RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 30 minutes ago, New Haven Neil said: Brush 4 to us northerners, as opposed to a Peak. Did you know Mark Clark by any chance BTW? Worked with him at Brighton. He bought a layout from me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
keefr2 Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, New Haven Neil said: EE type 3's for instance, were just that, not 'tractors' or other nonsense. Always 37's to me.... Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 21 hours ago, D9020 Nimbus said: Notice that calling something a BR/Sulzer type 2 doesn't distinguish between a class 24 and class 25. Normally locos in this era were named after the main contractor — usually the firm responsible for the mechanical parts, although the class 15 is an exception: the mechanical parts were made by YEC (pilot scheme locos) and Clayton (the rest). For some reason the class 14 was usually referred to as a "Paxman type 1” — a designation that could have applied to all the type 1s except the EE Type 1 (class 20). D95XX as far as the WR was concerned although the Class designation or possibly the number series was no doubt used in the loads tables. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 8 hours ago, NHY 581 said: Bizarrely, I'm not at all confident about weathering the diesels as of yet. It's something I need to look into and read up on I’m sure I speak on behalf of many that we have every confidence in you…… ……no pressure though 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 Going back to the weathering, it might be worth getting hold of something cheap and practicing on that, where at least you can strip it all off and have another go until you have reached the level of proficiency that satisfies you and then do your pride and joy, deseasal. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 hours ago, New Haven Neil said: I'm with Oldudders. Many of the nicknames for loco classes are modern, and date from well after the eras we model. EE type 3's for instance, were just that, not 'tractors' or other nonsense. DMU's were 'multi's' and no class numbers - we had no idea of them but knew a Met-Cam from a Birm (-ingham RCW). Now Sheepsy needs a NB Type 1 to go with the BTH...... Agree - 350s were 350 hp diesel shunters on the Western, EE Type 3s were exactly that to everybody - even in 1973 by which time they had been Class 37s for 5 years! To us DMUs were 'units' - single cars were SPCs, drive end trailers to go with the SPCs were DETS, 'Units' normally referred to any 3 car set (and to some 2 car sets) - some were Glo'ster units, some were BRCW units, some were Pressed Steel units, and, unfortunately, some were Park Royal units. The only ones that were any different were Cross Country sets (because the Instruction manual called them that) and Inter City sets (again because that was what the manual called them). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 Don't understand DXXXX numbering but I know a 29 looks like a 22 if you squash it up a bit or something like that. 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 56 minutes ago, chuffinghell said: I’m sure I speak on behalf of many that we have every confidence in you…… ……no pressure though The ghost of Joseph Hamilton Beattie (1808-1871) has told me that he's very concerned about SheepBloke straying off the true and righteous path of modelling LSWR stock. He'll be heading over to Sheepville and will be channelling all his ghostly vibes into the paints and powders used on the dreaded diesels in order to get Rob to step away from the dark side. Fibble. By way of encouragement... 13 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Tim Dubya said: Don't understand DXXXX numbering but I know a 29 looks like a 22 if you squash it up a bit or something like that. I think the majority of folk predate the actual use of the TOPS system in the model world because IMO: 1. It's loads quicker to type a 2 or 3 digit class number than the lengthy original class designation 2. Most folk know of and can quickly visualise a 17, 22 or 37 3. It's generally less ambiguous, there were for instance loads of Class 2s and I generally quickly forget who made what What's a North British Type 2 anyway?: I agree use of TOPS isn't correct for the early diesel period but I think it's a useful and acceptable anachronism. Obviously the infamous 2ManySpams diesel identification system is the most useful system and relies purely on end shapes and window numbers. What could be easier? 2 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 4 hours ago, Oldddudders said: Did Carolyn G not get involved in trying transplanted prime movers in them? Not the Carolyn G?? She was with me at Canton and last seen heading for Selhurst Park. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, 2ManySpams said: I think the majority of folk predate the actual use of the TOPS system in the model world because IMO: 1. It's loads quicker to type a 2 or 3 digit class number than the lengthy original class designation 2. Most folk know of and can quickly visualise a 17, 22 or 37 3. It's generally less ambiguous, there were for instance loads of Class 2s and I generally quickly forget who made what What's a North British Type 2 anyway?: I agree use of TOPS isn't correct for the early diesel period but I think it's a useful and acceptable anachronism. Obviously the infamous 2ManySpams diesel identification system is the most useful system and relies purely on end shapes and window numbers. What could be easier? Nope, still don't get it. Oh hang on: Steam. Diesel: Sorted. 3 1 1 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 7 minutes ago, MrWolf said: Nope, still don't get it. Oh hang on: Steam. Diesel: Sorted. I can see that a certain class of steam engine may cause issues with your classification system... 2 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Seriously though, all this talk of early diesels is contagious, I have often thought that it wouldn't take much more than a change of road vehicles to run my layout as it might have been c1960. It's also a good excuse to buy more locos and stock.... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, New Haven Neil said: Brush 4 to us northerners, as opposed to a Peak. Did you know Mark Clark by any chance BTW? Duffs. And Scottish ones were MacDuffs.... Not a "spotters" nickname, the local railwaymen called them that. They were seen as inferior to the locos they replaced. Jason 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 16 minutes ago, Northroader said: Not the Carolyn G?? She was with me at Canton and last seen heading for Selhurst Park. The same lady. After Selhurst she took the top job at Brighton, Lovers Walk. Last seen by me in some sort of very senior role at either OPRAF or ORR early this century, I think. St Enedoc can fill in a few blanks, probably. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Duffs. And Scottish ones were MacDuffs.... Not a "spotters" nickname, the local railwaymen called them that. They were seen as inferior to the locos they replaced. Jason And the "Shove Duffs" remained so, to some, after they migrated South. The "Duff" moniker was well-earned in their early days; they didn't exactly sparkle straight out of the box. ISTR wagers being laid when one headed down out of Exeter St Davids as to how many of the traction motors would remain functional by the time it returned..... By the time we began to see them in quantity down west, they'd been largely sorted, as they clearly had to be, BR having bought over five hundred of the bu99ers. The only diesels that seemed to work really well from the get-go were the various Type 3s from BRC&W, EE, and Beyer Peacock. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: And the "Shove Duffs" remained so, to some, after they migrated South. The "Duff" moniker was well-earned in their early days; they didn't exactly sparkle straight out of the box. ISTR wagers being laid when one headed down out of Exeter St Davids as to how many of the traction motors would remain functional by the time it returned..... By the time we began to see them in quantity down west, they'd been largely sorted, as they clearly had to be, BR having bought over five hundred of the bu99ers. The only diesels that seemed to work really well from the get-go were the various Type 3s from BRC&W, EE, and Beyer Peacock. John The Brush 4s were appalling things when new and indeed for a succession of years after as numerous mods were made and experiments carried out. Their most alarming early feature was the automatic slack adjusters on the brake rigging which had a habit of 'adjusting' non-existent slack with the results that brake blocks caught fire and wheel tyres got rather hot and bothered. Little doubt in my mind that the BRCW alternative (aka 'Lion') was a better design and would have come from a more reliable design stable building on the success of the BRCW Type 2s and 3s. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 That sounds like a typical case of customer finishing off the development shops job. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 I’ve read that some railwaymen, at least, called class 47s "Brush Four-and-a-half”; a "Brush 4” being a class 46. Only the class 44s were "Peaks", the 45s were "Cromptons" (they had Crompton-Parkinson electrical equipment, while the 46s had Brush). Apparently the first half-dozen 47s (those fitted with ETH from new) had originally been intended to be class 46s D194-199. 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted October 9, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2021 Well, I am somewhat amused and I must say, find it interesting to see how much debate and opinion regarding correct terminology has resulted from the appearance of the Class 15. Not in any way intended as a criticism but it's this sort of stuff that's kept me away from the diseasal world for so long. I don't think I am seriously minded enough or perhaps more accurately, passionate enough about the subject. I find the Class 15 quite appealing to look at as I do the 24. A Class 31 will appear due to fond memories of my Triang example. As you may gather, I like small shunty engines, hence the 03 and again, I reserve a soft spot for an 08 arising from hours spent watch said shunters shuffling about Cardiff Central in the late 70s, early 80s. So we shall see more diseasals in due course, both on Project X and Bleat Wharf (of which more anon) but for now the emphasis is on things Eastern. Rob. 11 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mullie Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 A layout with two time frames, my EM test plank Upbech St Mary. The green one is allegedly a class 10 shunter. Martyn 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 Class 10? Looks like something that the LMS threw together out of surplus Jinty parts. It definitely has a foot in both camps. I'd happily run one of those. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium New Haven Neil Posted October 9, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2021 6 hours ago, St Enodoc said: Worked with him at Brighton. He bought a layout from me. He was in our club when he was a young feller, he was originally a Merch engineer the same as myself, he went to our local marine college. I heard he passed away a couple of years ago. Quite a character. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWolf Posted October 9, 2021 Share Posted October 9, 2021 3 hours ago, mullie said: A layout with two time frames, my EM test plank Upbech St Mary. The green one is allegedly a class 10 shunter. Martyn That definitely gives me ideas. Note to self: Must actually get layout built first..... 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post NHY 581 Posted October 9, 2021 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2021 Well, not a particularly productive day but I have at least made a start on the ground cover. DAS clay laid onto a thin bed of PVA to a depth of roughly sleeper height, give or take. Yard office pressed in to eliminate gap and now waiting for the clay to dry. You will I'm sure, get the gist. Rob. 26 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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