sir douglas Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 while on the enthusiasm for wagons, i went back to the 2 G&SWR's, i always knew that the end door hinges werent right but didnt know what they should be as well, but yesterday came across a protoype photo by chance, its on the front cover of a HMRS journal from 1997 https://hmrs.org.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/j/o/journal_1601_image.jpg Also in the photo are the missing end door catches but im working on the hinges for now, to begin with a look at what i originally put on for the hinges. the ends of the hinges bars are attched on the outside ironwork but now should be ionside and the hinges themselves are just curve strips going around the bar G&SWR (8) by Sam, on Flickr the other wagon with it all cut off G&SWR (7) by Sam, on Flickr soldering up new hinges out of brass on the re used brass wire, the 3 brass strips folded into a P shape and clipped onto a piece of ply with pen markings to site them apart from each other at the correct distance and the wire was fed through and soldered together, to the left are the parts for the second hinge assembly G&SWR (10) by Sam, on Flickr the assembly was is superglued into the inside of the door and the small end pieces with holes driiled in are fed onto the wire, superglued onto the inside of the side and soldered onto the wire, lastly the excess wire is cut and filed G&SWR (11) by Sam, on Flickr just got to do the same for the other wagon 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 8, 2017 Author Share Posted October 8, 2017 the new hinges above were painted over with a matt black yesterday Back to the Petrol a bit of a big jump in progress all of a sudden as i got a lot done yesterday, the ends were cut and glued on, the cab end and bonnet top are single piece bent and glued in stages, a skirting under the footplate and 2 sand pots on opposite corners Knowles (48) by Sam, on Flickr after 2 layers of the "buff" cream, shown here sat on a block Knowles (49) by Sam, on Flickr it was temporarily sat on the chassis for the photo, it still needs another coat or 2 of cream and then the outside strip of running board needs going over with black, i will also be having a go at replicating the lining on the photo but not the lettering Knowles (50) by Sam, on Flickr last week the name plates were ordered from Narrow Planet and im just waiting for them to go into the next etching batch, I'll reveal which name is chosen after they arrive, in the order is also the chosen name for the /manning Wardle, MW works plats for it and Kerr Stuart works plates for Thunderchild 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 9, 2017 Author Share Posted October 9, 2017 to finish off the G&SWR wagons, they are repainted to G&SW on one side but keep HLR on the other, a stncil was drawn and cut based on the photo to copy the lettering size and font best i can G&SWR (12) by Sam, on Flickr and trying to get the same the camera angle as the prototype photo G&SWR (13) by Sam, on Flickr The base cream colour done now on the Knowles and the lining has been marked up in pencil Knowles (52) by Sam, on Flickr Again trying to copy the camera angle of the prototype photo Knowles (51) by Sam, on Flickr Elsewhere, a few more styrene bolt heads were superglued onto my second timber wagon after not working on it for ages wagon 4 (6) by Sam, on Flickr 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Sam will be exhibiting at the Wakefield Show, 3rd weekend in Nov. An opportunity to see a very talented young modeller with his latest stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Elsewhere, a few more styrene bolt heads were superglued onto my second timber wagon after not working on it for ages wagon 4 (6) by Sam, on Flickr It's made of wood! Sorry my friend I just had to say it. Looking good this is how I plan to make my G scale models Rolling stock wise when I get the space. Just Wood, metal, and glue. Locomotives will be a mix of plastic, metal, and wood most likely. Hmm Anyone know a cheap source of ABS plastic you can cut into sheets? Testors plastic glue works best with ABS after all. It's why I keep my Legos far away from the stuff. I am not a Kragle supporter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 what does "Kragle" mean? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 10, 2017 Author Share Posted October 10, 2017 had a running session with the Knowles Last night at the club, it runs well now after filling it with lead compared to last week when i tried running it but forgot the strips of lead to put on top, it hardly ran at all. this morning I decided to line it with black, i dont claim to have lined it all as well as it looks like, most of it went well, but some areas needed cleaning up with the cream Knowles (55) by Sam, on Flickr Knowles (54) by Sam, on Flickr Knowles (53) by Sam, on Flickr While ive got the enthusiasm for careful painting, i continued with another wagon, this one is a whitemetal GWR bought secondhand when i was at Ally Pally with Green Ayre, all i had don to it colour wise was a base coat of brown (the same as what used to be on Rebecca) but only now have i got round to going over with the black. A private owner stencil has been drawn for it but not yet cut out before wagon 3 (5) by Sam, on Flickr After wagon 3 (6) by Sam, on Flickr 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
