to return to the Valley Lines. A snapshot of the Cardiff Class 116 fleet in July: - C360 53080 - 23122 C362 53086 - 53128 C373 53843 - 53131 C374 53848 - 53887 C375 53855 - 53908 C377 53898 - 53911 C390 - 51128 - 51141 C391 51132 - 51145 C392 51134 - 51147 C393 51135 - 51148 C394 51139 - 51152 C395 51140 - 51153 In July, C375 was noted as having high intensity headlamps fitted. On 11th August C373 vehicles were withdrawn, though 53843 was briefly reinstated for a fortnight in September before finally retiring. September saw sets C360, C374, C377 taken out of traffic. C375 followed them in December. The decline was countered by the transfer to Canton of two Class 116 MBS vehicles from Tyseley in October, namely 51133 and 51136. In addition, sets C390, 391 and 392 were temporarily reformed as three car “go faster” sets and renumbered accordingly. Around this time, C393 had a brief loan to Tyseley and was seen on the Birmingham - Stratford route. Unfortunately, the facility for Cardiff to borrow Tyseley units was no longer available from the latter part of the year. The October snapshot was: C331 51133 - 51136 Both cars were MBS - set later renumbered as “C391” C362 53086 - 53128 Set lasted until withdrawal in January 1990 C375 53855 - 53908 C393 51135 - 51148 C394 51139 - 51152 C395 51140 - 51153 C901 51128 - 53632 (Class 108) - 51141 C902 51132 - 53642 (Class 108) - 51145 C903 53635 (Class 108) - 51134 - 51147 (Originally, 52053 intended as Class 108 vehicle) The October timetable change at Cardiff needed 19 units, comprising Sprinters and conventional sets (2 and 3 car). With C375 withdrawn by the end of December, that meant a fleet of 16 Class 116 vehicles started 1990 at Canton. Eastern Region Heaton held on to its sole Class 116 vehicle, trailer 59040 for the duration of 1989. The other first generation vehicles at the depot during the year were a number of the former Carlisle based Class 108 power trailer sets, which generally remained in fixed formations, and a collection of Class 101 motor coaches with a few 101 Driving Trailers. It follows that the only possible use for 59040 would be as part of a triple set between Class 101 power cars, although the quantity of these reduced during the year and 59040 was recorded as Condemned in October, though not recorded officially as such until May 1990. London Midland Region Newton Heath started 1989 with seven Class 116 vehicles allocated, as part of the 104 first generation DMU vehicles at the depot. A year later and the first generation fleet there would be down to penny numbers. Evidently, the depot was getting to grips with running its fleet of second generation Pacer and Sprinter units. As part of the run-down of the older DMUs, three Class 116 vehicles were transferred to Cardiff Canton on 3rd March, 53843, 53848 and 53887. The other four vehicles were withdrawn 8th March, 53857, 53866, 53869 and 53922. Chester Depot started 1989 with no Class 116 vehicles allocated, however at the beginning of October it gained five triple sets from Tyseley, each formed with two Class 116 Motor Brake Seconds and a lavatory trailer of some other class. The reason quoted in Railway Observer was that this was to ease the maintenance workload at Tyseley. CH334 53054 - 59596 (Class 127) - 53850 CH336 51130 - 59721 (Class 115) - 53849 CH338 53050 - 59722 (Class 115) - 53058 CH340 53826 - 59719 (Class 115) - 53837 CH341 53061 - 59753 (Class 115) - 53079 In each case, the Tyseley set number was retained, so CH334 was T334 and so on. Evidently, Tyseley recovered from the workload problems as all sets returned there on 19th November. Around this time, Tyseley units seemed to appear in locations well beyond the West Midland area, including the Midlands and North Wales, so the allocation to Chester would not have made much difference to their utilisation. Tyseley depot remained the home of the largest collection of Class 116 vehicles on the LM Region, or indeed the whole of BR. 1989 was a relatively quiet year for the fleet. Only one Class 116 vehicle was withdrawn; 59330 had transferred from Scotland in February 1987 and saw limited use thereafter, despite having been stripped of heritage insulation materials. As a non-gangwayed vehicle with no