RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2017 I think it was a contributor on the SEmG forum who, intentionally or not, spelt it 'malashite'. New thread title ? :jester: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 For those still searching for an MN, in whatever shade of green it is, Monk Bar Models in York had both Flannel Jacket and Royal Mail in their display cabinet this afternoon. http://www.monkbarmodelshop.co.uk/ no connection other than a long standing satisfied customer, and looking to save people from having to trawl eBay! I was VERY tempted, but fear it would be a waste for me, nice as they are. Like many, in waiting for a BR blue one! I wonder if the shade will match the blue they used on the rebuilt CanPac! Another can of worms possibly! Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 For those still searching for an MN, in whatever shade of green it is, Monk Bar Models in York had both Flannel Jacket and Royal Mail in their display cabinet this afternoon. http://www.monkbarmodelshop.co.uk/ no connection other than a long standing satisfied customer, and looking to save people from having to trawl eBay! I was VERY tempted, but fear it would be a waste for me, nice as they are. Like many, in waiting for a BR blue one! I wonder if the shade will match the blue they used on the rebuilt CanPac! Another can of worms possibly! Cheers J If Hornby uses the blue that was used on the King, it would not be good. IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2017 What was wrong with the Blue in the King? Looked pretty good to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2017 Here we go..... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 If Hornby uses the blue that was used on the King, it would not be good. IMHO. What was wrong with the Blue in the King? Looked pretty good to me. Here we go..... Even if they used the same shade of blue as used on the King on a future MN the eye will perceive it as being different due to the flat sided nature of the MN and also the horizontal lining. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 What was wrong with the Blue in the King? Looked pretty good to me. IMHO it’s too pale. It isn’t a ghastly colour like the green, so there hasn’t been much (or any) fuss about it. Perhaps to be truly authentic, it should be a patchwork of differently faded blues. LOL I posted the following link before and observe that the size of the locomotives in some shots and on the television screen is not much different from that of 00 scale models. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFA3z_d_iio Of course, the Sun makes the top of the boilers look much lighter than the bottoms, the image has been hacked about, processed, transmitted and so on and I make the big assumption that the preservationists have got it right. In addition, Graham Muz makes the valid point about the flat-sided nature of the MN. A shade on a cylindrical boiler might not bother people but on a flat-sided model might cause some uneasy shifting in armchairs. Humble apologies to John Upton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 IMHO it’s too pale. It isn’t a ghastly colour like the green, so there hasn’t been much (or any) fuss about it. Perhaps to be truly authentic, it should be a patchwork of differently faded blues. LOL I posted the following link before and observe that the size of the locomotives in some shots and on the television screen is not much different from that of 00 scale models. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFA3z_d_iio Of course, the Sun makes the top of the boilers look much lighter than the bottoms, the image has been hacked about, processed, transmitted and so on and I make the big assumption that the preservationists have got it right. In addition, Graham Muz makes the valid point about the flat-sided nature of the MN. A shade on a cylindrical boiler might not bother people but on a flat-sided model might cause some uneasy shifting in armchairs. Humble apologies to John Upton. The reason BR blue was discarded in any case was that it did not "wear" well and faded.There were also several locos that carried it.In effect that meant that there was more than one shade of the colour on the BR regions at any given time.Thus Hornby is on the proverbial hiding to nothing in attempting to recreate it in 4mm form. In the early 50's I spotted a good many 8P locos,Kings among them. I have no issue with the rendering they present....unlike some of their green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) In my mind, if anything, I would say the BR blue on Hornby is a tad too dark, especially if I were to give it gloss coat of varnish like the real engine. The malachite matches previous locos Hornby have done, and I don,t remember seeing this remarked upon before as being wrong. The thicker yellow lining can affect perception though. Paint colour is going to be subjective, depending on eyesight and how the mind interprets it. And whether or not we are viewing the item under daylight (rare in a railway room) or artificial. Personally, I see no great concern here, but that is my perception. Edited March 21, 2017 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrestburyJack Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is the brake rodding glued in place or just a 'push fit'? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Is the brake rodding glued in place or just a 'push fit'? Thanks I would say very lightly glued looking at mine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 I would say very lightly glued looking at mine. It was rising and falling with the motion on mine. Heavier glue required. It is rather delicate; please don’t ask Hamfist here how I know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 In my mind, if anything, I would say the BR blue on Hornby is a tad too dark, especially if I were to give it gloss coat of varnish like the real engine. image.jpg The malachite matches previous locos Hornby have done, and I don,t remember seeing this remarked upon before as being wrong. The thicker yellow lining can affect perception though. image.jpg Paint colour is going to be subjective, depending on eyesight and how the mind interprets it. And whether or not we are viewing the item under daylight (rare in a railway room) or artificial. Personally, I see no great concern here, but that is my perception. Curious. Your photograph looks darker than my “Tricky Dicky II” and rather good looking too. I think I shall retreat back into the hole from which I unwisely emerged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 The reason BR blue was discarded in any case was that it did not "wear" well and faded.There were also several locos that carried it.In effect that meant that there was more than one shade of the colour on the BR regions at any given time.Thus Hornby is on the proverbial hiding to nothing in attempting to recreate it in 4mm form. In the early 50's I spotted a good many 8P locos,Kings among them. I have no issue with the rendering they present....unlike some of their green. I remember reading, years ago, that the Southern Region tried out two different shades of blue, each with different lining and hence identifiable even in b&w pictures. My customary mode of transport at the time was a pram, so don't expect eye-witness testimony from me. