Garry Morris Posted May 23, 2015 Author Share Posted May 23, 2015 It's the view from the over bridge on the Newton Abbot to Kingsteignton road looking towards the Heathfield direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 It's the view from the over bridge on the Newton Abbot to Kingsteignton road looking towards the Heathfield direction. The 1977 TOPS Location handbook shows it as 83619 - Teignbridge Siding - customer Watts Blake Bearne cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted May 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2015 Teignbridge Siding - customer Watts Blake Bearne Interestingly there was a slight frisson of excitement a few years ago, when there was a vague hint (no more) that the connection may have needed to be retained. Sadly this did not come to anything. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Paignton - down market? Surely not! Although it caters more to the bucket and spade and kiss me quick brigade with its arcades and snack bars, a lot of Paigntonions (?) might disagree. Its once snobby neighbour, Torquay, now has its share of 'down market' visitors nowadays. Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted May 24, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 24, 2015 Paignton - down market? Sorry Brian, perhaps things have changed... it's certainly not a particularly 'wholesome' place at certain times of the day/year... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 While in the area. how did the coal from Kingswear get to the gasworks between regular passenger services? It must have been a slow trip through Greenaway tunnel and up the hill to Churston. Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Garry Morris Posted May 28, 2015 Author Popular Post Share Posted May 28, 2015 While in the area. how did the coal from Kingswear get to the gasworks between regular passenger services? It must have been a slow trip through Greenaway tunnel and up the hill to Churston. Brian. Thankyou brianusa. I was wondering where to go next! Here is the coal loading wharves at Kingswear. Although it looks to the contrary they were still in active use when this was taken. (63-65?) This is not my negative. I have no record if I have copyright but whoever took this did us a great favour! Diesel era shots of Kingswear are like gold dust and one with two loco's present virtually unheard of. There is so much of interest in this picture with the cranes and shipping of the day, carriages being cleaned and the whole scene is a modellers delight. D862 Viking on A Paddington portion? Can anyone shed any light on the other loco - NBL or Swindon?. The chocolate and cream coach proves that set rakes of this livery were being split up, this dates the shot as later than 1960. Interesting use of the coal loading sidings as carriage sidings. Maybe this is a summer Saturday and wagons had been cleared away. A similar angled photo appears in Diesel Pioneers Vol1 for comparison. 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianusa Posted May 28, 2015 Share Posted May 28, 2015 Possibly the six carriages are to be tacked on another up country train after the window washer is through. Brian. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 Possibly the six carriages are to be tacked on another up country train after the window washer is through. Brian. It looks as though the six coaches are part of the same rake as the ones on the adjacent siding with the Warship at the head, the sidings not being long enough to take all the vehicles on one track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Kris Posted May 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2015 It looks as though the six coaches are part of the same rake as the ones on the adjacent siding with the Warship at the head, the sidings not being long enough to take all the vehicles on one track. I would agree with this as it looks like there is only a single brake coach in those six, which would have been unusual at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted May 29, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 29, 2015 It looks as though the six coaches are part of the same rake as the ones on the adjacent siding with the Warship at the head, the sidings not being long enough to take all the vehicles on one track. Wasn't 2C90 the headcode for Kingswear - Newton Abbot locals, which would be more consistent with a short rake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 Motorail Devon was quite a hotspot for Motorail trains in the 60's and 70's. They sometimes originated from locations that no other trains came from like Sutton Coldfield, Kensington Olympia, Stirling and Inverness. Loadings could be up to 20 bogies by far the heaviest passenger trains to regularly enter Devon. Newton Abbot was the main destination in Devon but there was also a small somewhat makeshift terminal at Totnes which required loading from the actual platform. Not sure of the origin of this picture or why everyone drove a white mini! Glorious Devon with our own special 'Liquid Sunshine'! 