844fan Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 what does "Kragle" mean? Kragle is what they called Krazy Glue in The Lego Movie. The tube they found in the Lego World was scrunched up and scratched so the only letters visable were K R A G L E so Kragle. To Lego lovers it has come to mean those who permanently fix Legos together which even Krazy Glue isn't permanent testors plastic glue is on ABS plastic since it melts the two parts it's applied to and bonds them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 11, 2017 Author Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) as said before, that the other side of the G&SWR wagons will keep their HLR livery G&SWR (14) by Sam, on Flickr Edited October 11, 2017 by sir douglas 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) the livery on the brown wagon has only been painted on one side at the moment wagon 3 (7) by Sam, on Flickr it refers to George Green, The Pinder of Wakefield also known as the Jolly Pinder, a character in the Robin Hood story https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jolly_Pinder_of_Wakefield Edited October 12, 2017 by sir douglas 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted October 19, 2017 Author Share Posted October 19, 2017 after a few little distractions like a micro layout, a midland 3P and starting a O16.5 2-8-4 tank, i got back to work on the Knowles and started the engine two blocks were made up out of 3 x 6 mm styrene and a strip of brass was bent to sit over the motor with a small gap inbetween Knowles (56) by Sam, on Flickr Also made, painted and fitted a brake column Knowles (57) by Sam, on Flickr one end of each was filed square and top pieces were glued on, after drying, the curves to match the brass were cut and filed, the corners of the block were rounded off and they were superglued onto the brass, note how they are slightly off centre to the left, this is on purpose to allow space for the radiator on the right knowles (59) by Sam, on Flickr the engine sat approx in position knowles (58) by Sam, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 4, 2017 Author Share Posted November 4, 2017 ive been wanting a cattle wagon of for while but never got around to building one further than a bare rolling chassis, but now ive got one second hand from the collection of the late Dave Hewitt of Unit models its a Three Aitch painted up as Great Central, but its not a GC. i have heard that Aitch commonly did generic ficticous wagons rather than prototypes online sources show it as LT&SR, its not just painted as LT&SR but you can it shown as such on the packaging, so it looks like im going to be re painting it to LT&SR https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/three-aitch-mouldings-gauge-7mm-scale-245934786 https://picclick.co.uk/Three-Aitch-Mouldings-O-Gauge-Cattle-Wagon-kit-253007606033.html a David Smith model of a LT&SR cattle in MR ownership https://www.davidlosmith.co.uk/Gauge0Fine.htm ive had look in the Essery midland wagon book and it does indeed look just like a LT&SR my only problem with it is the course wheels which is easily fixed its been re-wheeled and is being weighted wagon GC cattle by Sam, on Flickr 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 5, 2017 Author Share Posted November 5, 2017 (edited) Continuing with the LT&SR cattle wagon, after looking it up in the book i noticed a few details that needed changing First up is the solebar, on the left was an oversized label clip which also it shouldnt have in that position, then the curved ironwork for the W irons arent curved enough such as the standard C shape, 2 large bolt heads that should be a rectangular plate with 2 small bolt heads on wagon cattle 2 (4) by Sam, on Flickr and with those parts cut off wagon cattle 2 (3) by Sam, on Flickr the new C shaped iron work cut out of styrene, glued on. Also the addition of brass wire for the bars across the openings wagon cattle 2 (9) by Sam, on Flickr next are the ends, the inner uprights have iron L section on them to remove, outer verticals need extending over the headstocks (bufferbeams) and all 4 of the verticals need additional thickness to the bottom tapering towards the top An