MikeOxon Posted July 28, 2022 Share Posted July 28, 2022 19 hours ago, mswjr said: lining a 4mm gresley coach part 2 - YouTube Have a look at this it is very good and may help. I inherited a ruling pen and had no idea how to use it. The video is very helpful and i shall try it out for myself. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted August 1, 2022 Share Posted August 1, 2022 @Mikkel I have used retarder medium from Vallejo with unthinned paints and it seems to work ok through the 0.25mm easi liner nib in terms of flow, although as you have seen the line width is still quite wide. I don’t trust myself to trace panels at velocity (vs. Against a ruler) 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 On 01/08/2022 at 19:57, Lacathedrale said: @Mikkel I have used retarder medium from Vallejo with unthinned paints and it seems to work ok through the 0.25mm easi liner nib in terms of flow, although as you have seen the line width is still quite wide. I don’t trust myself to trace panels at velocity (vs. Against a ruler) Very interested to read this William, as I didn't know Vallejo made a retarder. Anything that slows drying time is helpful in this sort of work I've found. I learned to use linseed oil as an additive to enamel and it helped enomously. Looking at other commercially available retarders, there seem to be plenty for acrylics but I can only find one for enamel, VMS's Slow-Mo Drying REtarder Medium: have you ever used that and if so, how did you find it performed? 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 I have steered very well clear of enamels since I was a teenager except for live steam where it's a much more industrial affair. I have recently tried out a fine tipped dip pen and found the results very satisfying, generally finer and at least as easy as easi-liner - notes in my workbench thread shortly. 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted August 2, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2022 19 minutes ago, Lacathedrale said: I have steered very well clear of enamels since I was a teenager except for live steam where it's a much more industrial affair. I have recently tried out a fine tipped dip pen and found the results very satisfying, generally finer and at least as easy as easi-liner - notes in my workbench thread shortly. Thanks William - I thought that might be the case from your workbench thread but thought I'd ask nevertheless, in case you'd tried it at some point. Retarders - of any description - don't seem to be very widely used, do they? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 They tend to be used by artists working in acrylic to increase the amount of time available for working the colours and blending on the canvas. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted August 2, 2022 Share Posted August 2, 2022 15 minutes ago, MrWolf said: They tend to be used by artists working in acrylic to increase the amount of time available for working the colours and blending on the canvas. Or people using dip pens who don't want the paint to dry on the nib? :) 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted August 3, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2022 Been away so have only sneak peeked at the discussion but now up to speed, some very intersting options, thanks. I just had a look at artist's dip pens and am pleasantly surprised at the variety and resonable prices (though I suppose you get what you pay for). I had assumed they were a more exclusive thing by now. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandc_au Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Lacathedrale said: - notes in my workbench thread shortly. For those of us who may be unfamiliar with your wb thread....could you post alink please? Khris 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Mikkel said: Been away so have only sneak peeked at the discussion but now up to speed, some very intersting options, thanks. I just had a look at artist's dip pens and am pleasantly surprised at the variety and resonable prices (though I suppose you get what you pay for). I had assumed they were a more exclusive thing by now. The Easi-liner handle fits dip pen nibs , so you just need the nibs. I lost out by a few pennies on a box of mixed vintage nibs which would have been fun to experiment with but the one I have seems to be fairly decent: 5 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 2 hours ago, kandc_au said: For those of us who may be unfamiliar with your wb thread....could you post alink please? Khris Hi Khris, it's in my signature:, but here's a link to my first efforts: 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted August 3, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2022 18 hours ago, MrWolf said: They tend to be used by artists working in acrylic to increase the amount of time available for working the colours and blending on the canvas. Ah, I understand. That's not a million miles away from why I looked into retarders - it was to increase the drying time when filling in the boundaries of rectangles with a ruling pen by blending multiple parallel touching lines together. Two or three sides at a time were fine, but I had problems trying to join the end of the fourth side to the start of the first one... 3 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 Because of the tiny amount of paint you are using, by the time you have returned to your starting point, that area of paint has already begun to dry (or "flash off" in the case of cellulose etc) and a seamless join/ blend is very tricky. A retardant prevents this happening so visibly. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted August 3, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2022 18 hours ago, MrWolf said: They tend to be used by artists working in acrylic to increase the amount of time available for working the colours and blending on the canvas. 