Merfyn Jones Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Dated August 1965 at Prestatyn carnival. What is this ?????. Still red and cream so pre 1963. Trailer repainted yellow. Fleet number begins with 71## so that would have been issued in c1965. So must have been a transfer from another region ! Doors hinged at the rear, so not a Scammell or Bantam. Aluminium beading from gutter round the cab back. It's really got me guessing, anybody help please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 9, 2011 Share Posted June 9, 2011 Which sections that in Merf? Sounds like some good flickr finds , but can't view them on 9-5 computer look forward to seeing them toight Ford A series , sure they've been mentioned before. Seen a Ford A Rail Express Parcels box van at Temple Meads in a book pic , first for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted June 9, 2011 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 9, 2011 Dated August 1965 at Prestatyn carnival. What is this ?????. Still red and cream so pre 1963. Trailer repainted yellow. Fleet number begins with 71## so that would have been issued in c1965. So must have been a transfer from another region ! Doors hinged at the rear, so not a Scammell or Bantam. Aluminium beading from gutter round the cab back. It's really got me guessing, anybody help please. http://www.flickr.co.../in/photostream AEC and Thorneycroft both up until the mid 60's did not provide there own cabs. The decorative trim is typical of Park Royal coaches, they also provided cabs for AEC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Dated August 1965 at Prestatyn carnival. What is this ?????. Still red and cream so pre 1963. Trailer repainted yellow. Fleet number begins with 71## so that would have been issued in c1965. So must have been a transfer from another region ! Doors hinged at the rear, so not a Scammell or Bantam. Aluminium beading from gutter round the cab back. It's really got me guessing, anybody help please. I think this is the mystery mechanical horse. JJH991 dating from 1949, photographed in Llandudno (just a few miles from Prestatyn) in 1953 with the mobile enquiry office. Looks to be possibly an electric 4 wheel horse, but what was it ? An experimental prototype maybe ? The fleet number may have changed if it moved from the service to the goods fleet. Photograph from British Railways Magazine. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissixties Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 A few more flickr finds, one of them a mystery. Firstly a shot round the back of Birkenhead Hamilton Square station, with a Commer PB minibus, a FG crew bus, a Terrier or Dodge crew bus, a Dodge relayers bus and a Transit minibus (looks like a GAL-V reg of 1979) Doncaster 1978 by Brian Daniels, with 2 Commer PB minibuses, a TK dropside, 2 FG crew buses and a Terrier. This yard often features in Deltic etc pictures with an interesting collection in the background. London 1954 near the Monument (Billingsgate ?) On the left a LMR Scarab (LAR reg) and on the right 2 mechanical horses, the nearest BGY312, HD 6870 E with a similar one behind. A Freight Rover Sherpa with a high roof conversion, the best view I have seen of one. Dated August 1965 at Prestatyn carnival. What is this ?????. Still red and cream so pre 1963. Trailer repainted yellow. Fleet number begins with 71## so that would have been issued in c1965. So must have been a transfer from another region ! Doors hinged at the rear, so not a Scammell or Bantam. Aluminium beading from gutter round the cab back. It's really got me guessing, anybody help please. Woops ! link missing . SEE BELOW A Townsman in London with the St. Pancras based trailer in the Inter Station parcels livery. Merf. p s Should we move to the Road Vehicle groups section ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissixties Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 In answer to your last question - I really would urge you not to move this to the Road Vehicles thread. Nothing against the Road Vehicle Group but I would suggest that this section draws in a wider audience, and the more people viewing and participating the better. You never know where obscure gems might come from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevblokey Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 A bit of time wasting on FlickR... Scotrail Moggy 1 http://www.flickr.co...N08/5238001622/ Scotrail Moggy 2 http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ Bantam & trailer undergoing restoration 1 http://www.flickr.co...N05/4315431941/ Gateshead Scarab http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ Bantam & trailer undergoing restoration 2 http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ Bantam & trailer undergoing restoration 3 http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ Daf re-railing unit http://www.flickr.co...ler/5450315370/ Sherpa @ Knottingley http://www.flickr.co...006/3087852446/ Weathering! http://www.flickr.co...dzb/3084323825/ Sorry if any have appeared before, I don't believe they have but then again... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 In answer to your last question - I really would urge you not to move this to the Road Vehicles thread. Nothing against the Road Vehicle Group but I would suggest that this section draws in a wider audience, and the more people viewing and participating the better. You never know where obscure gems might come from. I don't think it's up to me. I feel all should have a decision on it. As I did not start the thread. So far, one against, 2 in favour of going into the groups. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Which sections that in Merf? Sounds like some good flickr finds , but can't view them on 9-5 computer look forward to seeing them toight Ford A series , sure they've been mentioned before. Seen a Ford A Rail Express Parcels box van at Temple Meads in a book pic , first for me. Hi jcb Ford A series !. I have not come across that before, would love to see the photo (PM ?) The only pictures of A series Fords with BR I have come across were some box van/crew bus bodies for overhead line maintainence on the Woodhead route. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 I don't think it's up to me. I feel all should have a decision on it. As I did not start the thread. So far, one against, 2 in favour of going into the groups. Merf. Since I did start the thread I suppose that this is my prerogative, but I have no particular cant on this. Three views aren't really representative however. Over to you chaps. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ringo Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 Hi, I follow this thread a lot, as I do have an interest in the road vehicles side of railway modelling. If it were to split from here, my own view would be the following: Vehicles pre 1970,-pre yellow van Vehicles post 1970 to Privatisation, yellow van era Vehicles Post Privatisation, you name what ever colour van era! I dont have much interest in pre 70s, but am an avid follower of the BR Yellow fleet, and some degree the post privatisation years too. I dont know how manageable that would be , but at least its another opinion. Cheers Ringo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 13, 2011 Share Posted June 13, 2011 As a thread with a very similar set of stats (posts and views) to the backbone Waverley Route topic that I've had a major hand in, I would strongly recommend migrating to Groups. I very nearly sent Merf a PM to that effect the other week! Apologies to both you and Adam, I simply thought it was reflecting where the thrust and direction was coming through from in the day-to-day evolution of the thread. There's certainly plenty of interest in this field, and it could sensibly support a suite of threads dedicated across eras but also into vehicle genres. For example Mechanical Horses, Rail Express Parcels, Cranes and Crewbuses etc, etc... The real and model aspects could also be emphasised more within their own respective sub-threads. Just my tuppence-worth, but for the benefit and advantages available, I'd say yes with no hesitation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 14, 2011 Share Posted June 14, 2011 Scuse my lack of knowledge, but what and where is the 'Road Vehicle Group'? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 15, 2011 Share Posted June 15, 2011 Hi jcb Ford A series !. I have not come across that before, would love to see the photo (PM ?) The only pictures of A series Fords with BR I have come across were some box van/crew bus bodies for overhead line maintainence on the Woodhead route. Merf. 1. Ford A series -in the book 'Rail Centres Bristol' by Colin Maggs ( buttons on Amazon 2nd hand) there is a picture of a line of six Commer/Dodge walk thrus (newest T reg so 1979 on)and in the middle is a Ford A series box van looks like P reg, all in Parcel Express livery. I'll try and PM a scan Merf 2. In this months 'Steam Days'mag there is a picture of Yeovil with a yellow liveried Commer BF van in the background.(and ET6/Loadstar in red/cream. 3. The mystery mechanical horse, gut feeling only but it looks a bit like a Seddon to me like this- http://truck-photos.net.s3.amazonaws.com/3399.jpg Reminds of the Budgietoys AA Mobile Control room based on a real vehicle but diferent cab detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted June 16, 2011 Author Share Posted June 16, 2011 2. In this months 'Steam Days'mag there is a picture of Yeovil with a yellow liveried Commer BF van in the background.