lavatories it was looked upon less favourably than the displaced Class 115 TCL cars that moved to the depot. By early 1988 it had been dumped at Crewe, stored unserviceable. Formal withdrawal came 9th March 1989. Up until the latter part of the year, it was not unknown for Tyseley to help out the Cardiff fleet at times of high demand. In February, hybrid quad sets T405 and T420 ran on the Cardiff valleys while the Welsh Rugby team played Ireland . In March, Wales played England, leading to triple sets T319 and T339 along with hybrid quad sets T414 and T421 helping out in the valleys. After the match, T414 and T421 even worked an additional service to Cheltenham before proceeding home ECS. The Tyseley fleet provided some services in the East Midlands, which included occasions in April when a 3 car 116 set was used on the 07.15 Peterborough - Birmingham service, while from mid May, a pair of hybrid quad T400 units ran the daily "Jolly Fisherman" service from Nuneaton to Skegness and return. The use of Tyseley units on excursions was illustrated on 20th May by T321 forming part of a Birmingham to Butterley working, while T319 was included on an excursion from Longbridge to York. A snapshot of the Tyseley Class 116 fleet at 30th May 1989 shows little change since 1988. (Class 116 vehicles underlined) Suburban lavatory triple T319 51129 - 59756 - 51149 T320 51138 - 59720 - 53890 T321 53854 - 59723 - 53907 T322 53071 - 59760 - 53880 T323 53818 - 59724 - 53093 T324 53053 - 59672 - 53101 T325 53060 - 59757 - 51142 T326 53822 - 59603 - 53881 T327 51071 - 59444 - 51101 Dedicated to Hednesford services Suburban lavatory triple - two brake vans T331 51133 - 59595 - 53090 T332 53865 - 59598 - 53073 T333 53082 - 59617 - 51131 T334 53054 - 59596 - 51136 T335 53844 - 59674 - 53827 T336 53849 - 59721 - 51130 T337 53853 - 59751 - 53838 T338 53050 - 59722 - 53058 T339 53850 - 59670 - 53863 T340 53826 - 59719 - 53837 T341 53061 - 59753 - 53079 T342 53055 - 59673 - 53056 Suburban lavatory quad T401 51662 - 59610 - 59743 - 53886 T402 51851 - 59658 - 59614 - 51146 T403 51852 - 59641 - 59616 - 53106 T404 51853 - 59604 - 59445 - 53919 T405 51877 - 59726 - 59615 - 51143 T406 51856 - 59606 - 59344 - 53893 T407 51858 - 59594 - 59442 - 53916 T408 51859 - 59448 - 59592 - 53114 T409 51860 - 59600 - 59367 - 53894 T410 51862 - 59602 - 59713 - 53124 T411 51865 - 59625 - 59597 - 53873 T412 51867 - 59446 - 59591 - 53102 T413 51868 - 59632 - 59593 - 53902 T414 51869 - 59661 - 59613 - 51144 T415 51870 - 59589 - 59353 - 53921 T416 51876 - 59609 - 59648 - 53891 T417 Not formed T418 51880 - 59643 - 59611 - 53116 T419 51884 - 59629 - 59590 - 51151 T420 51892 - 59607 - 59032 - 53092 T421 51897 - 59741 - 59612 - 53878 T422 51898 - 59608 - 59335 - 53897 Class 116 at works: 53132 Class 116 Condemned: 53825, 59326. The Tyseley fleet of Class 116s had long been associated with “local” services in the West Midlands, either on the Snow Hill routes or the Cross City Line, but in 1989 they had appeared in such diverse places as Hereford, Cardiff, Blackpool, Southport, and Skegness. Not exactly their intended use on intensive suburban services over (relatively) short distances; at least the passengers had access to lavatory facilities. A multi-coloured unit ran in the middle of the year when T341 was formed 53061 - 59753 (Class 115) - 51410 (Class 117); the 116 and 115 vehicles were in the customary blue/grey livery, while 51410 was part of T305 set, the chocolate and cream Class 117 painted specially for "GW150" in 1985. Birmingham is a major crossroads in the rail network, and the Tyseley DMU fleet has often been called on to head off in numerous different directions either on a planned or emergency basis. Examples include T332 working from Birmingham to Exeter vice a failed HST on 3rd August, T412 taking Aston Villa football supporters to Nottingham on 19th August and T339 deputising for a failed Sprinter and going to Cardiff on the Bank Holiday weekend. Also that weekend, T324 got to Ironbridge and T325 was in Llandudno. Railway Observer noted that the Summer timetable no longer relied on any first generation DMUs in North Wales (in theory) - Tyseley sets had been a regular sight there. The biggest disturbances to the status