18 hours ago, Lacathedrale said: Or people using dip pens who don't want the paint to dry on the nib? :) Or people spraying acrylics and wanting to stave off tip drying. 5 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 3 minutes ago, 57xx said: Or people spraying acrylics and wanting to stave off tip drying. Ouch. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitpw Posted August 3, 2022 Share Posted August 3, 2022 8 hours ago, Lacathedrale said: The Easi-liner handle fits dip pen nibs , so you just need the nibs. https://www.jacksonsart.com/search/?p=1&q=dip+pen+nibs There are 4 pages of nibs and other dip pen equipment listed on Jackson's site. I use Jacksons because a) they are local and I can go there and look and b) because they are very pleasant and helpful and c) because there is a cafe over the road from their shop which serves the best espresso this side of Milan - you don't get that online. (The "ballpointed" nibs work well on hand painted surfaces). 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chas Levin Posted August 3, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, MrWolf said: Because of the tiny amount of paint you are using, by the time you have returned to your starting point, that area of paint has already begun to dry (or "flash off" in the case of cellulose etc) and a seamless join/ blend is very tricky. A retardant prevents this happening so visibly. Absolutely! however, if you're using enamel, I can recommend linseed oil (not the boiled type); I used a 5% addition and it worked very well. Less than that produced too little effect, more lengthened drying time more than necessary and delayed final curing. It does change the finish however - matt moves towards satin and satin moves towards gloss... 3 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbrummitt Posted September 8, 2022 Share Posted September 8, 2022 On 03/08/2022 at 17:23, kitpw said: https://www.jacksonsart.com/search/?p=1&q=dip+pen+nibs There are 4 pages of nibs and other dip pen equipment listed on Jackson's site. I use Jacksons because a) they are local and I can go there and look and b) because they are very pleasant and helpful and c) because there is a cafe over the road from their shop which serves the best espresso this side of Milan - you don't get that online. (The "ballpointed" nibs work well on hand painted surfaces). Most interested in c, When I looked up Jackson’s art supplies there are three results, 2 in London and the site at Putney Bridge looks like it has several ’coffee‘ places on the opposite side of the road. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitpw Posted September 10, 2022 Share Posted September 10, 2022 On 08/09/2022 at 20:41, richbrummitt said: Most interested in c, When I looked up Jackson’s art supplies there are three results, 2 in London and the site at Putney Bridge looks like it has several ’coffee‘ places on the opposite side of the road. ...'c' is for coffee. Try 'Doctor Espresso' at 3 Station Approach - seen here in Google street view: (View is approx south to north) Putney Bridge station on the right of picture - Jacksons are in the arches under the metalwork platform support in the right background. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 I have used an old fashioned mapping pen with enamels and acrylics. adding a drop or two of lighter fluid to the enamels helps flow and slows drying(as per easiliner instructions) just water added to the acrylics does the same job but Vallejo acrylic thinners ia better. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2022 1 hour ago, robert17649 said: I have used an old fashioned mapping pen with enamels and acrylics. adding a drop or two of lighter fluid to the enamels helps flow and slows drying(as per Easiliner instructions) just water added to the acrylics does the same job but Vallejo acrylic thinners is better. There are two types of acrylic paints. Some are alcohol based (Tamiya, Vallejo) and some are water based (Humbrol, Revell). Isopon alcohol also makes a good thinners. You should not use water to thin out alcohol based acrylics. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Andy Hayter Posted September 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2022 31 minutes ago, PhilJ W said: You should not use water to thin out alcohol based acrylics. Why? I have successfully done it for scenic work. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 12, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2022 2 minutes ago, Andy Hayter said: Why? I have successfully done it for scenic work. That was the advice many years ago when acrylics were 'new'. IIRC it was something to do with drying times. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penlan Posted September 12, 2022 Share Posted September 12, 2022 The 'dipping' pen nib I used for many years in lettering PO wagons was the Gillott's '303' nib. The main thing was to have a proper sized holder, something easy to grip, not some slim-line affair like they sell as mapping pens holders. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Mikkel Posted September 14, 2022 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted September 14, 2022 (edited) On 12/09/2022 at 10:22, PhilJ W said: There are two types of acrylic paints. Some are alcohol based (Tamiya, Vallejo) and some are water based (Humbrol, Revell). Isopon alcohol also makes a good thinners. You should not use water to thin out alcohol based acrylics. Hi Phil, as I understand it, the Vallejo Model Color and Model Air ranges are water-based (see here and here). I always thin the Vallejo Model Color paints with waters and get good results. However, some other paints in the range do seem to be alcohol-based, which I didn't know - e.g. some of the metallics, see here. Edited September 14, 2022 by Mikkel 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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