RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2014 Perhaps if some kind of test was introduced that you had to demonstrate control and stopping, as well as a few other things, that you had to pass and get a licence, without which you would be legally unable to drive.... Oh wait.... I am sure that driver was capable of keeping that vehicle under control, but chose to drive it in a manner which made that unlikely. And this is the problem, its the drivers attitude to driving that creates the risk of accidents. This is something that is difficult to address, since a driver with a bad attitude can drive perfectly well when he wants to, like passing a driving test or demonstrating that he is OK to take a Ferrari on a test drive, but round the corner and out of sight.... A friend of mine explained how she thinks every one ought to do advanced driver training. She went on to tell that her son did such a course, but his driving is terrible most of the time, except for when he chooses to remember what he learnt! Money wasted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2014 I personal think that cars that engines of over 400BHP should be restricted by some means so the full potential of the engine is not used on public roads. I suspect a typo and it should be 40hp. Maybe we should bring back the days of a guy walking in front, waving a red flag? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted October 25, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 25, 2014 A friend of mine explained how she thinks every one ought to do advanced driver training. She went on to tell that her son did such a course, but his driving is terrible most of the time, except for when he chooses to remember what he learnt! Money wasted? Isn't that the case for all of us? It's just that some of us remember, more of the time......... Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Isn't that the case for all of us? It's just that some of us remember, more of the time......... Cheers, Mick especially those of us who ride motorbikes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AngryMeerkat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I've just read the story, and read it again, and nowhere can I see what caused the accident or who owns the car or who was driving the car at the time or any reference to their driving ability. Interesting that most people reading it ASSUME that a person 'with more money than sense' was driving beyond his ability and crashed because the car was too powerful and he wasn't a good enough driver. Also interesting that nobody assumes that the driver, who is maybe a self-made entrepreneur earning wealth by employing 500 people, was coming off a roundabout at a sedate 35mph because Italian supercars are fragile and break down easily if driven fast. The driver of a small car in the other lane got a case of jealousy and swerved in front of the Ferrari which avoided hitting the other car by swerving into the safety of the grass verge. Of course this didn't happen, because hundreds of people witnessed this accident..........oh right nobody did. Mark Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Interesting that most people reading it ASSUME that a person 'with more money than sense' was driving beyond his ability and crashed because the car was too powerful and he wasn't a good enough driver. You're right. That absolutely never happens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IzxiIiGlg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I've just read the story, and read it again, and nowhere can I see what caused the accident or who owns the car or who was driving the car at the time or any reference to their driving ability. Interesting that most people reading it ASSUME that a person 'with more money than sense' was driving beyond his ability and crashed because the car was too powerful and he wasn't a good enough driver. Also interesting that nobody assumes that the driver, who is maybe a self-made entrepreneur earning wealth by employing 500 people, was coming off a roundabout at a sedate 35mph because Italian supercars are fragile and break down easily if driven fast. The driver of a small car in the other lane got a case of jealousy and swerved in front of the Ferrari which avoided hitting the other car by swerving into the safety of the grass verge. Of course this didn't happen, because hundreds of people witnessed this accident..........oh right nobody did. Mark Why are you confusing an opinion formed on balance of probability with an assumption? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Explain this one then...: Aventador Crash - Moment of Impact: Was the Lamborghini going at a ridiculously high speed, or did the other driver simply not see it...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 No, the other driver was going ridiculously slow. It is just that the video has been speeded up, for effect you understand, nothing wroong with the Lamb's driver at all! Stewart Why is when walking round London, I see quite a few of these fast cars been driven harshly in the 30mph (or possibly 20mph now) speed limits? Who in their right mind needs to drive a car in London anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The speed on replay looks credible for the Lambo lifting off the road. That doesn't happen in a 20 mph bump. Notice that the brake lights aren't on while the Lambo is airborne, and don't light until about to collide with the Beemer. We'll let the traffic police pick the bones out of this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Why is when walking round London, I see quite a few of these fast cars been driven harshly in the 30mph (or possibly 20mph now) speed limits? Who in their right mind needs to drive a car in London anyway? I was in the nicer bits of London yesterday and saw lots of exotic cars being driven safely round at Boris bike speeds. A Ferrari even stopped so we could cross the road. I'm really not sure why you'd buy something like a Mclaren F1 to drive round at 20mph though... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
