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Cracking pic. Well considering the Oxford van seems to be a straight copy of the old Matchbox 'hot dog' van' its not that dissimilar to the BR van :rolleyes: specially round the wheel arches. Wonder how Oxford got to know of such a rarity!

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Well considering the Oxford van seems to be a straight copy of the old Matchbox 'hot dog' van' its not that dissimilar :rolleyes: specially round the wheel arches.

They have some similarities but also many differences. The serving hatch is completely different and the Matchbox van is far narrower. The Matchbox trailer has a great deal of internal detail even down to kitchen utensils hanging on the wall! They can be found at swapmeets very cheaply and do well from a repaint and addition of details such as figures.
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That Bedford MK is a fine machine, registered in Brighton. Strange no markings to which force. MKs were available to others as well as the military although the late registration number would indicate it being demobed.

 

Merf.

A lot of MKs were used by Regional Electricity Boards, Post Office Telephones etc for jobs such as post-boring and replacement, 'hot-wire' line crews etc. Whilst nominally 'ex-military', most had been stored from new at dêpots such as Marchington; the vehicles they replaced were normally various older Bedfords of similar origin (RS?), and their replacements were often Unimogs. The MKs often went on to a third life for operations like geotechnical survey teams, tree surgeons etc.

At one time, I recollect ex-MoD vehicles had 'Q' plates- when did that change?

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A lot of MKs were used by Regional Electricity Boards, Post Office Telephones etc for jobs such as post-boring and replacement, 'hot-wire' line crews etc. Whilst nominally 'ex-military', most had been stored from new at dêpots such as Marchington; the vehicles they replaced were normally various older Bedfords of similar origin (RS?), and their replacements were often Unimogs. The MKs often went on to a third life for operations like geotechnical survey teams, tree surgeons etc.

At one time, I recollect ex-MoD vehicles had 'Q' plates- when did that change?

'Q' plates usually indicate an ex-military truck. If such a vehicle has a normal registration as in the photograph it was probably issued from new and it never was a military vehicle.
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The Bedford M series 4x4s with the public services were ususally bran new civilian models, no expense spared with taxpayers money for specialist vehicles! The DVLA changed to giving age related plates sometime ago . Q plates still issued for vehicles that cannot be dated .

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Back to the models for a change, a couple of recent projects, a chance to try out a new camera.

Many second hand buses and coaches were bought in the 50s and 60s to transport staff, mainly the larger P Way. gangs. I still cringe to see layouts at shows with buses in B R livery picking up passengers at stations. Many were repainted but not all, so when I saw a EFE Bedford OB in tilling red livery, cheap. I have a photo of GAX189 in original livery with the totems added, new in 1947 and aquired by B R in 1957 based at Reading.

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Alongside one of the repainted ones as done by EFE and Corgi, 276 W based at Shrewsbury.

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Merf.

 

In case is interested in seeing the prototype and others

 

http://www.flickr.co...in/photostream/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30794964@N03/3137256641/in/photostream/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30794964@N03/3138083866/in/photostream/

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/30794964@N03/3137256437/in/photostream/

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Prior to 1983, military vehicles released for civilian use, took the number plate relative to the year of first civilian registration, In 1982 I bought a 1973 build lightweight Land Rover on a Y (1982) plate. In 1983 the Q plate was used for any older vehicles taking their first civilian registration. This included kit cars, ex military vehicles and vehicles identified as being stolen and being re-registered when the original identity was uncertain. Later, I'm not sure when, where possible, older vehicles were given registrations relative to their year of build. My current, 1976, ex army ,forward control Land Rover was given an R (1976) plate when I first registered it in 2000.

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As Arthur says The Q plate was introduced in August 1983 but the other change he mentioned took place at the same time i.e. age related registrations for previously unregistered vehicles known to have been built after 1964.

If an ex military vehicle was known to have been bult in 1974, it would have been allocated the apropriate letter for that year. If the vehicle was kit built or of uncertain age it received a Q registration.

