divibandit Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Jcb, Nearest I can find is this one taken at Mid Hants last year, it's a mobile Ticket Office Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted November 24, 2010 Share Posted November 24, 2010 Good models Merf, has the Oxford BR caravan got any relation to any thing in 1.1 scale? Yes there was A caravan, but - Copyright photo, British Railways Magazine (ceased publication 1963) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Cracking pic. Well considering the Oxford van seems to be a straight copy of the old Matchbox 'hot dog' van' its not that dissimilar to the BR van specially round the wheel arches. Wonder how Oxford got to know of such a rarity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 25, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2010 Well considering the Oxford van seems to be a straight copy of the old Matchbox 'hot dog' van' its not that dissimilar specially round the wheel arches. They have some similarities but also many differences. The serving hatch is completely different and the Matchbox van is far narrower. The Matchbox trailer has a great deal of internal detail even down to kitchen utensils hanging on the wall! They can be found at swapmeets very cheaply and do well from a repaint and addition of details such as figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Yes Phil its a fine model the Matchbox one , perhaps 'straight copy' wasn't the right term like many sixties Matchboxes the casting detail is superb for a pocket money toy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 Cracking pic. Wonder how Oxford got to know of such a rarity! I wonder ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 That Bedford MK is a fine machine, registered in Brighton. Strange no markings to which force. MKs were available to others as well as the military although the late registration number would indicate it being demobed. Merf. A lot of MKs were used by Regional Electricity Boards, Post Office Telephones etc for jobs such as post-boring and replacement, 'hot-wire' line crews etc. Whilst nominally 'ex-military', most had been stored from new at dêpots such as Marchington; the vehicles they replaced were normally various older Bedfords of similar origin (RS?), and their replacements were often Unimogs. The MKs often went on to a third life for operations like geotechnical survey teams, tree surgeons etc. At one time, I recollect ex-MoD vehicles had 'Q' plates- when did that change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted November 25, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 25, 2010 A lot of MKs were used by Regional Electricity Boards, Post Office Telephones etc for jobs such as post-boring and replacement, 'hot-wire' line crews etc. Whilst nominally 'ex-military', most had been stored from new at dêpots such as Marchington; the vehicles they replaced were normally various older Bedfords of similar origin (RS?), and their replacements were often Unimogs. The MKs often went on to a third life for operations like geotechnical survey teams, tree surgeons etc. At one time, I recollect ex-MoD vehicles had 'Q' plates- when did that change? 'Q' plates usually indicate an ex-military truck. If such a vehicle has a normal registration as in the photograph it was probably issued from new and it never was a military vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted November 25, 2010 Share Posted November 25, 2010 The Bedford M series 4x4s with the public services were ususally bran new civilian models, no expense spared with taxpayers money for specialist vehicles! The DVLA changed to giving age related plates sometime ago . Q plates still issued for vehicles that cannot be dated . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevblokey Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Back to the models for a change, a couple of recent projects, a chance to try out a new camera. Many second hand buses and coaches were bought in the 50s and 60s to transport staff, mainly the larger P Way. gangs. I still cringe to see layouts at shows with buses in B R livery picking up passengers at stations. Many were repainted but not all, so when I saw a EFE Bedford OB in tilling red livery, cheap. I have a photo of GAX189 in original livery with the totems added, new in 1947 and aquired by B R in 1957 based at Reading. Alongside one of the repainted ones as done by EFE and Corgi, 276 W based at Shrewsbury. Merf. In case is interested in seeing the prototype and others http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/30794964@N03/3137256641/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/30794964@N03/3138083866/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/30794964@N03/3137256437/in/photostream/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 In case is interested in seeing the prototype and others Those are the same pictures of the OBs that I have prints of, don't know who took them but I have had them for years. Probably the same ones that EFE & Corgi used. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Posted December 7, 2010 Share Posted December 7, 2010 Prior to 1983, military vehicles released for civilian use, took the number plate relative to the year of first civilian registration, In 1982 I bought a 1973 build lightweight Land Rover on a Y (1982) plate. In 1983 the Q plate was used for any older vehicles taking their first civilian registration. This included kit cars, ex military vehicles and vehicles identified as being stolen and being re-registered when the original identity was uncertain. Later, I'm not sure when, where possible, older vehicles were given registrations relative to their year of build. My current, 1976, ex army ,forward control Land Rover was given an R (1976) plate when I first registered it in 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVLR Dave Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 As Arthur says The Q plate was introduced in August 1983 but the other change he mentioned took place at the same time i.e. age related registrations for previously unregistered vehicles known to have been built after 1964. If an ex military vehicle was known to have been bult in 1974, it would have been allocated the apropriate letter for that year. If the vehicle was kit built or of uncertain age it received a Q registration. Pre 1964 vehicles where the original identity could not be proved, or where the vehicle was imported, received numbers in the *SV*** series (although other combinations of previously unissued numbers have been used since). 1930 and earlier vehicle were issued with a BS**** series numbers. I seem to remember a lot of recovery vehicle receiving Q plates when they were no longer allowed to operate on trade plates-many could have been accurately dated, but presumably the paperwork wasn't around and a year letter not impotant to the owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted December 8, 2010 Share Posted December 8, 2010 Before the Q plates came out i seem to remember cars got the suffix letter of the year they were registered . Definetly remember a lot of Morris Minor Travellers sold off by the army in 70's carrying R and P registrations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Few more glimpses Artic Austin FFK? and TK 3.20 mins http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=73018 NCL Ford D artic 45sec http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=72984 Scarab 20sec http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=56931 Karrier Doncaster 1961 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442786&wwwflag=2&imagepos=164 Karrier Peterborough 1961 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442795&wwwflag=2&imagepos=168 Smart chap ! good pics of the new 1964 Railfreight yellow Scammell livery not sure about the new uniform! http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438988 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438987 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438989&wwwflag=2&imagepos=7 another Coles http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10451284&wwwflag=2&imagepos=236 Load of Dodge parcel vans Wolverhampton 1977 ,well known pic but what is the van facing the camera on the left next to the tractor unit , it looks different to the Dodges. http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/w/wolverhampton_low_level/index6.shtml Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Artic Austin FFK? and TK 3.20 mins NCL Ford D artic 45sec Scarab 20sec Karrier Doncaster 1961 Karrier Peterborough 1961 Smart chap ! good pics of the new 1964 Railfreight yellow Scammell livery not sure about the new uniform! another Coles Load of Dodge parcel vans Wolverhampton 1977 ,well known pic but what is the van facing the camera on the left next to the tractor unit , it looks different to the Dodges. Yet again some more facinating glimpses. I can add a few comments. The Morris FFK tractor unit, probably one of a batch of vehicles bought by the Western Region in late 1963, reg. ###EYX these were delivered in yellow. The Ford D unit in NCL livery, this looks to be a bit larger than the very common D300 (3ton) units. The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region. The front end of the Karrier Bantam is one of the coachbuilt bodies made at Temple Mills wagon works. The older Karrier Bantam looks like one of those transfered from the LMS/LMR to the Eastern. Well the new uniform, I'm sure a lot of people were glad that wasn't adopted ! The Coles crane, a North Eastern one ? Could that be Newcastle Freight Depot ? Wolverhampton, looks different to the other Commer Walkthru vans but I think these were coachbuilt bodies judging from the variation seen (differing roof heights, cab front slopes and roof clear glass fibre panels) and just another variation on the Commer. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Thanks for timeous reply Merf , haven't seen many Morris FFK artics. I thought the parcel van looked a bit like one of them current UPS vans. Didn't the uniform get into use then , rather liked it has a Gestapo/Village People/ Austrian postman feel Assume the railfreight livery did get in to use though. Any way while on a roll heres some more from science and society , their search function works in mysterious ways ! Strange BR crane ?1961 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442993&wwwflag=2&imagepos=153 Nice CEGB Scammell and back end of a BR Ford E83W ? http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442997&wwwflag=2&imagepos=154 BR Bedford TK artic 1961 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442991&wwwflag=2&imagepos=151 BR Seddon artic freightliner container 1968 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10443016&wwwflag=2&imagepos=168 http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10443017&wwwflag=2&imagepos=169 Scarab