well filled baps The Sheep Chronicles. The adventures of a Sheep, the Works Forecat and the Works Apprentice, George.

[NHY 581]

An slightly elevated view......

 

 

 

 

 

[NHY 581]

1 hour ago, 03060 said:

 

What are you using to remove the factory weathering, please Rob ? I have a few coaches that I would like to clean up.

 

Regards,

Ian.

 

 

Morning Ian, 

 

I intially tried using IPA but it didn't really do much so, after a deep breath, I took a fibre brush to the little chap. I worked vertically on the sides and across the boiler........I took my time..

 

However 😬, this may not be the best method for coaches..........!😲

 

R

[ardbealach]

Three links eh?  Time to go to specsavers - other opticians are available.  (Alisdair)

[Gilbert]

1 hour ago, NHY 581 said:

 

 

Morning Ian, 

 

I intially tried using IPA but it didn't really do much so, after a deep breath, I took a fibre brush to the little chap. I worked vertically on the sides and across the boiler........I took my time..

 

However 😬, this may not be the best method for coaches..........!😲

 

R

I had to undo a long standing unsatisfactory weathering job on a Rail Blue coach and after the normal solvents did not do much I experimented with T-cut - the results were quite passable especially after a coat of spray varnish to seal everything when finished and before any more work.

Chris H

[NHY 581]

Evening all, 

 

Aside from a few finishing touches, 1432 is just about done. 

 

It's proving to be a nice diversion and I'm very relieved to see that given the somewhat aggressive approach, the de-weathering appears to have  paid off. 

 

 

 

 

We are therefore left with a loco that, dare I say it,  seems to look half tidy. 

 

Rob. 

 

 

[JustinDean]

9 hours ago, NHY 581 said:

An slightly elevated view......

 

 

 

 

 

This fella wouldn’t look out of place on Llanyblod.

 

Nice work.

 

Jay

[NHY 581]

1 minute ago, JustinDean said:

This fella wouldn’t look out of place on Llanyblod.

 

Nice work.

 

Jay

 

 

Hi Jay, 

 

Cheers. It's an Oswestry loco but try as I might, I've unable to locate a photo which could have been referred to in order to arrive at the original weathered finish. 

 

Far too heavy as first presented. Much happier now. 

 

Rob. 

[MrWolf]

That looks very much better, now it's in its working clothes and not looking like a body dragged out of the river.

Less is definitely more.

[NHY 581]

Final one. 

 

1432 has shifted to Sheep Dip....

 

 

 

[John Besley]

Very nice, the only part that I am puzzled about is the bright red / orange rust patch on the smokebox..

 

BTW a 14xx is such a tiny little engine they don't take long to clean in real life,

 

1420 was a great little loco to prep and fire back in the late 90's early 2000's

[NHY 581]

39 minutes ago, John Besley said:

Very nice, the only part that I am puzzled about is the bright red / orange rust patch on the smokebox..

 

BTW a 14xx is such a tiny little engine they don't take long to clean in real life,

 

1420 was a great little loco to prep and fire back in the late 90's early 2000's

 

 

Hi John, 

 

I've looked through a number of photos of 14xx today, centering on the mid-sixties. Some, especially those from Horton Road and those on the Chalford Auto trains were in quite appalling external condition by mid-'64. A few have clearly got rust patches in the location I've plonked one. 

 

This was my starting point......( as per previous posts) 

Photo-Hattons. 

 

I felt this finish  was too much and sought to improve on it. In particular, I wanted to reveal some of the green livery. 

 

With such a heavily applied factory finish you will never return it to ex-works but that was fine as I didn't want that. 

 

 

I hope I'm striking a balance here. By removing parts of a rather heavy, bland factory weathering finish and adding my own touches, a bit more character has been returned to the loco. Don't forget, it's not finished yet but I'm pleased thus far. 

 

I just couldn't leave it as was. 

 

Rob. 

 

 

 

 

 

[MrWolf]

External rust where you have it on the smokebox isn't uncommon as it's the hottest part, another common area for rust is the bottom of the smokebox door.