quo at Tyseley occurred on 1st October 1989, when MBS vehicles 51133 and 51136 migrated to Cardiff Canton. In addition, five triple sets were reallocated to Chester to ease the maintenance workload: - CH334 53054 - 59596 (Class 127) - 53850 CH336 51130 - 59721 (Class 115) - 53849 CH338 53050 - 59722 (Class 115) - 53058 CH340 53826 - 59719 (Class 115) - 53837 CH341 53061 - 59753 (Class 115) - 53079 These five sets returned to Tyseley on 19th November, or thereabouts. Also in October T406 and T419 worked an excursion from Longbridge to Blackpool North. As was customary at Tyseley as this time, the so called “fixed” formations underwent a few tweaks, so here is another snapshot dated 4th November (Class 116 vehicles underlined): - Suburban lavatory triple T319 51129 - 59756 - 51149 T320 51138 - 59720 - 53890 T321 53854 - 59723 - 53907 T322 53071 - 59760 - 53880 T323 53818 - 59724 - 53093 T324 53053 - 59672 - 53101 T325 53060 - 59757 - 51142 T326 53822 - 59603 - 53881 T327 53073 - 59595 - 53897 T328 53865 - 59598 - 53873 Suburban lavatory triple - two brake vans T333 53082 - 59617 - 51131 T334 Temporarily at Chester T335 53844 - 59674 - 53827 T336 Temporarily at Chester T337 53853 - 59751 - 53838 T338 Temporarily at Chester T339 53090 - 59670 - 53863 T340 Temporarily at Chester T341 Temporarily at Chester T342 53055 - 59673 - 53056 Suburban lavatory quad T401 51662 - 59610 - 59743 - 53886 T402 51851 - 59658 - 59614 - 51146 T403 51852 - 59641 - 59616 - 53106 T404 51853 - 59726 - 59615 - 53919 T406 51856 - 59606 - 59344 - T407 51858 - 59594 - 59442 - 53916 T408 51859 - 59448 - 59592 - 53114 T409 51860 - 59600 - 59367 - 53894 T410 51862 - 59625 - 59597 - 53124 T412 51867 - 59446 - 59591 - 53102 T413 51868 - 59632 - 59593 - 53902 T414 51869 - 59661 - 59613 - 51144 T415 51870 - 59589 - 59353 - 53921 T416 51876 - 59609 - 59648 - 53891 T417 51877 - 59335 - - 53893 T418 51880 - 59643 - 59608 - 53116 T419 51884 - 59629 - 59590 - 51151 T420 51892 - 59607 - 59032 - 53092 T421 51897 - 59741 - 59612 - 53878 Railway Observer noted that sets T405, 411, 422 had been disbanded with the aim of forming some five car sets for Cross City line, with two power cars and three trailers. In late 1989, it was no longer possible for Tyseley sets to help out in South Wales, but T420 and T421 spent 2nd December on a shopper special excursion to Paddington. By the end of 1989 the Provincial “Sprinter Revolution” had seen completion of deliveries of Class 155 and 156 Super Sprinters (though with the 155s having some time out of service), while the Class 158 Sprinter Express units were just starting to appear. The remaining Class 116 vehicles were plying their trade on suburban services in the Cardiff Valleys, in the West Midlands and to a small extent in the London area, while the Tyseley based fleet also travelled to much more far-flung places. To conclude the story of 1989, I will summarise transfers and withdrawals for the year: - Transferred Newton Heath to Cardiff 3rd March: 53843 53848 53887 Transferred Tyseley to Cardiff 1st October 51133 51136 Transferred Tyseley to Chester 1st October then transferred back to Tyseley 19th November: 53050 53054 53058 53061 53079 53826 53837 53849 53850 51130 Withdrawals: 53080 Cardiff 21st September 53089 Cardiff 20th July 53122 Cardiff 21st September 53131 Cardiff 11th August 53843 Cardiff 11th August (Reinstated 9th September, final withdrawal 21st September) 53848 Cardiff 21st September 53855 Cardiff 12th December 53857 Newton Heath 8th March 53858 Cardiff 21st September 53866 Newton Heath 8th March 53869 Newton Heath 8th March 53887 Cardiff 21st September 53908 Cardiff 12th December 53911 Cardiff 21st September 53922 Newton Heath 8th March 59040 Heaton 7th October (Not formally withdrawn until 10th May 1990) 59330 Tyseley 9th March Edited 15 hours ago by EddieK Further additional details from RO magazine 3 1 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted January 8 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 8 I have just read Eddie's list and saw the Tyseley formations. Also today Youtube suggest I watched this. Enjoy. 