untouched end, mysterious ironwork on the inners and the outers dont go over the headstocks wagon cattle 2 (5) by Sam, on Flickr the tapered styrene added to the outers and the ironwork being cut back wagon cattle 2 (6) by Sam, on Flickr All 4 verticals with the additions wagon cattle 2 (8) by Sam, on Flickr Bolt heads being glued on and filling in various slots and gaps with milliput, the kit gave generous gaps between parts such as on the inner verticals on the end, they are 2mm wide and the slots are 3.5mm wagon cattle 2 (11) by Sam, on Flickr After the first coat of grey i remembered 2 more things to add, the bootom corner of ironwork either side of the door and a chmfered block inbetween the bottom hinges wagon cattle 2 (12) by Sam, on Flickr After the second coat wagon cattle 2 (13) by Sam, on Flickr The brake levers dont match the photo either so new ones cut out of 1.5mm black styrene wagon cattle 2 (10) by Sam, on Flickr since my layout is in the 1950's the final appearnace will have to be in very tatty LMS similar to the Van i did not long ago, a quick look in a book tomorrow will tell me what their LMS numbers were Edited November 5, 2017 by sir douglas 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 6, 2017 Author Share Posted November 6, 2017 A third coat was applied then the ironwork was picked out in black and the Brake levers stuck on, all that is left to do is add the lever racks wagon cattle 2 (14) by Sam, on Flickr the photo im working from in Midland wagons volume 2 by Essary wagon cattle 2 (16) LT&SR by Sam, on Flickr a comparison shot at about the same angle wagon cattle 2 (15) by Sam, on Flickr The second timber wagon will be a runner for the show even if its not finished as the hooks have been fitted and lead stuck underneath, i could always blag that its unfinshed on purpose to show that its made out of real wood not metal or plastic wagon timber 2 (7) by Sam, on Flickr wagon timber 2 (8) by Sam, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 getting the early brakevan ready for the show wooden brake shoes on brass brackets made by the late Tony Bond brakevan 2 (13) by Sam, on Flickr the rodding was soldered on brakevan 2 (14) by Sam, on Flickr the roof is black styrene with planking scribed into and scratched to give wood effect and repainted the solebar ironwork brakevan 2 (15) by Sam, on Flickr with it done, i could have a running session with 2 good trains 12-11-2017 (1) by Sam, on Flickr and box it all up ready for next week 12-11-2017 (2) by Sam, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Last night i worked on the engine and roof of the Knowles radiotor, exhaust and drive gear housing knowles (60) by Sam, on Flickr knowles (61) by Sam, on Flickr some styrene rod to represent the cylinder valve push rods and small rectangles of thin sheet on top for the rocker arms knowles (63) by Sam, on Flickr test fit in the cab knowles (64) by Sam, on Flickr The roof with locating lugs knowles (62) by Sam, on Flickr the engine stuck in place after painting and a pencil cross on tyhe roof to mark the exhaust pipe position knowles (65) by Sam, on Flickr knowles (66) by Sam, on Flickr since there is clearly no curve on the roof in the prototype photo on the side or end, the roof of mine will either stay flat or be domed like a stroudley, i havent decided yet the narrow planet plates wont make it in time for the show, i would liked to have had them fitted for the weekend, theyre estmated to be done in about 2 weeks Edited November 13, 2017 by sir douglas 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 16, 2017 Author Share Posted November 16, 2017 1 day to go http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/126705-wakefield-rms-model-railway-show-2017/ https://www.wakefieldrms.org/exhibition/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 everything is back home and ive now got a few things to sort out. First thing though is that i found out what the 'early' brake van is, its a 1840/50's North Eastern "York van", a side drawing and a partial photo in a book as been loaned to me from the LNER society through a friend this shows that a brake column needs to be added to one end of it. During the weekend the van was causing some problems because the buffers are little long causing the chain to be a tight fit over the hooks, i tried bodging this by making longer links to swap with the end link on each end which sort of worked but not with every wagon, i dont know if i'll be able to bring the buffers into the stocks a bit because of how they were made and fitted, so instead i might have to replace all the links with slightly loner ones The dumb buffer gravel needs some work as well, the hook heads sit into the slots a bit too far and the coupling chains that came with the hooks are too small giving the same