RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 16, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Both 1453 and 1458 appear to have lasted without top feeds until withdrawn in 1964. 1453 was in lined green by then; i have not found a clear enough image of 1458 to tell one way or the other. By 1964 it is often quite difficult to distinguish dirty green from black anyway! 1458 is the intended number of the Hattons 14XX, that I am building a replacement chassis for. Interestingly, there are photos of 1458, taken in the 1950s, showing it with a top feed, but subsequent photos taken in the early 1960s show it without, so I can only assume that it acquired a replacement, non-top feed boiler at some time between these periods. Edit - 1458 was definitely in lined green, albeit rather grubby in most photos. Edited October 16, 2018 by Captain Kernow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) Thanks to mozzer models, 90rob and Pteremey, plates for 1409 now ordered so problem solved! Useful picture there, very clear. As Pteremy says, often difficult to work out livery of a dirty engine from pics. And thanks Captain Kernow, I posted at same time as you! Edited October 16, 2018 by railroadbill 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hi guys. Did anyone get one of there’s to run well on DCC. It seems a number of these run ok analogue then like a dog on DCC. I’m intrigued if it’s a CV issue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hi guys. Did anyone get one of there’s to run well on DCC. It seems a number of these run ok analogue then like a dog on DCC. I’m intrigued if it’s a CV issue? Mine is absolutely perfect on DCC. In fact, I was wondering whether the opposite was true... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Mine is absolutely perfect on DCC. In fact, I was wondering whether the opposite was true... Which decoder did you use? Did you have to amend any CVs? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 Which decoder did you use? Did you have to amend any CVs? It was the first loco I bought coming back to the hobby so I elected to let Hatton's install their decoder of choice. It reports as an ESU Loksound V4 in DecoderPro and the only CVs I've ever changed are the address (obvs) and the acceleration and deceleration values. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I’m considering having another attempt at buying one, just to get a 58 on Cwm Prysor (and continue with 5810 from the airfix body). Genuinely unsure what to do. Both my previous versions ran appalling on dcc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Harlequin Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Here she is a few days ago: Sorry, not a very good video but it's the most recent that I've got. Any stuttering you see is likely to be caused by youtube/internet/video compression, not the loco! Edited October 24, 2018 by Harlequin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hornby would make a killing on the 14xx if they threw away the centuries old tooling and chassis and paired it with an equally re-tooled (and better detailed) autocoach Cannot deny that. The 14xx + Autocoach was and still should form the quintessential GWR BLT. Looks like Bachmann have wrested the crown with their 64xx + Autocoach, but you never know. Perhaps "HattonsDave" has a future project to reproduce the traditional autocoach deficiency. I am lucky because I don't "need" a 14xx for any of my modelling projects, but I have read enough information to unfortunately steer well clear of the Hattons / Dave Jones product, even if I change my mind. I think it is a salutary history lesson, and I am really pleased that Hattons have moved on with their suppliers, simply because my Hattons 14" Andrew Barclay proves that to me, and I understand from others the P Class similarly does. In my view the benchmark small loco for running qualities is the Hornby Peckett, and the Hattons AB is "nearly" there but not quite as smooth and silent, but i am very happy with mine. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 I’m considering having another attempt at buying one, just to get a 58 on Cwm Prysor (and continue with 5810 from the airfix body). Genuinely unsure what to do. Both my previous versions ran appalling on dcc Hi Tom, The following CV changes will assist with the operation of the 14xx's coreless motor on DCC. CV5 to 255 CV6 to128 CV49 to17 CV51 to 0 CV52 to 0 CV53 to 140 CV54 to 40 CV55 to 28 CV56 to 255 CV124 to 4 These are set by us as standard as part of our DCC fitting services on these models but can also be changed on most Digital controllers. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 I didn't need a 14xx, still don't but I got one nonetheless when one popped up on Ebay. I've only used it a couple of times, got it off Ebay, chipped for less than the price of a non chipped new, it runs sweet on DC. I feel guilty holding on to it when so many others have demics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) With the help of Re6/6 we have now taught the lump of mazak in the 14XX body a lesson it will not forget. Edited October 24, 2018 by Captain Kernow 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chuffinghell Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 I didn't need a 14xx, still don't but I got one nonetheless when one popped up on Ebay. I've only used it a couple of times, got it off Ebay, chipped for less than the price of a non chipped new, it runs sweet on DC. I feel guilty holding on to it when so many others have demics. Obviously a fantastic seller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 46444 Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 One here on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hattons-Class-14xx-0-4-2-in-BR-Lined-Green-With-Early-Emblem/392152201472?hash=item5b4e17b900:g:I2EAAOSwihVbyx6v:rk:1:pf:0 Do you risk it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) One thing that we did learn today is that there appears to be plenty of room inside the splashers for P4 wheel sets. This is a set of 14mm coach wheels used just to show the width available. It might look a little tight, but there was at least 1mm or more of 'wiggle room'. Edited October 24, 2018 by Captain Kernow 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hi Tom, The following CV changes will assist with the operation of the 14xx's coreless motor on DCC. CV5 to 255 CV6 to128 CV49 to17 CV51 to 0 CV52 to 0 CV53 to 140 CV54 to 40 CV55 to 28 CV56 to 255 CV124 to 4 These are set by us as standard as part of our DCC fitting services on these models but can also be changed on most Digital controllers. Cheers Dave Thanks Dave Well I ordered at lunchtime so fingers crossed. I also went DCC fitted so that’s good the CVs will be set. If everything works fine, the 14xx will be converted to a 58xx with the removal of auto gear. Why not buy one Hattons 58xx? Well Hattons have done all there’s without top feeds and 5811 had a top feed. As I say, fingers crossed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 Well Hattons have done all there’s without top feeds and 5811 had a top feed. Hi Tom - some of the Hattons models do have top feeds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 (edited) Hi Tom - some of the Hattons models do have top feeds.Hi Tim Their 14xxs do but when I’d previously checker, all there 58xx models are minus top feed. My airfix body and comet chassis will be 5810 and hopefully this one will be 5811. Edited October 24, 2018 by 9793 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul_sterling Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 One here on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hattons-Class-14xx-0-4-2-in-BR-Lined-Green-With-Early-Emblem/392152201472?hash=item5b4e17b900:g:I2EAAOSwihVbyx6v:rk:1:pf:0 Do you risk it? I think it will sell, but I can't help but wonder if the "engine has not been run" is a get-out clause for any shortcomings. Paul. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 One here on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hattons-Class-14xx-0-4-2-in-BR-Lined-Green-With-Early-Emblem/392152201472?hash=item5b4e17b900:g:I2EAAOSwihVbyx6v:rk:1:pf:0 Do you risk it? I think it will sell, but I can't help but wonder if the "engine has not been run" is a get-out clause for any shortcomings. Paul. All mine ...yes all four.....are eBay purchases.I paid a good deal less for them than Hattons retail price. All were intact and in good working order on delivery and remain so.They work.They have a mixed reception from forum members which I understand and respect. BTW ...none of mine had been run,so let's knock that one on the head too. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom F Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 All mine ...yes all four.....are eBay purchases.I paid a good deal less for them than Hattons retail price. All were intact and in good working order on delivery and remain so.They work.They have a mixed reception from forum members which I understand and respect. BTW ...none of mine had been run,so let's knock that one on the head too. I could have purchased one off eBay and had been corresponding with the gentleman, but he was concerned with how his acted on DCC and ultimately if I get another poor one, I can at least send it back and get a replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 These are the personification of buyer beware.... Mine were simply not capable of consistant slow speed performance. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 One here on eBay. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Hattons-Class-14xx-0-4-2-in-BR-Lined-Green-With-Early-Emblem/392152201472?hash=item5b4e17b900:g:I2EAAOSwihVbyx6v:rk:1:pf:0 Do you risk it? Hmm unused may, unopened? Did they come standing on their boxes, I think not Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 57xx Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 24, 2018 Hmm unused may, unopened? Did they come standing on their boxes, I think not Just because he's taken it out to photograph, doesn't mean it has be used. EBay's item conditions are very restrictive: New A brand-new, unused, unopened and undamaged item. See the seller's listing for full details. Used An item that has been previously used. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections. If he's not used/run it, why should he have to list it as "Used"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Pteremy Posted October 24, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2018 Er, because it is not 'unopened'......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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