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Well I've checked with the etchers and I can create replacement drop in plates to work with the recess no problem. They are however going to cost double over plain backed plates. Once I have a body here to confirm the dimensions I'll be able to offer replacements should anyone actually want them. 

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As a vaugely interesting aside to this topic - when the 48xx class was renumbered to the 14xx series in 1946 the new brass numberplates were made at Swindon and sent to the various sheds to be fitted to the locomotives by the local fitters.  Many years ago my late father had a numberplate from 1440 and clearly painted in the recessed back of the plate was 'Exeter' where the engine was allocated at the time of renumbering.  Of course renumbering was simply a case of unbolting the old plate and replacing it with the new one - no redrilling required or fitting it into a recess!  1440 was a long term resident of Exeter shed for working on the much lamented Exe Valley line.  The painted number on the bufferbeams was not always removed or altered and I have a photograph of 1467 at Weymouth in GWR livery in 1947 with 4867 on the front bufferbeam and a 1467 numberplate on the side tank.

 

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Out of interest, did the GWR have some kind of template in Swindon Works when fitting the numberplates to the real thing, to ensure that they always went in exactly the same place on each loco? Or was there a degree of 'hit and miss', with the precise positioning of plates varying just slightly between locos?

Ask yourself the bigger question, just how closely did any build of steam locos conform to the specified dimensions? I have been told by a man who was a premium apprentice to Bulleid at Inchicore that variation in length of frames was of the order of an inch on any given class of locos, standard error of about 0.05%. Never having been into a working steam loco erecting shop I haven't collected the data myself.

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1467 also featured in that condition on page 155 of the Wild Swan 'Abbotsbury Branch'.

 

It is the same photo which I supplied when the book was published all those years ago.  The photo was taken by Jim Russell of Banbury and later the same day he travelled to Abbotsbury and Portesham where he took a good number of detail photos along the line.  I rather think he must have driven from Weymouth as he wouldn't have been able to take the quantity of photos and ride on the train.  Later on his motor tour of Dorset he visited Bridport where he took a lovely set of photos at Bridport and West Bay stations with the engines, carriages and structures all in GWR livery just prior to nationalisation - lovely!

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Ask yourself the bigger question, just how closely did any build of steam locos conform to the specified dimensions? I have been told by a man who was a premium apprentice to Bulleid at Inchicore that variation in length of frames was of the order of an inch on any given class of locos, standard error of about 0.05%. Never having been into a working steam loco erecting shop I haven't collected the data myself.

 

My work involves me machining parts for various steam locomotive projects or for maintenance. We are lucky enough to have original drawings for some engines but it's not unknown to have trouble fitting parts that are made 'to drawing' by accurate modern methods, often those involving a 'pitch circle'.

 

Thinking about this it's not surprising. Imagine a dimly lit machine shop, a tradesman who needed glasses but couldn't afford them (no NHS remember) using equipment which needed more skill to use than many items which are easily available today. We've noticed that some loco works were better than others (I'm not going to start a war by suggesting which!) Having said that there was some marvellous, highly skilled work carried out 'back in the day'.

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Out of interest have you tried a 'haulage' test on it to see what the locos maximum load is?

 

 

Well, it can certainly handle two autocoaches.

 

It looks absolutely superb. Seems to run nice and smoothly, hopefully that will be replicated on the production models and a really nice, slow crawl will be possible, too.

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Thanks for the welcome guys - its great to be here and glad to see the locos going down well.

 

Nick, I've only tested the loco solo and with one and two Autocoaches (Bachmann Hawksworth & Hornby Collett) so far. I'll put a haulage test in my diary and let you know the results - i'll have a quiet word with the team here to see if we can build a bigger test track first....

Cheers,

Dave

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Hi all,

 

Here's a video of our running sample of the 14xx taken earlier today. We're really pleased with how this is performing (as I type its accumulating mileage on a dedicated test track) with a driving quality matching the level of detail on the loco itself.

 

Let us know what you think!

 

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

Looking good. I fear the one I have on pre-order may not be enough...........

 

Regards

 

John

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Welcome to the forum Dave. Glad to see Hattons taking a more direct approach to the forums postings. The 14xx looks fantastic. i wasn't originally planning on getting any but I think that may change. If such a diminutive locomotive can look so good, it bodes very well for the King.

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Hi all,

As promised, I undertook a few haulage tests this morning with the 14xx. It handled 5 Bachmann Mk1s perfectly well but I couldn't resist missing the photo opportunity below - shades of the Dawlish Donkey with 1450 perhaps?