Pre 1964 vehicles where the original identity could not be proved, or where the vehicle was imported, received numbers in the *SV*** series (although other combinations of previously unissued numbers have been used since). 1930 and earlier vehicle were issued with a BS**** series numbers.

 

I seem to remember a lot of recovery vehicle receiving Q plates when they were no longer allowed to operate on trade plates-many could have been accurately dated, but presumably the paperwork wasn't around and a year letter not impotant to the owner.

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Before the Q plates came out i seem to remember cars got the suffix letter of the year they were registered . Definetly remember a lot of Morris Minor Travellers sold off by the army in 70's carrying R and P registrations.

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Few more glimpses :)

 

Artic Austin FFK? and TK 3.20 mins

 

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=73018

 

 

 

NCL Ford D artic 45sec

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=72984

 

 

Scarab 20sec

 

 

http://www.britishpathe.com/record.php?id=56931

 

 

Karrier Doncaster 1961

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442786&wwwflag=2&imagepos=164

 

Karrier Peterborough 1961

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442795&wwwflag=2&imagepos=168

 

 

Smart chap ! good pics of the new 1964 Railfreight yellow Scammell livery not sure about the new uniform!

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438988

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438987

 

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10438989&wwwflag=2&imagepos=7

 

 

 

another Coles

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10451284&wwwflag=2&imagepos=236

 

Load of Dodge parcel vans Wolverhampton 1977 ,well known pic but what is the van facing the camera on the left next to the tractor unit , it looks different to the Dodges.

 

http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/w/wolverhampton_low_level/index6.shtml

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Artic Austin FFK? and TK 3.20 mins

 

NCL Ford D artic 45sec

 

Scarab 20sec

 

Karrier Doncaster 1961

 

Karrier Peterborough 1961

 

Smart chap ! good pics of the new 1964 Railfreight yellow Scammell livery not sure about the new uniform!

 

another Coles

 

Load of Dodge parcel vans Wolverhampton 1977 ,well known pic but what is the van facing the camera on the left next to the tractor unit , it looks different to the Dodges.

 

Yet again some more facinating glimpses. I can add a few comments.

The Morris FFK tractor unit, probably one of a batch of vehicles bought by the Western Region in late 1963, reg. ###EYX these were delivered in yellow.

The Ford D unit in NCL livery, this looks to be a bit larger than the very common D300 (3ton) units.

The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region.

The front end of the Karrier Bantam is one of the coachbuilt bodies made at Temple Mills wagon works.

The older Karrier Bantam looks like one of those transfered from the LMS/LMR to the Eastern.

Well the new uniform, I'm sure a lot of people were glad that wasn't adopted !

The Coles crane, a North Eastern one ? Could that be Newcastle Freight Depot ?

Wolverhampton, looks different to the other Commer Walkthru vans but I think these were coachbuilt bodies judging from the variation seen (differing roof heights, cab front slopes and roof clear glass fibre panels) and just another variation on the Commer.

Merf.

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Thanks for timeous reply Merf :) , haven't seen many Morris FFK artics. I thought the parcel van looked a bit like one of them current UPS vans.

Didn't the uniform get into use then , rather liked it has a Gestapo/Village People/ Austrian postman feel :D Assume the railfreight livery did get in to use though.

Any way while on a roll heres some more from science and society , their search function works in mysterious ways !

Strange BR crane ?1961

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442993&wwwflag=2&imagepos=153

 

 

Nice CEGB Scammell and back end of a BR Ford E83W ?

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442997&wwwflag=2&imagepos=154

 

BR Bedford TK artic 1961

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10442991&wwwflag=2&imagepos=151

 

 

BR Seddon artic freightliner container 1968

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10443016&wwwflag=2&imagepos=168

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10443017&wwwflag=2&imagepos=169

 

Scarab

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10451293&wwwflag=2&imagepos=66

 

 

lner Horsebox , make ? don’t recognize the radiator

 

http://www.scienceandsociety.co.uk/results.asp?image=10322553&wwwflag=2&imagepos=2

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Thanks for timeous reply Merf :) , haven't seen many Morris FFK artics. I thought the parcel van looked a bit like one of them current UPS vans.