7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted January 9 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 9 I must watch that tomorrow. My parents lived about 1/4 mile from Kings Norton station after Dad retired and were regular travellers from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) I'm not sure if this clip by former Canton manager Ian Walmsley has been linked to the thread previously. . But, it's well worth a watch.............. especially for the closing tune, Dr. Joseph Parry's beautiful tale of unrequited love - "Myfanwy" - something that brings a tear to every Welshman's eye. . . Edited January 9 by br2975 12 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 1990 The year saw the remaining Class 116 vehicles continue to go about their daily duties without too much fuss and with relatively little upheaval. These were allocated to Old Oak Common, Cardiff Canton and Tyseley depots, and those at the latter depot were notable for being spread over a wide area, well beyond their traditional haunts centred on the City of Birmingham. An indication of the relative stability of the fleet in this year was that there were no inter-depot transfers of 116s, and only ten vehicles withdrawn, although one returned to traffic early in 1991. However, the formations of the sets contains Class 116 vehicles were not always static. The wider fleet of DMUs on British Rail had already gained Pacers, Sprinters and Super Sprinters, with Class 158 Sprinter Express units entering service during the year. Western Region Old Oak Common retained two Class 116 MBS vehicles (shown underlined) for use on Thames Valley branch lines and Gospel Oak to Barking services. At the beginning of the year, they were formed : - L210 53083 - 54289 Gangwayed set with Class 121 DTS vehicle. L705 53820 - 51319 Gangwayed power twin with Class 118 MS vehicle In June, the situation was unchanged, and by October set L705 had become L745, but with no other changes. Cardiff Canton began the year with its small fleet (Class 116 underlined) formed as below: - C362 53086 - 53128 Set withdrawn by end January. C393 51135 - 51148 C394 51139 - 51152 C395 51140 - 51153 C901 51128 - 53632 - 51141 C902 53642 - 51132 - 51145 C903 51134 - 52053 - 51147 C904 51133 - 52059 - 51136 Two brake vans The C900 series units were Class 116 power twin units augmented with Class 108 Motor Composites (downgraded to Motor Seconds). Although this would have augmented seating capacity and provided a lavatory without blunting performance, through access between all vehicles would not have been possible as the middle vehicle had a cab at one end. A visit to Cardiff in April found C902 running as a power twin with 51416 (Class 108) and 51145. The same day, I found C396 set formed 51133 - 52053 (Class 108). Records for May/June 1990 show (Class 116 underlined): - C390 51132 - 51145 C391 51128 - 51141 C392 51134 - 51147 C393 51135 - 51148 C394 51139 - 51152 C395 51140 - 51153 C397 51133 - 59248 - 51136 Three brake vans. As can be seen, the situation for Canton’s Class 116s was a far cry from the stability and fixed set formations prevalent until the mid 1980s. Eastern Region Heaton still showed Class 116 trailer 59040 on its allocation until withdrawn in May 1990, but it is believed that the vehicle had been withdrawn from traffic in 1989. London Midland Region The Tyseley Class 116 fleet began the year with vehicles formed in three different types of unit: - 116 Motor Brake Second - Suburban Lavatory Trailer (not 116) - 116 Motor Second 116 Motor Brake Second - Suburban Lavatory Trailer (not 116) - 116 Motor Brake Second Hybrid Suburban 4-car with 115 Motor Brake Second and 116 Motor Second As in previous years, these units remained a staple of local services on Birmingham’s Cross City Line, the Stratford and Leamington lines and services from Birmingham to Kidderminster and beyond. In addition, they appeared further afield, with sightings in Llandudno, Derby and Nottingham, and even substituting for a Class 156 Super Sprinter between Liverpool and Ipswich! During the year, the Provincial Sector of British Rail was adding Class 158 Sprinter Express units to its fleet of Sprinter and Pacer units. As has sometimes been the case with new fleets on BR, the 158s were not working as well as they should have done, if they had even been delivered. As a