(and ET6/Loadstar in red/cream. I've seen that picture and it's almost certainly a Loadstar - the same vehicle crops up in the back of dozens of shots from that period and other shots show it clearly for what it is. I haven't yet seen one close enough to make out the number/registration though. Yeovil definitely had some ET6s but these were mostly integral vans from the pictures I've seen (none that I can post, unfortunately...). Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 16, 2011 Share Posted June 16, 2011 Hi Adam Didn't word my post very well but in mag pic you can see a Loadstar and a Fordson ET6. The Commer BF panel van in yellow interested me because I've only seen red/cream ones previously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 18, 2011 Share Posted June 18, 2011 Hi Adam Didn't word my post very well but in mag pic you can see a Loadstar and a Fordson ET6. The Commer BF panel van in yellow interested me because I've only seen red/cream ones previously. The yellow Commer BF solves the fact that those vans we saw in red and cream were parcel vehicles not engineers. The engineers had many BF minibuses which have been seen in green livery as well as red and cream. jcb, the groups section can be found from the home page, one of Andy,s newer ideas. Merf, (long way from home discovering the Southern Railway.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Looking in Smiths magazine library , this months Steam Days has a colour pic of a green FG crewbus at Micheldelver. Have a real picture of the AA Seddon in one of my books and even more convinced the mystery mechanical horse is one. The box art on the budgie model is a lot more realistic than the actual model inside !!. - Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Who is this, extreme stage left: http://www.railbrit.co.uk/imageenlarge/imagecomplete2.php?id=34574 I saw a green one in an edition of The Sweeney yesterday morning, it's a Bedford of some description I'm pretty sure. But I always confuse this type with the BRS Noddy. Help me out lads. PS: tidy pre-TOPS Class 46 BFYE at Waverley, if anyone's interested. What a photo! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Yes definetly a Bedford with Hawson body and they performed the same function as the BRS noddy vans ,door to door deliveries, with walk through cabs. Love watching the Sweeney is this the one ? http://imcdb.org/vehicle_74416-Bedford-J2.html 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrissixties Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 There is a great photo in Ian Allan's Railway Owned Commercial Vehicles of a row of Scarabs being repaired over a special inspection pit at King's Cross in 1957. It has made me think this kind of facility might make a great subject for a model to show off a whole range of railway vehicles, being repaired, re-painted etc. But apart from this one photo does anyone have any other images or details of repair shops of facilities where a range of vehicles might have been worked on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted June 20, 2011 Share Posted June 20, 2011 Yes definetly a Bedford with Hawson body and they performed the same function as the BRS noddy vans ,door to door deliveries, with walk through cabs. Love watching the Sweeney is this the one ? http://imcdb.org/veh...Bedford-J2.html Aye, she's the girl. 1967/8 (?) F-reg. End sequence was in a London rail-served coal yard amongst the 16-tonners. Awesome! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 In this very recent pic of Thornaby yard there is an older type crewbus lurking on the left with EWS?, Dodge ? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/38452-thornaby-tmd-no-more Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 In this very recent pic of Thornaby yard there is an older type crewbus lurking on the left with EWS?, Dodge ? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/38452-thornaby-tmd-no-more Yes one of a number of Dodge G08 long wheelbase recovery vans produced c1978-80 for depots who had no breakdown train (Holyhead had a W reg. one) or to make a callout cheaper than using the train for minor derailments. These were in 1984/5 suplemented by the well known Bedford / Bruff road rail units. A few went to EWS with the depots and we had one on Google Earth at Reading depot. Merf (Back home from darn sarth) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted June 26, 2011 Share Posted June 26, 2011 Thanks for info Merf.Might see if Dodge is still there as close to me. Being catching up on the flickr pictures, like the atmospheric Billingsgate one , is that a blue Vulcan in centre ? and also the Doncaster one , plenty of yellow vehicles and rail wagons full of Doncaster built International tractors. Think i've found a pic of the elusive British Rail MK1 Escort van,watch this space ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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