Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 I have always liked the idea of extra bodies sharing a chassis which I think you've done with warships before? I bought two peaks in the end as I really wanted green and blue but would have happily compromised on one (filthy) chassis to save a fair bit. Yes Hal at present I have 4 Warships 3 Westerns & 5 Hymeks sharing three respective chassis, but I do have plans to duplicate all three chassis so two of each class can run at any one time.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyWales Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Yes Hal at present I have 4 Warships 3 Westerns & 5 Hymeks sharing three respective chassis, but I do have plans to duplicate all three chassis so two of each class can run at any one time....Hi Phill....Loving the idea of sharing chassis to keep costs down...as long as bodies are available. There seems to have been a lot of people elsewhere picking up spares bodies.... Are they readily available from Heljan? Couldn't make Telford again due to FINAL oncall commitments....now at an end due to pending full retirement :-). Also, I recall mentioning to you elsewhere that my Heljan Class 47 now runs on one motor and you were anxious to try running one Heljan motor on a RC battery setup. The chassis is still very heavy obviously, but did you experiment? Randall Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 8, 2017 Share Posted September 8, 2017 Neither CME .......JLTRT Cellulose straight over the original paint!!! Wow thats great coverage-yellow is a so and so to paint. Lucky that the cellulose didnt react with the HJ top coat too? I'm not that quick CME , I built the chassis for a much modified Skytrex body Ahh, gotcha......Im still keen, as mentioned, to fettle my HJs down to one motor each as I have a trunk/branchline trains. Most of my stock is weighted plastic.....I will need to have a loco pull three brass coaches though. ATVB CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 Hi Phill.... Loving the idea of sharing chassis to keep costs down...as long as bodies are available. There seems to have been a lot of people elsewhere picking up spares bodies.... Are they readily available from Heljan? Couldn't make Telford again due to FINAL oncall commitments....now at an end due to pending full retirement :-). Also, I recall mentioning to you elsewhere that my Heljan Class 47 now runs on one motor and you were anxious to try running one Heljan motor on a RC battery setup. The chassis is still very heavy obviously, but did you experiment? Randall Yes these bodies have been very useful for me . Shame you missed out on Telford Randy as it is always a great weekend .......we go every year . No experimentation as yet with single Heljan bogie loco's yet at my end, although I will be fitting RC to Falcon's better low amp's chassis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 8, 2017 Author Share Posted September 8, 2017 The peak is now good old banger blue, or well on the way at least. I will add a couple more tones to the overall body next & then I will have to wait until next week for further parts to arrive........so back to D1058 until then 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
P.C.M Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Hi Phill, Looks like you had a good shopping spree at the Telford show. Your Peak is looking very good I really need to do more to mine. Cheers Peter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Yes these bodies have been very useful for me . Shame you missed out on Telford Randy as it is always a great weekend .......we go every year . No experimentation as yet with single Heljan bogie loco's yet at my end, although I will be fitting RC to Falcon's better low amp's chassis. Phill, have you anyway of verifying the exact amperage of these new Heljan motors? ATVB CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Phill, have you anyway of verifying the exact amperage of these new Heljan motors? ATVB CME No but if you trawl the internet you may find a answer, the guy on the test track said my Falcon was drawing less than a amp though. Hi Phill, Looks like you had a good shopping spree at the Telford show. Your Peak is looking very good I really need to do more to mine. Cheers Peter. Look forward to seeing yours Peter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 No but if you trawl the internet you may find a answer, the guy on the test track said my Falcon was drawing less than a amp though. Hi Phill, Thanks. IIRC, all my HJs draw less than an amp-1amp, under normal conditions (they will run on a OO/HO transformer) its the stall rate rate that is high.... ATVB CME 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 No but if you trawl the internet you may find a answer, the guy on the test track said my Falcon was drawing less than a amp though. Hi Phill, Thanks. IIRC, all my HJs draw less than an amp-1amp, under normal conditions (they will run on a OO/HO transformer) its the stall rate rate that is high.... ATVB CME Hymeks used to draw 2.5 amps I believe ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) Hymeks used to draw 2.5 amps I believe ? Thats what Ive heard Phill, yet Ive also heard 1.0-1.5 amps. I guess that the Hymeks-being the first 7mm HJ loco-could have less efficient motors? Confussing aint it! Edited September 9, 2017 by CME and Bottlewasher 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 9, 2017 Author Share Posted September 9, 2017 Thats what Ive heard Phill, yet Ive also heard 1.0-1.5 amps. I guess that the Hymeks-being the first 7mm HJ loco-could have less efficient motors? Confussing aint it! Later loco's use less amps CME & Falcon is lower still I think, but if it proves too thirsty with battery power I will either run on one motor bogie or run on one re-motored bogie The Falcon chassis is quite different to previous 35,47 & 33 loco's I've owned in that I believe the motors are central with shafts driving the bogies . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyWales Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 No but if you trawl the internet you may find a answer, the guy on the test track said my Falcon was drawing less than a amp though. Look forward to seeing yours Peter Interesting...when I bought my Heljan Class 47 from the E&T stall at Doncaster, both gear trains were seized, but the chap in charge of the test track said it was only pulling 1.5amps...that's BOTH motors with the controller maxxed.I've since removed a motor/gears from one bogie and the loco runs very sweetly...on what amperage?.... I don't know. Must be less???!!!! Within RC tolerances??? Randall 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Later loco's use less amps CME & Falcon is lower still I think, but if it proves too thirsty with battery power I will either run on one motor bogie or run on one re-motored bogie The Falcon chassis is quite different to previous 35,47 & 33 loco's I've owned in that I believe the motors are central with shafts driving the bogies . Hi Phill, Yes my Warship is powered in a similar way now. We shall have to see how it all pans out.... ATVB CME Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Interesting...when I bought my Heljan Class 47 from the E&T stall at Doncaster, both gear trains were seized, but the chap in charge of the test track said it was only pulling 1.5amps...that's BOTH motors with the controller maxxed. I've since removed a motor/gears from one bogie and the loco runs very sweetly...on what amperage?.... I don't know. Must be less???!!!! Within RC tolerances??? Randall I would think that you would be drawing a amp or less Randy, so probably quite long running hours between RC charging Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) The HJ class 31 runs for 40mins on RC (NiMH) batteries..... Edited September 10, 2017 by CME and Bottlewasher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Hymeks used to draw 2.5 amps I believe ? Isn't that because they also weighed a ton??!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Isn't that because they also weighed a ton??!! Lol! Dont ALL HJ locos?!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 11, 2017 Author Share Posted September 11, 2017 The HJ class 31 runs for 40mins on RC (NiMH) batteries..... .....but as I say I need to experiment with Falcon before making an informed choice about power bogies with RC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 11, 2017 Share Posted September 11, 2017 It will be interesting to see the outcome Phill, proof of the pudding and all that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phill Dyson (onslaught832) Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 The Peak is now ready for transfers & RC gear ........... Meanwhile I'm more or less happy with the weathering on D1058 Western Nobleman...... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CME and Bottlewasher Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Nice, authentic, work Phill! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike knowles Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 Re the single motor topic. All the Heljan locos on our layout Invermire have been converted to single motor drive and they run quite happily though admittedly they only pull a maximum of 4 coaches at a time. One benefit is that they are OK running on the standard Loksound decoder (as used in 4mm scale models) so saves the added expense of using the XL decoders. On some locos we have used a PRMRP bogie etch for the non powered bogie, on others we have retained the Heljan bogie but removed the motor and intermediate idler gears. Note I gather someone just removed the motor but left all the gears in place, which at some point locked up and the siezed wheels were dragged along by the powered bogie! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 (edited) Love the weathering on 'Nobleman' Phill, very nice... I take it you're fitting plates from Sevenmill..? Do they come prepainted with 'polished' beading / names / numbers or unpainted..? 'Courier' is doing a couple of trips on the Valley tomorrow, I'm off up there for a fix Edited September 15, 2017 by Rugd1022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 15, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 15, 2017 That Peak is a big lump of a loco when you see it against/on a piece of garden furniture! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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