 

At least one of those artics (perhaps two or more), seem to have ended up in use in Somerset. There's one at Glastonbury and Street in the Michael Welch colour volume on the Somerset and Dorset and another appears in the background of several '60s shots of Yeovil Town and Hendford Goods that I've seen over the years so they certainly got about! Thanks for unearthing these JCB.

 

Adam

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Strange BR crane ?1961

 

http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=153

 

 

Nice CEGB Scammell and back end of a BR Ford E83W ?

 

http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=154

 

BR Bedford TK artic 1961

 

http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=151

 

 

BR Seddon artic freightliner container 1968

 

http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=168

 

http://www.sciencean...=2&imagepos=169

 

Scarab

 

http://www.sciencean...g=2&imagepos=66

 

 

lner Horsebox , make ? don’t recognize the radiator

 

http://www.sciencean...ag=2&imagepos=2

The van in the second picture is indeed a Ford E93A. The LNER horsebox is an Albion, this is the one modelled by Oxford in N scale. Many of these were used as NFS hose layers during the war and very few were returned to the railway companies, The LNER only got one or two returned, the Southern lost the lot!

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Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me.

The odd crane, never seen anything like it before.

The horseboxes, there were 2 Albion Valkyre CX9, BT 0100/1, and 5 Albion Victor PK115, BS 0100-4, with Harrington bodies, delivered in 1939 all for the North East division of the LNER. I had not heard of the use by the NFS but one or more was damaged by the blitz at York, so after the war it looks like there had to be a complete replacment of the fleet. That would account for the batch of Maudslays delivered in 1948-50.

So only the LNER had these Albions, and the Oxford models in any other companies colours are wrong. As is the Corgi Maudslay in LMS or GWR colour.

Merf.

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I can't be certain but I think the crane may be a Ransomes product. The jib did not slew but was slewed by turning the whole machine. They were electric or petrol/diesel-electric powered. An earlier example with solid tyres is preserved at the Ipswich Transport Museum. The horseboxes used by the NFS were returned to their owners about 1941, possibly they were found to be unsuitable. The Southern boxes were on Bedford and Fordson chassis. The Lancashire Constabulary had a very similar vehicle on a Leyland Cub chassis.

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Thanks for comments my Xmas bag is now empty :D

The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region.

well spotted Merf but fairly sure its a Bedford O, pressed steel cab and them little bonnet handles.

 

Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me.

 

The search facility of Science and Society doesn't bring up pis captioned Lorry when you search 'lorry' ?? but most pics came up when I pressed 'rail freight 'in topics

 

Phil-The Yeovil area Morris FFK 's sound interesting, any links to pics ?

 

Did not know about the NFS use of horseboxes all interesting stuff again

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Thanks for comments my Xmas bag is now empty :D

The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region.

well spotted Merf but fairly sure its a Bedford O, pressed steel cab and them little bonnet handles.

 

Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me.

 

The search facility of Science and Society doesn't bring up pis captioned Lorry when you search 'lorry' ?? but most pics came up when I pressed 'rail freight 'in topics

 

Phil-The Yeovil area Morris FFK 's sound interesting, any links to pics ?

 

Did not know about the NFS use of horseboxes all interesting stuff again

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Thanks for comments my Xmas bag is now empty :D

The Scarab, a Midland Region unit, but right at the begining a cab side with number DB 4### which is probably one of the Dennis N116 Ace flats transfered from the LMS to Eastern Region.

well spotted Merf but fairly sure its a Bedford O, pressed steel cab and them little bonnet handles.

 

Some more interesting stuff JCB, twice in one day, you'r spoiling us. I have been on that site too, but I think you have had some more luck than me.

The search facility of Science and Society doesn't bring up pis captioned Lorry when you search 'lorry' ?? but most pics came up when I pressed 'rail freight 'in topics

 

Phil-The Yeovil area Morris FFK 's sound interesting, any links to pics ?

 

Did not know about the NFS use of horseboxes all interesting stuff again

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