 

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Dave

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shades of the Dawlish Donkey with 1450 perhaps?

 

Yes, definitely! It looks really good. I placed my order purely on the strength of the information here on RMWeb.

 

Talking of the Dawlish Donkey, here's our P4 rendition of it with my kit-built 1451, posed on the late lamented 'Matford' built by John Farmer (Re6/6 on here) and Peter Archard.

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Hi all,

With testing of the running sample continuing, Dave Mylett has produced colour layouts for the 14xx's, 48xx's and 58xx's and I have helped him check and verify them all. Full-size versions are available to download from the stock detail pages (linked below each image) and the models can be pre-ordered at https://www.ehattons.com/14xx

We're really keen to hear what you think on these!

 

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H1401Class 48xx 0-4-2 4825 in GWR Unlined green with Great Western lettering

 

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H1402Class 58xx 0-4-2 5814 in GWR Unlined green with Great Western lettering - Lightly weathered

 

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H1403Class 48xx 0-4-2 4871 in GWR Unlined green with Shirtbutton logo - Lightly weathered

 

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H1404 - Class 58xx 0-4-2 5808 in GWR Unlined green with Shirtbutton logo

 

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H1405 - Class 48xx 0-4-2 4807 in GWR Wartime black with G W R lettering - Lightly weathered

 

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H1406 - Class 14xx 0-4-2 1420 in GWR Unlined green with G W R lettering

 

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H1407Class 58xx 0-4-2 5802 in GWR Unlined green with G W R lettering - Lightly weathered

 

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H1408Class 58xx 0-4-2 5816 in BR Lined black with BRITISH RAILWAYS (Gill Sans)

 

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H1409Class 14xx 0-4-2 1470 in BR Lined black with early emblem

 

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H1410 - Class 58xx 0-4-2 5819 in BR Unlined black with early emblem

 

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H1411Class 58xx 0-4-2 5801 in BR Unlined green with G W R lettering - Lightly weathered

 

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H1412Class 14xx 0-4-2 1474 in BR Unlined black with early emblem - Heavily weathered

 

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H1413 - Class 14xx 0-4-2 1444 in BR Lined green with early emblem

 

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H1414 - Class 14xx 0-4-2 1450 in BR Lined green with late crest

 

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H1415 - Class 14xx 0-4-2 1432 in BR Lined green with late crest - Heavily weathered

 

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H1416 - Class 14xx 0-4-2 1409 in BR Unlined green with late crest

 

Cheers!

Dave

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Looking good. But these images raise a question about H1414, No 1450 with BR late crest. The image posted above and on the individual product page on ehattons show the loco with top feed, whereas Dave Mylett's full colour layout shows it without. I presume this model will NOT have top feed as previously advertised?

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Looking good. But these images raise a question about H1414, No 1450 with BR late crest. The image posted above and on the individual product page on ehattons show the loco with top feed, whereas Dave Mylett's full colour layout shows it without. I presume this model will NOT have top feed as previously advertised?

 

Well spotted! Apologies, this will be supplied without Top Feed and the images will match this shortly. Thanks for picking that up - its a file saving issue on the website (and RMweb) pictures only.

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

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They look fantastic Dave. Will the lightly weathered ones have that cleaned oily sheen to it?

We're intending for the lightly weathered examples to be 'oily rag cleaned' as per our sample of J94 68012 of which there's a few photos in the J94 / Austerity thread.

 

As for the heavily weathered examples, these will be modelled as per their final years in service prior to withdrawl. We've got a pile of reference photos of weathered 14xx's here but this one on Flickr has always appealed to me (a 14xx with a Class 1 headcode!) as well as providing a handy visual reference for the level of weathering intended.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6216815700/

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

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We're intending for the lightly weathered examples to be 'oily rag cleaned' as per our sample of J94 68012 of which there's a few photos in the J94 / Austerity thread.

 

As for the heavily weathered examples, these will be modelled as per their final years in service prior to withdrawl. We've got a pile of reference photos of weathered 14xx's here but this one on Flickr has always appealed to me (a 14xx with a Class 1 headcode!) as well as providing a handy visual reference for the level of weathering intended.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/david_christie/6216815700/

 

Cheers,

 

Dave

Thanks for that Dave. Good to know. Looking at the samples for the J94, the oily rag clean effect has been very well captured.

I know this is slightly off topic but will the Lightly weathered King have the same oily rag effect? Having seen the first 14xx EP's I'm looking forward to seeing the first decorated samples. And the King EP of course.

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