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Motorail Devon was quite a hotspot for Motorail trains in the 60's and 70's. They sometimes originated from locations that no other trains came from like Sutton Coldfield, Kensington Olympia, Stirling and Inverness. Loadings could be up to 20 bogies by far the heaviest passenger trains to regularly enter Devon. Newton Abbot was the main destination in Devon but there was also a small somewhat makeshift terminal at Totnes which required loading from the actual platform. Not sure of the origin of this picture or why everyone drove a white mini! Glorious Devon with our own special 'Liquid Sunshine'! Marvellous! I wonder if we are seeing three minis in a row as they have been deliberately loaded together, would you get five of them on a motorail wagon? That might be important if the train was fully booked, it would help to make use of all available space. cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Marvellous! I wonder if we are seeing three minis in a row as they have been deliberately loaded together, would you get five of them on a motorail wagon? That might be important if the train was fully booked, it would help to make use of all available space. cheers Given the Mini was about 10' long, a careful loader might get six, if the wagon was one of the 64'6" ones..In the days when I worked on the trains at Eurotunnel, I wondered why I had trouble closing the rear fire-barriers on a wagon; when I counted, I'd already got six Mini-sized cars on board, and was trying to load a seventh. The wagons were meant to carry five.. That's the first time I've seen loading via the sides on that type of wagon; what would the ramp have been like, and how would it have been manoeuvred? It looks as though it would be quite substantial. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) Side loading when on at a number of WR Motorail stations and was quite an interesting process. At Reading a converted Plate wagon was used to attach the ramp - very interesting when loading a Triumph 2000! I think the ramps were 'man portable' - but it took several men to move them. Edited June 1, 2015 by The Stationmaster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 To continue the theme (sorry no diesel again!), more WR Motorail taken from the back window of the train? Source unknown; maybe the owner of the 'Singer' took it! Humber Singer? The Dawlish outer home signal in the background means it must be the last of the shorter tunnels in the Down direction. Fully booked! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 To continue the theme (sorry no diesel again!), more WR Motorail taken from the back window of the train? Source unknown; maybe the owner of the 'Singer' took it! Humber Singer? The Dawlish outer home signal in the background means it must be the last of the shorter tunnels in the Down direction. Fully booked! Looking at some of those cars, you can see the attraction of taking the train down; you'd spend the first two days of your holiday sitting on rubber rings... That first car is a Singer Gazelle, I believe; unlike the African beast it was named for, however, it was neither light nor fast. We had one in the mid 1980s, with the special 'rust-lightened' bodywork, which probably gave us an extra 5mph; the whole car was a crumple zone. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Freight In The Diesel Era There is a diesel in this picture but it is attached to a lorry! Sorry to the loco followers out there but I found this shot of a minor clay siding of WBB and went back to check the scene last year and began to doubt that I was in the same location! I As I remember the lorry proceeded to load the hopper shortly after I took the shot by tipping it's load from above the wagon. Somewhat quaint in today's world of bulk! There looks to be a clay slurry tanker (Crossfield?) behind the hopper. Taken 22.3.84. Definitely a victory for nature! The hopper looks like one of the unique batch of wagons built by Standard in 1971 introduced for BP salt traffic which then went into various traffics as PG002D. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bpchemicalpga Paul 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted June 1, 2015 Author Share Posted June 1, 2015 I believe that the clay from Newton Abbot is known as Ball Clay as opposed to China Clay. Perhaps this necessitated a different kind of wagon. I would be surprised if it was being used for salt. I must admit I thought that it was a standard clay wagon but on closer inspection it definitely looks different. Thanks for posting the link. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted June 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 1, 2015 The Ball Clay Heritage Society has some interesting info on their website. Ball clays are finer grains than china clay and better for pottery / ceramic products as they are 'plastic' - easily shaped. The usual method of processing & shipping is in shredded form which is about 15-20% moisture, with about 10% of production as dried powder and 15% refined (mixed) slurry. I presume the slurry version would go in tanks (the traffic from Quidhampton in Dorset went in 'silver buillets' until relatively recently I believe) so the Crossfield tank in the photo would have been for slurry; presumably the hopper would be for 'shredded' lumps. The dried powder product was usually bagged & palletised. I've seen photos of air & vaccum braked vans at Heathfield which might have been for that traffic - having looked, one of the photos also shows the same sort of hopper as Paul's link above. Interestingly there's a photo on 'Cyberheritage' North Devon site of HAA and HBA hoppers at Barnstaple in 1977 for trial on clay traffic (from Meeth) - that obviously didn't go ahead & the Meeth line eventually closed in 1982, but it's interesting that some more modern hoppers did get into clay use in south Devon. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The Ball Clay Heritage Society has some interesting info on their website. Ball clays are finer grains than china clay and better for pottery / ceramic products as they are 'plastic' - easily shaped. The usual method of processing & shipping is in shredded form which is about 15-20% moisture, with about 10% of production as dried powder and 15% refined (mixed) slurry. I presume the slurry version would go in tanks (the traffic from Quidhampton in Dorset went in 'silver buillets' until relatively recently I believe) so the Crossfield tank in the photo would have been for slurry; presumably the hopper would be for 'shredded' lumps. The dried powder product was usually bagged & palletised. I've seen photos of air & vaccum braked vans at Heathfield which might have been for that traffic - having looked, one of the photos also shows the same sort of hopper as Paul's link above. Interestingly there's a photo on 'Cyberheritage' North Devon site of HAA and HBA hoppers at Barnstaple in 1977 for trial on clay traffic (from Meeth) - that obviously didn't go ahead & the Meeth line eventually closed in 1982, but it's interesting that some more modern hoppers did get into clay use in south Devon. Quidhampton produced calcium carbonate (chalk) slurry, rather than ball clay; like china-clay slurry, it was used as a 'filler' in paper and board manufacture. Outside of the Devon exposures, the other main source of ball clays was in Dorset, at Furzebrook on the Swanage branch. This sent clay to the Potteries in 'Tiger Rail' hoppers until the 1990s. Ball clay is used for the 'body' of earthenware and other ceramics; kaolin is used for the finer ware, and for glazes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted June 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 2, 2015 I wonder if we are seeing three minis in a row as they have been deliberately loaded together 'The Italian Job' starting their journey by train... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 (edited) The hopper looks like one of the unique batch of wagons built by Standard in 1971 introduced for BP salt traffic which then went into various traffics as PG002D. http://paulbartlett.zenfolio.com/bpchemicalpga Paul Good spot Paul, among your photos PR8212 and PR8245 are taken at Mossend and your caption states they were working Newton Abbot - Mossend. Paul Shannons book 'Rail freight since 1968 - Wagonload' has lists of Speedlink traffic in 1990-91 which includes Newton Abbot - Mossend, and Warrington (possibly Crosfields?) edit - and in 'The Freight only Yearbook' No.1 by Rhodes and Shannon there is a photo taken at Teignbridge in 1989, 37670 hauls a PBA for Mossend, two empty PGAs to detach at Teignbridge and a ferry van for Dover, cheers Edited June 2, 2015 by Rivercider 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry Morris Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 Combining the theme of Motorail and freight! 45020 (D26) 3rd April 1984 near Stoneycombe with a trip working. One Motorail flat along with three Bitumen tanks? I would imagine heading for Exmouth Junction repair shops eventually as it seems an eclectic mix which I would like to run on my model railway if only someone would make the Motorail flats! The 45 has come a long way from heading up 'The Thames Clyde Express' which was in it's heyday.Thanks for all the comeback on the Heathfield wagon, fascinating what stories lie within old pictures, Just found the thread on the Barnstaple line under the 'Prototype' section of RMweb. It brought back a lot of memories as I used to Secondman on the Barnstaple line in the seventies. I remember well the early morning papers turn up to Barnstaple and working out to Meeth. Never shunted Lapford though. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted June 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 2, 2015 Combining the theme of Motorail and freight! 45020 (D26) 3rd April 1984 near Stoneycombe with a trip working. One Motorail flat along with three Bitumen tanks? When I started reading your post, I was half expecting you to suggest refueling the cars on route... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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