RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted February 14, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14, 2023 Hattons own the tooling, so I'd guess it depends on their relationship with Bachmann :-; 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted February 14, 2023 Share Posted February 14, 2023 27 minutes ago, D9020 Nimbus said: Hattons own the tooling, so I'd guess it depends on their relationship with Bachmann :-; Probably not going to turn up in an efe box then....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2023 37 minutes ago, Paul_sterling said: Probably not going to turn up in an efe box then....... The Kernow stuff did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted February 14, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 14, 2023 4 hours ago, melmerby said: The Kernow stuff did. Yes but Kernow has a previous manufacturing relationship with Bachmann don’t they? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pteremy Posted February 15, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 15, 2023 Things have moved on. With Hornby focussed on TT120 a revised (i.e. shortcomings fixed) EFE branded 14xx might be a way for Bachmann to reinstate a more positive business relationship with Hattons? Maybe the 66 could also feature somehow? Then again maybe Rapido have designs on the 14xx. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 10 minutes ago, Pteremy said: Things have moved on. With Hornby focussed on TT120 a revised (i.e. shortcomings fixed) EFE branded 14xx might be a way for Bachmann to reinstate a more positive business relationship with Hattons? Maybe the 66 could also feature somehow? Then again maybe Rapido have designs on the 14xx. Rapido would be a logical home if hattons don't intend to make another run. With everything else rapido are doing in respect of the titfield thunderbolt it would make sense. Fingers crossed. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 On 15/02/2023 at 10:19, Pteremy said: Things have moved on. With Hornby focussed on TT120 a revised (i.e. shortcomings fixed) EFE branded 14xx might be a way for Bachmann to reinstate a more positive business relationship with Hattons? Maybe the 66 could also feature somehow? Then again maybe Rapido have designs on the 14xx. I wonder if the 66 and the 14XX are made at the same factory? Anyway we know where the 66 just went... As for the 14xx appearing in EFE, there seems to be 2 possible ways it could appear now. Either re-using Hattons tooling in a great new partnership between them or as new tooling developed apart. I would still prefer Rapido or Accurascale tooled up from scratch though. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, JSpencer said: I wonder if the 66 and the 14XX are made at the same factory? Anyway we know where the 66 just went... As for the 14xx appearing in EFE, there seems to be 2 possible ways it could appear now. Either re-using Hattons tooling in a great new partnership between them or as new tooling developed apart. I would still prefer Rapido or Accurascale tooled up from scratch though. The 14xx was designed by DJM, I expect it was built at one of 'his' factories, what happened after DJM went bump we don't know. This was the same time as DJM with Hattons was proposing an OO King that was sunk immediately by Hornby announcing theirs and the N version was proposed by DJM himself and got to a 3D print. I think it is more likely that at 14XX will be coming from Rapido than anybody else because there is a link with Titfield, the DJM was not perfect either - people didn't like how it worked and it was missing the bottom of the firebox. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, woodenhead said: The 14xx was designed by DJM, I expect it was built at one of 'his' factories, what happened after DJM went bump we don't know. This was the same time as DJM with Hattons was proposing an OO King that was sunk immediately by Hornby announcing theirs and the N version was proposed by DJM himself and got to a 3D print. I think it is more likely that at 14XX will be coming from Rapido than anybody else because there is a link with Titfield, the DJM was not perfect either - people didn't like how it worked and it was missing the bottom of the firebox. Thankfully one of the manfacturers once said that chassis work is a relatively small part of the cost (or that sheel tooling dwarfs everything else). So it's plausible to retool the chassis of the hattons 14xx for a small proportion of the cost of a new loco design. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 2 hours ago, woodenhead said: The 14xx was designed by DJM, I expect it was built at one of 'his' factories, what happened after DJM went bump we don't know. This was the same time as DJM with Hattons was proposing an OO King that was sunk immediately by Hornby announcing theirs and the N version was proposed by DJM himself and got to a 3D print. I think it is more likely that at 14XX will be coming from Rapido than anybody else because there is a link with Titfield, the DJM was not perfect either - people didn't like how it worked and it was missing the bottom of the firebox. The chassis design is exactly the same as the austerity, well tank and O2. No doubt over the factory being the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted December 3, 2023 Share Posted December 3, 2023 (edited) Just purchases one of these early today for a very reasonable price, and a good runner too (for now). The model is an example fitted with a top feed, but the intention is to convert this to one without. This (along with the pipework) appears to be separately fitted parts. Is this the case? If so how easy are they to remove? Any information before I attempt this would be much appreciated!!! Edited December 5, 2023 by SDJR7F88 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted December 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) On 24/02/2023 at 14:33, woodenhead said: The 14xx was designed by DJM, I expect it was built at one of 'his' factories, what happened after DJM went bump we don't know. This was the same time as DJM with Hattons was proposing an OO King that was sunk immediately by Hornby announcing theirs and the N version was proposed by DJM himself and got to a 3D print. I think it is more likely that at 14XX will be coming from Rapido than anybody else because there is a link with Titfield, the DJM was not perfect either - people didn't like how it worked and it was missing the bottom of the firebox. I dunno, Kernow picked up some DJ toolings. I’m not sure where that puts Hattons in this, but the EFE 143/144 look very similar to the Realtrack one, I wouldnt therefore discount an EFE 14xx at some point. The body of the 14xx was pretty good. Edited December 4, 2023 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted December 4, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2023 54 minutes ago, adb968008 said: I dunno, Kernow picked up some DJ toolings. I’m not sure where that puts Hattons in this, but the EFE 143/144 look very similar to the Realtrack one, I wouldnt therefore discount an EFE 14xx at some point. The body of the 14xx was pretty good. EFE seems to be re-introducing ex-DJ Models designs such as the J94 (or in the case of the 'N' Class 17 finishing it with Kernow) Maybe we will get EFE/Hattons 48XXs some time in the future with a decent chassis? EFE seems to be an arm's length company as part of Bachmann with items not always designed in house and not always manufactured by Kader group companies. It seems to be a way of getting items which would've normally sunk without trace after the initial production back into mainstream. e.g. the Kernow O2 & Gate stock 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Any information on how to remove the top feed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 04/12/2023 at 23:10, melmerby said: EFE seems to be re-introducing ex-DJ Models designs such as the J94 (or in the case of the 'N' Class 17 finishing it with Kernow) Maybe we will get EFE/Hattons 48XXs some time in the future with a decent chassis? EFE seems to be an arm's length company as part of Bachmann with items not always designed in house and not always manufactured by Kader group companies. It seems to be a way of getting items which would've normally sunk without trace after the initial production back into mainstream. e.g. the Kernow O2 & Gate stock Just to correct the record and some misconceptions... EFE Rail is not an "arm's length company" but simply a brand with Bachman Europe's portfolio. It is a channel for the distribution of products designed, produced and managed through 3rd parties and not in house and via Kader. As such it may utilise existing 3rd party tooling (by the way, and again to put the record straight, the KMRC Adams O2 and Gate stock did not sink "without trace after the initial production" as they had already had multiple production runs under the KMRC brand) or new tooling as we have already seen with the LSWR Cross Country sets, LSWR Covered vans and the SR Boosters. Whilst some of the releases have utilised tooling still owned by factories from now defunct business, in the case of the 14xx this tooling is as already stated in previous posts owned by Hattons and therefore it is their decision on any future use. 3 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pmorgancym Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 I woukd have thought if Rapido were going to do the 14xx they would have done it in tandem with Lion, the possibilities of a 'rich uncle' Titfield pack.. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted December 12, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2023 On 10/12/2023 at 21:20, Pmorgancym said: I woukd have thought if Rapido were going to do the 14xx they would have done it in tandem with Lion, the possibilities of a 'rich uncle' Titfield pack.. Well Accurascale took over Hattons 66. Perhaps another collab may happen. As far as I can remember without trawling through this entire topic, wasn’t it mainly issues with the mechanism? Body was pretty good. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Midland Mole Posted December 12, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 12, 2023 (edited) Yes, from what I remember the mechanisms were very hit and miss. My two run sweet as anything out of the box, but others had issues. The body is generally very good but the lack of a seam between the dome and boiler annoys some people. Edited December 12, 2023 by Fair Oak Junction Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted December 12, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 12, 2023 A 14xx and Autocoach pack would be a winner 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BedeHistory731 Posted December 20, 2023 Share Posted December 20, 2023 On 12/12/2023 at 14:11, chuffinghell said: A 14xx and Autocoach pack would be a winner Watch somebody do an R-T-R 517 first. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Midland Mole Posted December 20, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2023 Just now, BedeHistory731 said: Watch somebody do an R-T-R 517 first. Well, to be fair that would be really nice to see happen! 😄 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted December 20, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2023 3 hours ago, BedeHistory731 said: Watch somebody do an R-T-R 517 first. If only! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 21, 2023 Share Posted December 21, 2023 Another consideration for the production of a tractively competent 0-4-2T is what Bachmann have successfully demonstrated on their 0-4-4T by use of a superior constructional plan. In broad outline the bodywork over the coupled wheelbase is diecast, body work to the rear of this is moulded in plastic; the gear box is on the trailing coupled axle and a lightweight and compact motor is in the firebox end of the boiler. Lightweight tackle such as the decoder scoket location is to the rear of the coupled wheelbase. End result, the centre of balance of the complete model is within the coupled wheelbase, and stable traction results, with no need for traction tyres. I would suggest that a better result is available by dropping the previous RTR models and starting afresh. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted December 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2023 9 minutes ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: I would suggest that a better result is available by dropping the previous RTR models and starting afresh. From a great height............. Rob 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Edwardian Posted December 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 21, 2023 2 hours ago, 34theletterbetweenB&D said: Another consideration for the production of a tractively competent 0-4-2T is what Bachmann have successfully demonstrated on their 0-4-4T by use of a superior constructional plan. In broad outline the bodywork over the coupled wheelbase is diecast, body work to the rear of this is moulded in plastic; the gear box is on the trailing coupled axle and a lightweight and compact motor is in the firebox end of the boiler. Lightweight tackle such as the decoder scoket location is to the rear of the coupled wheelbase. End result, the centre of balance of the complete model is within the coupled wheelbase, and stable traction results, with no need for traction tyres. I would suggest that a better result is available by dropping the previous RTR models and starting afresh. Or just dropping the ash in the case of this one! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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