[Nick C]

52 minutes ago, MrWolf said:

External rust where you have it on the smokebox isn't uncommon as it's the hottest part, another common area for rust is the bottom of the smokebox door.

Bottom of the door seems to be very common in photos of the Isle of Wight locos in the last couple of years of service. 

[SR71]

Rust on the bottom of the door was usually an indicator that it hadn't sealed properly I was told and usually then that the loco was worked hard.

 

Didn't question it at the time but I presume it's due to the oxygen leaking in keeping the ash collected in the smokebox alight and burning the paint off.

[MrWolf]

55 minutes ago, SR71 said:

Rust on the bottom of the door was usually an indicator that it hadn't sealed properly I was told and usually then that the loco was worked hard.

 

Didn't question it at the time but I presume it's due to the oxygen leaking in keeping the ash collected in the smokebox alight and burning the paint off.

 

The heat retained by the ash could also buckle the bottom of the door, or even cause it to rust through, making the problem worse.

[Gilbert]

A stonking transformation Rob

Chris H

[Mike_Walker]

14 hours ago, NHY 581 said:

 

 

Hi Jay, 

 

Cheers. It's an Oswestry loco but try as I might, I've unable to locate a photo which could have been referred to in order to arrive at the original weathered finish. 

 

Far too heavy as first presented. Much happier now. 

 

Rob. 

Any help?

 

[Dunsignalling]

There were a couple of 14xx sent to work the Seaton Branch in 1965, covering for dead DMus, and one of them (nowadays in a museum) looked more like Rob's did "before".

 

Except for special workings, the WR seemed to give up cleaning steam locos about 1961, and 1442 looked like it hadn't seen the business end of an oily rag in at least that long!

 

John

[NHY 581]

6 hours ago, Mike_Walker said:

Any help?

 

 

 

Hi Mike. 

 

Thanks. That clearly shows that at some point (obviously !) 1432 was a lot cleaner than when depicted by Hattons so I'm none the wiser regarding any photographic evidence of the original Hattons finish........which is arguably academic as I would have stripped it off in any event.........

 

Rob

[New Haven Neil]

One of those little things got lost up the Forest - not sure it would have been much use to them on the gradients!

 

Another layout totally inspired by your efforts, Rob, so thanks again!

 

PS 7mm is fun....hint....

 

[Donw]

I had the pleasure of a footplate ride on one on the Dean Forest Railway might have been 1420. Of course preserved loco tended to be rather better treated. Even better I have driven a pannier of the DFR.

 

Don

[NHY 581]

1 hour ago, New Haven Neil said:

One of those little things got lost up the Forest - not sure it would have been much use to them on the gradients!

 

Another layout totally inspired by your efforts, Rob, so thanks again!

 

PS 7mm is fun....hint....

 

 

 

Thanks, Neil. 

 

The 14xx are long time favourite locos of mine. 

Yes, 7mm is indeed very tempting but enough to do for now in 4mm...........

 

Very nice scene by the way. 

 

Rob. 

[Captain Kernow]

2 hours ago, New Haven Neil said:

One of those little things got lost up the Forest - not sure it would have been much use to them on the gradients!

 

Another layout totally inspired by your efforts, Rob, so thanks again!

 

PS 7mm is fun....hint....

 

Photos exist of course, of a 14XX on Lydney shed, for the auto trains across the bridge (or round via Gloucester after 1961).

 

Who's to say that it might not have been 'borrowed' for a light load up the Severn & Wye?

 

[MrWolf]

I've got a couple of antiquated Airfix 14XX in the stash, one for upgrading and one for converting into a late condition 517.

 

If they can be persuaded to run of course...

[New Haven Neil]

22 hours ago, Captain Kernow said:

Photos exist of course, of a 14XX on Lydney shed, for the auto trains across the bridge (or round via Gloucester after 1961).

 

Who's to say that it might not have been 'borrowed' for a light load up the Severn & Wye?

 

 

Yes, that was my excuse for buying one!  I wouldn't have thought it much use on the gradients, but my layout has prototypical gradients the model is quite happy with, it is a very nice runner.