coupling problems as the brake van. the 3 skytrex wagons were also a nuisance riding wrong way over a point half of the time, but i think its the profile of the blade needs looking at not the wagons. i entered the competition again this year,one of the G&SW wagons into the wagon category but not won and Thunderchild into the loco category and did win thunderchild trophy by Sam, on Flickr 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 (edited) the book is a bylines special on NER brakevans https://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=3727756625 the page spread the drawing, its ended up a bit wonky as i was trying to hold it flat to photograph it Edited November 20, 2017 by sir douglas 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enginelane Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 everything is back home and ive now got a few things to sort out. First thing though is that i found out what the 'early' brake van is, its a 1840/50's North Eastern "York van", a side drawing and a partial photo in a book as been loaned to me from the LNER society through a friend this shows that a brake column needs to be added to one end of it. During the weekend the van was causing some problems because the buffers are little long causing the chain to be a tight fit over the hooks, i tried bodging this by making longer links to swap with the end link on each end which sort of worked but not with every wagon, i dont know if i'll be able to bring the buffers into the stocks a bit because of how they were made and fitted, so instead i might have to replace all the links with slightly loner ones The dumb buffer gravel needs some work as well, the hook heads sit into the slots a bit too far and the coupling chains that came with the hooks are too small giving the same coupling problems as the brake van. the 3 skytrex wagons were also a nuisance riding wrong way over a point half of the time, but i think its the profile of the blade needs looking at not the wagons. i entered the competition again this year,one of the G&SW wagons into the wagon category but not won and Thunderchild into the loco category and did win thunderchild trophy by Sam, on Flickr Thought the layout and rolling stock did you credit and an excellent example of what can be achieved at this scale without expending lots of money on locos etc. Knowing you made the majority yourself must give you great satisfaction. Looking forward to its next development 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 ive mentioned this idea before but now ive started building it. while researching North British wagons for a friend in an LNER wagon book i came across a brake van i would like to build, a number of short brake vans ran on the cowlairs rope incline in Glasgow before being rebuilt after the incline changed to loco traction http://www.nbrstudygroup.co.uk/galleries/images_people/Cowlairs-Incline-45613.jpg being rebuilt into covered brake vans like this i really like the handrails and that they were only 12' 6" over bufferbeams with a 7' 3" wheelbase, today ive started drawing and making. the wheels and bearings are from wizard models, the whitemetal axleboxes are secondhand and cant remember, the drawing is partly done with the side view drawn from a flat side view in the book, the bufferbeams have been cut and drilled which sit next to the chassis drawing brakevan NBR (1) by Sam, on Flickr 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJon30 Posted November 22, 2017 Share Posted November 22, 2017 Hi. Majestic models did a white metal kit of the original brake van. Must admit i did like the picture of the rebuilt version. Good luck with the build 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 so thats why theres a larger gap in the vertical rib of body frame, there was a balcony on the other end as well, i'll need to redraw the whole side to reposition the 4 centre ribs evenly over the centre line and match the others with the open end Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sir douglas Posted November 23, 2017 Author Share Posted November 23, 2017 redrew the side built up a rolling chassis brakevan NBR (2) by Sam, on Flickr i am next going to draw the ends, the above pic by Ajon30 helps with the balcony end but ive got nothing for the other end, which will have to be guess work 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie586 Posted November 23, 2017 Share Posted November 23, 2017 I always enjoy reading this thread and seeing how you put your stock and locos together. Looking forward to seeing the brake van. The Knowles reminds me a bit of the Groundle Glen's Polar Bear which is on my never ending list of things to build one day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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