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 I remember reading, years ago, that the Southern Region tried out two different shades of blue, each with different lining and hence identifiable even in b&w pictures. My customary mode of transport at the time was a pram, so don't expect eye-witness testimony from me. John At that time there were more shades of blue/purple/green and black than most of us had eaten hot dinners....some of it entitled experimental..Decoding paint shades after nearly 70 years is akin to finding a hen's tooth. Won't stop us trying though...Cheers! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaymzHatstand Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Ooooops! I didn't mean to start another colour war! I agree with Graham that the shape of the loco will have a big influence over the perceived shade, so it's going to be a case of wait and see, if indeed they do appear (and I'd be surprised if they didn't!) The blue on the rebuilt CanPac that I have is a decent match for the railmatch BR stream loco blue, the latter being just a touch darker. Cheers J Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) A blue 35020 Bibby Line at the top of this page on David Hey's collection - http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page30.htm The picture is 60+ years old so it's sometimes difficult to say how representative the colour is, especially as the negative/slide has been scanned plus your own PC's display are involved. And also 35027 at Victoria about half-way down - http://www.semgonline.com/steam/mn_01.html But now a bit shabby - https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/6242947069 Edited March 21, 2017 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) The blue on the rebuilt CanPac that I have is a decent match for the railmatch BR stream loco blue, the latter being just a touch darker. Cheers J Unless it was a wind-up, IIRC from stuff in the magazines at the time, the blue on the real thing was supplied by Railmatch. Presumably not in 2oz jars, though. John Edited March 21, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 (edited) A blue 35020 Bibby Line at the top of this page on David Hey's collection - http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page30.htm The picture is 60+ years old so it's sometimes difficult to say how representative the colour is, especially as the negative/slide has been scanned plus your own PC's display are involved. And also 35027 at Victoria about half-way down - http://www.semgonline.com/steam/mn_01.html But now a bit shabby - https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/6242947069 And assuming it was on Kodachrome to start with. Hopefully the errors introduced in transcribing between formats largely balance each other out. Even eye-witness opinions depend on the reporter having perfect colour vision (then and now) and a damned good memory so it's best not to get passionate about it. Hornby will, I suspect, get it pretty close and, if they go a tad on the light side to allow for prototypically rapid fading and a touch of the "scale colour" phenomenon, it should be OK with me. Too dark is the danger to be avoided IMHO. Interesting how the different camera angles and incidence of light change ones perception on the first two liked shots. John Edited March 21, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 A blue 35020 Bibby Line at the top of this page on David Hey's collection - http://www.davidheyscollection.com/page30.htm The picture is 60+ years old so it's sometimes difficult to say how representative the colour is, especially as the negative/slide has been scanned plus your own PC's display are involved. And also 35027 at Victoria about half-way down - http://www.semgonline.com/steam/mn_01.html But now a bit shabby - https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/6242947069 Interesting, 35020 has extended smoke deflectors... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted March 21, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 21, 2017 Interesting, 35020 has extended smoke deflectors... Yep. The only MN that did. For the 1948 interchange trials, just like Yeovil, Barnstaple and Bude, all but the last losing them to the rebuilding process. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach bogie Posted March 21, 2017 Share Posted March 21, 2017 Off subject I know but this made my purchase of the Hornby SR Merchant Navy worth it...!! Or just put toplights behind your MN. Does look good with Pullmans though Mike Wiltshire 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spannerman Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Finally had time to get the MN's C1 and C3 out of the box and I'm really impressed. Personally I would've liked a pivoting pony truck, but given the fact Hornby have tooled and produced what amounts to a one off in C1 it would be rude to grumble. As for the Malachite, it's definitely green and I wasn't around in 1941 to argue its correctness. Looking forward to one in wartime black now. Atb Nik Edited March 22, 2017 by Spannerman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 The postman has just delivered my 21C3 - absolutely stunning ! (The engine, not the postman, that is). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Brasher Posted March 22, 2017 Share Posted March 22, 2017 Or just put toplights behind your MN. cp1.jpg Does look good with Pullmans though cp2.jpg Mike Wiltshire The Purbeck Model Railway Group will allow me to run 'Royal Mail' with a rake of Pullman cars but is drawing the line about running a war time black Merchant Navy with Pullmans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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