station cat Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 I was in the nicer bits of London yesterday and saw lots of exotic cars being driven safely round at Boris bike speeds. A Ferrari even stopped so we could cross the road. I'm really not sure why you'd buy something like a Mclaren F1 to drive round at 20mph though... There's a lot of Middle Eastern Sheikh types who come over to London for a few months per year and bring their supercars with them. There was a documentary about it a few years ago on Channel 4 http://www.channel4.com/programmes/millionaire-boy-racers/episode-guide Article about it http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2716405/Streets-Knightsbridge-jammed-Arab-owned-supercars-wealthy-playboys-flock-London.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieB Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 The speed on replay looks credible for the Lambo lifting off the road. That doesn't happen in a 20 mph bump. Notice that the brake lights aren't on while the Lambo is airborne, and don't light until about to collide with the Beemer. We'll let the traffic police pick the bones out of this one. Surely in the absence of other factors (drink/drugs, hand-held mobiles) right of way trumps speeding when it comes to insurers attributing blame? How did the videographer happen to be in the right place and start filming with the car joining from the right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tony_S Posted October 26, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 26, 2014 How did the videographer happen to be in the right place and start filming with the car joining from the right? He (a car enthusiast) heard the Lamborghini and got his mobile to film it. His video started as it was going past (according to newspaper reports of the incident) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 YouTube is full of guys who travel around London filming the latest supercars, so not really surprised this was caught on camera. I saw this clip some time ago and believe it went to court. Hard to judge the speed of the Lambo, but pulling out into a main road without checking first or not seeing oncoming traffic would suggest the Mazda? was at fault. In his defence though, I did have a close call once when my passenger blocked out an oncoming car and I started to pull out. Easily done…. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Chances are the guy who bent this one already owns a Ferrari, you used to have to own a Ferrari to buy one, and Ferrari dealers don't let any idiot get in their cars for a test drive. If he didn't own one he would have had to put some kind of bond up just in case this happened. "Man, you f***ed up your Ferrari." "It isn't mine." - "The Rock" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 ...right of way trumps speeding when it comes to insurers attributing blame?... No, speeding is always considered contributory as it is an offence in law. The person turning is looking for a gap in the traffic, and it is reasonable to estimate that gap on the basis of the applicable speed limit. And as I recall it, there is no such thing as 'right of way' described in the applicable legislation. Lots of 'be prepared to give way' and 'limiting speed to enable you to stop in time' messages though... I'd be interested in the court proceedings for that collision if anyone has a reference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gordon s Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 The road markings on the side road contain a warning triangle to show you are approaching a give way junction, followed by the double dashed lines, which the gov.uk site states as 'give way to traffic on major road'. On that basis, I would suggest the car from the side road is at fault. The law says give way to traffic on the major road and makes no mention of speed. I would also be interested to hear of the outcome, if it did go to court. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium kevinlms Posted October 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2014 The road markings on the side road contain a warning triangle to show you are approaching a give way junction, followed by the double dashed lines, which the gov.uk site states as 'give way to traffic on major road'. On that basis, I would suggest the car from the side road is at fault. The law says give way to traffic on the major road and makes no mention of speed. I would also be interested to hear of the outcome, if it did go to court. Surely there must be a precedent for that. Someone pulling out in front of a speeding vehicle at a T junction is hardly unique. The fact a Ferrari is involved is irrelevant, except the damage bill is higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2014 Why? You can get into a lot of trouble with much less than 400bhp. Especially with RWD and a heavy right foot... Or FWD and lift off oversteer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2014 You're right. That absolutely never happens https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2IzxiIiGlg Pleased to see the Lambourghinis were not too damaged, but a lot of these would not have happened if the cars were fitted with traction control Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 27, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 27, 2014 Explain this one then...: Aventador Crash - Moment of Impact: Was the Lamborghini going at a ridiculously high speed, or did the other driver simply not see it...? Both to blame I think LHD does not help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted October 27, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 27, 2014 Pleased to see the Lambourghinis were not too damaged, but a lot of these would not have happened if the cars were fitted with traction control I think they ought to be fitted with some other type of control, such as non-idiot control, or automatic computer control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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