http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10451293&wwwflag=2&imagepos=66 lner Horsebox , make ? don’t recognize the radiator http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10322553&wwwflag=2&imagepos=2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted December 10, 2010 Author Share Posted December 10, 2010 Thanks for timeous reply Merf , haven't seen many Morris FFK artics. I thought the parcel van looked a bit like one of them current UPS vans. At least one of those artics (perhaps two or more), seem to have ended up in use in Somerset. There's one at Glastonbury and Street in the Michael Welch colour volume on the Somerset and Dorset and another appears in the background of several '60s shots of Yeovil Town and Hendford Goods that I've seen over the years so they certainly got about! Thanks for unearthing these JCB. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DVLR Dave Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 The horsebox looks like an Albion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 10, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2010 Strange BR crane ?1961 http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=153 Nice CEGB Scammell and back end of a BR Ford E83W ? http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=154 BR Bedford TK artic 1961 http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=151 BR Seddon artic freightliner container 1968 http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=168 http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=169 Scarab http://www.sciencean...g=2&imagepos=66 lner Horsebox , make ? don’t recognize the radiator http://www.sciencean...ag=2&imagepos=2 The van in the second picture is indeed a Ford E93A. The LNER horsebox is an Albion, this is the one modelled by Oxford in N scale. Many of these were used as NFS hose layers during the war and very few were returned to the railway companies, The LNER only got one or two returned, the Southern lost the lot! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merfyn Jones Posted December 10, 2010 Share Posted December 10, 2010 Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me. The odd crane, never seen anything like it before. The horseboxes, there were 2 Albion Valkyre CX9, BT 0100/1, and 5 Albion Victor PK115, BS 0100-4, with Harrington bodies, delivered in 1939 all for the North East division of the LNER. I had not heard of the use by the NFS but one or more was damaged by the blitz at York, so after the war it looks like there had to be a complete replacment of the fleet. That would account for the batch of Maudslays delivered in 1948-50. So only the LNER had these Albions, and the Oxford models in any other companies colours are wrong. As is the Corgi Maudslay in LMS or GWR colour. Merf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 10, 2010 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 10, 2010 I can't be certain but I think the crane may be a Ransomes product. The jib did not slew but was slewed by turning the whole machine. They were electric or petrol/diesel-electric powered. An earlier example with solid tyres is preserved at the Ipswich Transport Museum. The horseboxes used by the NFS were returned to their owners about 1941, possibly they were found to be unsuitable. The Southern boxes were on Bedford and Fordson chassis. The Lancashire Constabulary had a very similar vehicle on a Leyland Cub chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Thanks for comments my Xmas bag is now empty The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region. well spotted Merf but fairly sure its a Bedford O, pressed steel cab and them little bonnet handles. Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me. The search facility of Science and Society doesn't bring up pis captioned Lorry when you search 'lorry' ?? but most pics came up when I pressed 'rail freight 'in topics Phil-The Yeovil area Morris FFK 's sound interesting, any links to pics ? Did not know about the NFS use of horseboxes all interesting stuff again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Thanks for comments my Xmas bag is now empty The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region. well spotted Merf but fairly sure its a Bedford O, pressed steel cab and them little bonnet handles. Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me. The search facility of Science and Society doesn't bring up pis captioned Lorry when you search 'lorry' ?? but most pics came up when I pressed 'rail freight 'in topics Phil-The Yeovil area Morris FFK 's sound interesting, any links to pics ? Did not know about the NFS use of horseboxes all interesting stuff again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcb 3c Posted December 13, 2010 Share Posted December 13, 2010 Thanks for comments my Xmas bag is now empty The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region. well spotted Merf but fairly sure its a Bedford O, pressed steel cab and them little bonnet handles. Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me. The search facility of Science and Society doesn't bring up pis captioned Lorry when you search 'lorry' ?? but most pics came up when I pressed 'rail freight 'in topics Phil-The Yeovil area Morris FFK 's sound interesting, any links to pics ? Did not know about the NFS use of horseboxes all interesting stuff again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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