consequence, the new Provincial Sector services with their new DMUs were somewhat in disarray. The name “Sprinter” alluded to the rapid acceleration of the new units, and the new timetables were relying on these levels of performance. With the shortfall of new units available, Tyseley depot had to bolster the Provincial Sector’s DMU fleet, which included the use of Class 116 units. The typical three car Class 116 units at the depot were nowhere near able to provide the rapid levels of acceleration demanded by the timetable. They were long underframe vehicles, so heavier than short frame types like Classes 101 and 108. The services planned for Sprinter operation were typically long distance, so some form of lavatory provision was required, which the Class 116 three car sets could offer, but at the expense of dragging 30 tons of unpowered centre car around. The stock of remaining first generation DMUs was searched and some Class 101 Motor Composites (downgraded to Motor Seconds) with Lavatory were identified and sent to Tyseley to permit the formation of hybrid units that could keep up with Sprinter timings and that could offer sufficient seats and a lavatory. In May 1990, the following hybrid sets appeared, each formed of a Class 116 Motor Brake (underlined) and a 101 Motor Second. T031 53827 - 53245 T032 53844 - 53242 T033 53849 - 53269 T034 51130 - 53244 T035 53850 - 51533 T036 53054 - 51496 T037 53853 - 51511 T038 53838 - 51808 T039 53079 - 53746 T040 53061 - 51505 T041 53090 - 53268 T042 53863 - 51509 T043 53826 - 53171 T044 53837 - 51513 Although some of these sets remained stable during the year, a few were reformed. In addition, some Class 108 Motor Composites (downgraded to Motor Second) had joined the fleet. A survey in October 1990 found: - T031 53827 - 53644 (Class 108) T034 51130 - 51496 (Class 101 that had been in T036, see below) T036 Disbanded, set T319 formed 53054 - 59756 (Class 115) - 51129 T041 - as May 1990 T043 - as May 1990 A further survey in November 1990 found: - T037 - as May 1990 T040 - as May 1990 T042 - as May 1990 T044 53837 - 53636 (Class 108) A new set T045 had been formed: 53058 - 53641 (Class 108) For completeness, here is a November snapshot of the Tyseley Class 116 vehicles (underlined) formed in three and four car units: - T300 series: Class 116 MBS - Suburban Trailer with lavatory - Class 116 MS T319 51129 - 59756 - 51149 T320 51138 - 59512 - 53890 T321 53854 - 59723 - 53907 T322 53071 - 59611 - 53880 T323 53818 - 59670 - 53093 T324 53053 - 59672 - 53101 T325 53060 - 59757 - 51142 T326 53822 - 59668 - 53881 T400 series: Class 115 MBS - (two suburban trailers, one with lavatory) - Class 116 MS T401 51662 - 59743 - 59610 - 53886 T402 51851 - 59614 - 59658 - 51146 T403 51852 - 59641 - 59616 - 53106 T404 51854 - 59615 - 59726 - 51143 T406 51856 - 59344 - 59598 - 53102 T407 51858 - 59442 - 59594 - 53916 T408 51859 - 59643 - 59617 - 53902 T409 51860 - 59600 - 59367 - 53894 T410 51862 - 59602 - 59713 - 53124 T411 51865 - 59597 - 59625 - 53873 T412 51867 - 59446 - 59591 - 53116 T414 51869 - 59661 - 59613 - 51144 T415 51870 - 59589 - 59353 - 53921 T416 51876 - 59609 - 59648 - 53891 T417 51877 - 59335 - 59603 - 53897 T419 51884 - 59629 - 59608 - 51151 T420 51892 - 59032 - 59607 - 53092 T421 51897 - 59741 - 59612 - 53878 (The Tyseley fleet was described as being “in a state of flux” at the time of this list….) Class 116 Withdrawals 51131 TS 7/12/90 (Reinstated 2/2/91) 53056 TS 13/10/90 (Official w/d date 7/12/90) 53082 TS 4/12/90 53086 CF 26/1/90 53128 CF 24/1/90 53844 TS 12/12/90 53880 TS 4/12/90 53893 TS 12/9/90 59040 HT 10/5/90 (Believe already w/d by this date) 59444 TS 17/7/90 59448 TS 11/6/90 In addition, on 10/11/90, three vehicles were placed in “PXXZ” sector but remained in use: 53132, 53854, 53907. 6 2 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted Saturday at 10:24 Share Posted Saturday at 10:24 The 1988 instalment has been revisited and further information added.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago The 1989 story has just been tweaked slightly. Plodding through with extra stuff with 1990 to follow shortly. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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