grow45 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 For no reason other than that I have always liked the look of them I have just bought an HO GG1 in Tuscan Red. From what I can gather this colour would date it to post 1952 but I have no idea of what sort of rolling stock to run with it. Can anybody with knowledge of them give me an idea of what might be appropriate.  Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasond Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I travelled from Washington to New York behind a GG1 in 1974. Despite it being an Amtrak all black version, looking out of the leading passenger car end window was, as you can tell, memorable - massive, unstoppable beast. Did you get '1952' off http://www.spikesys.com/GG1/links.html ? Some great links there. Youtube has a lot of stuff - GG1 seems to be a good search term! Passenger cars seen so far: tuscan red heavyweights and smooth side lightweights, silver lightweights with fluted sides and tuscan red top panels with Pennsylvania name.  The experts will be along now with numbers and consists. Incidentally, the 1974 holiday started with D&H PAs Albany to Montreal. Still modelling the D&H today - aren't we impressionable in our 20s! Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikjd Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 I have pdf copies of 1967 PRR passenger consists, train by train. The PRR lightweight passenger stock was mostly unique in design, and so a lot of the older PRR passenger stock out there is not prototypical. In N scale even Kato painted their early smoothside stock in PRR colours, even though none of the types were prototypical, before bringing out the Broadway stock. The PRR head end baggage/express stock was also different to that used on other lines, and the same issue arose with those models.  There are a lot of resources online. I'll come back with a few links (still can't post links with IE - frustrating!).  Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikjd Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 As promised: Â Keystone Crossings is a mine of information: http://pennsyrr.com/index.php/passenger. It looks like this is where my consist lists came from. Â One of the best sites I found for pictures of stock is: http://passcarphotos.info/ Â I'm not familiar with HO, but if it's like N scale the correct stock is out there ...... somewhere, and I'm sure I've seen photos of GG1's hauling everything from commuter trains to freight (just watch out for P5's!) Â Mick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 You can't go wrong with a string of P70 coaches. The PRR owned more P70 coaches than the Santa Fe did all types of passenger cars. Put about 10-15 coaches behind the G and crank her up to about 90 mph and you have a typical local passenger train. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 There were only a few tuscan GG1s. I'm pretty sure they were used on the Congressional, Senator, and the like, so NE corridor coach trains, New York to Washington. Typically that would be P85 lightweight cars, either Budd-built or the ACF/Altoona cars. There might also be rebuilt P70 cars. GG1s in other service (usually in the more common Brunswick green schemes) could have commuter consists of P70 heavyweight coaches or could pull the long-distance trains on the electrified bits, like the Broadway Limited between NY and Harrisburg.  Something like these (the Budd cars with tuscan letterboards were used on the corridor trains): http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/910-30006 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/910-30056 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-14003  If you go for tuscan coaches, you would probably want the 3-stripe scheme (post 1952) like: http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/932-9344  These could work as a stand-ins for P70s http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-13701 http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/160-13601  You could also see head-end cars like http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/920-17243  Although this is N-scale, it gives a reasonably accurate consist for the Broadway Limited in about 1953. http://www.katousa.com/N/Broadway/index.html  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
w124bob Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Anyone know exactly how many liveries where worn by the GG1's, some years ago I seem to recall counting  well into double figures. This included all the variants on Penny's,PC,CR and Amtrak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Anyone know exactly how many liveries where worn by the GG1's, some years ago I seem to recall counting  well into double figures. This included all the variants on Penny's,PC,CR and Amtrak.  Off the top of my head:  PRR 5-stripe brunswick http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3564251 1-stripe brunswick http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3376397 5-stripe tuscan http://www.katousa.com/N/GG1/137-2004.jpg 1-stripe tuscan http://www.katousa.com/N/GG1/137-2013.jpg Tuscan stripe on silver http://www.trainweb.org/railpix/miscpix/PRR-GG1c-9-58.jpg  PC 1-Stripe brunswick w/PC logos http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=422254 Black w/PC logos and Penn Central lettering http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=834150  CR Black w/CR lettering http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=3568032 Bicentennial http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2114599 Blue w/CR logo http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2242702  Amtrak Black w/Amtrak lettering http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Amtrak_No_904.jpg - those would be rebuilt P70s behind it. Silver/red/blue http://www.hebners.net/amtrak/amtGG1900/amt905b.jpg  Museum Plain Black http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=821537  Or go here for a more comprehensive list: http://www.spikesys.com/GG1/paint.html  Edit: added a couple+pic links Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Fred Klein has put together some PRR consists (using N-scale equipment):  Here is a bit of history and a take on the Congressional http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/cong52.htm  Also, you could do a 'clocker' (hourly NY-Philly train) http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/clocker36.htm  Or the Admiral http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/admiral50.htm  Here is the Broadway Limited (using the Kato cars noted above) and a different take on it http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/bwy49kato.htm http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/bwyb49.htm  Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Armor Yellow...? Â Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted February 18, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 18, 2015 Armor Yellow...?  FB_IMG_1424294417986.jpg  NNoooooo! It would look nice in McGinnis though..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 NNoooooo! It would look nice in McGinnis though..... I might....but then I might lop in in half instead... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave1905 Posted February 18, 2015 Share Posted February 18, 2015 Armor Yellow...? Â FB_IMG_1424294417986.jpg Quoting a line from the movie "Dodgeball", "... I think I just threw up a little in my mouth." Â Dave (who used to live in Philadelphia) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2015 Didn't some of the trains carry through cars from the south to new York? I'm not sure which roads. Â Â I always thought they pulled stainless steel cars labelled "Lionel Lines". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Wintle Posted February 19, 2015 Share Posted February 19, 2015 Didn't some of the trains carry through cars from the south to new York? I'm not sure which roads. Â Â I always thought they pulled stainless steel cars labelled "Lionel Lines". Â Some of the trains carried through cars (excluding head-end cars the through cars were almost exclusively sleepers), and there were also through trains (from other roads)Â that carried PRR cars. Â For a while the Broadway Limited carried a through ATSF Sleeper (in silver). Â Adrian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted February 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 19, 2015 I might....but then I might lop in in half instead...  Ah yes, the G 0.5 switcher. very odd. If I hadn't seen the photos.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grow45 Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Thanks for all the information. I had no idea where to start looking for it as the GG1 is so far out of my normal area of interest - the Railways of Scotland.  I like the look of the Congressional with the Stainless Steel coaches as shown in the first picture on http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/cong52.htm that Adrian posted It just looks right. I think a few of the Walthers cars would look good behind the GG1.  Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomMarkert Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 AAR paint scheme, Amtrak scheme and finally 4876 which ran away enroute to Washington DC. This engine was salvaged and returned to service. It is now in a museum... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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