Londontram Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Now I know there's going to be a long line of people telling me I should have used the search engine but when I tried it came back with 1220 options and after wading through the first 100 and still not finding the answer can any one tell me if I cut the web on 00 Peco streamline and reposition the sleepers what gap should there be? A general generic figure will do not what company, what area, what period or what time of the month it is just a general idea please. Thanks Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The 2mm Association suggest a scale 2'6" centre to centre but note that this can vary dependent on, amongst other things, company and period. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2014 Now I know there's going to be a long line of people telling me I should have used the search engine but when I tried it came back with 1220 options and after wading through the first 100 and still not finding the answer can any one tell me if I cut the web on 00 Peco streamline and reposition the sleepers what gap should there be? A general generic figure will do not what company, what area, what period or what time of the month it is just a general idea please. Thanks Steve I gave up with Peco and now use Exactoscale. The easy way to do it is 24 sleepers per 60ft length which for Exacto is 3 x 8 sleeper frets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I've always cut the web and pushed the spacing out to 5mm between sleepers rather than (I think) just under 4mm. No idea about prototypical correctness, but it's always looked much better at that spacing to me. Pete. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Tried this ? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/54463-ph-designs-sleeper-spacing-tool/page-2 Used it on a previous layout, and it's OK. . Brian R Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 I don't want to get into a discussion on the merits of different makes of track or what looks better with what I've got to much invested in Peco track to start buying new, I just need the basic sleeper spacing that I've seen on here before but cant find now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2014 60 ft track panel has 24 sleepers which equates to 10mm centres or a space of 5mm. Or do what I did and sell the lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted September 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2014 Tried this ? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/54463-ph-designs-sleeper-spacing-tool/page-2 Used it on a previous layout, and it's OK. . Brian R Wot he said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyA Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I am trying to solve this at the moment - with all the Peco track that is in the cupboard. With regard to the sleeper spacing tool, the link to PH Designs did not work. I found it here. http://www.phd-design-etchings.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&path=36&product_id=130 The other concern I had is with payment methods. I may have missed it but it appears you have to submit the order to find out how to pay.The only method mentioned in advance is Cheque which I prefer not to use. Some more information in advance would be helpful. Having said all that the other matter with spacing is that it is different at rail joints. I am modelling a military railway and the relevant guide specifies 2ft 8in centres except at joints where it is 2ft 4ins and 2ft 0ins under the joint. I will let you know how I get on. Tony Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold chris p bacon Posted September 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2014 Having said all that the other matter with spacing is that it is different at rail joints. I am modelling a military railway and the relevant guide specifies 2ft 8in centres except at joints where it is 2ft 4ins and 2ft 0ins under the joint. That is already taken care of with the Exacto as the spacings reduce at the joints. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted September 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 22, 2014 Part of the problem with Peco is that the width of the sleepers is narrow (not the length accross the rails, the width), so if you go for 24 sleepers per 60 foot length, the gaps between the sleepers are too wide. Visually, about 4.5 mm looks ok, but the better option is still SMP / C&L / Exactoscale. Hence the ongoing debate about 'better' 00 track & the need for matching pointwork. Have a look at this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/55620-peco-code-75-sleeper-spacing/ - only 2 pages compared to some very long threads which this subject has attracted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Quick and easy for me. I cut the web underneath, then use a wooden coffee stirrer (MacDonalds etc) as a spacer. Looks better than the original Peco. Prototype spacing differred along the track panel and with different companies and eras, I remember a P4 article in a mid-1960's MRC giving details. Stewart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceptic Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 There's also this topic from the 'Gaffer' himself. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/23129-improving-peco-code-75/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The link that Andy shows on his thread is for my old web site, here it is linked to the new page for the Sleeper Spacing Tool. As for Ordering I will take Postal orders as well, for more info read the How To Order section. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Londontram Posted September 22, 2014 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 Thanks Ceptic that was the article I was looking for. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Simon Posted September 29, 2014 Share Posted September 29, 2014 Hi, For concrete Sleepered Track it should be 26 sleepers per 18m of CWR, with Wooden and Steel Sleepered track it should be 26 sleepers per 18m length as in the diagram below: The data is taken straight from Railway Group Standard GC/RT/5015 'Track Standards Manual - Section 5: Track Support Systems' (http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_Group_Standards/Infrastructure/Railway%20Group%20Standards/GCRT5015%20Iss%201.pdf) Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandra Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I don't think there is a simple answer to this question and I would suggest that the best option is to simply space the sleepers at the distance that looks best for you. One thing is for certain, Peco sleepers are too close together and they need to be set at a wider spacing to look more acceptable. I would avoid setting the distance between the sleepers at the scale distance for 4mm scale for then the sleepers will appear to be too far apart due to the narrower OO gauge. If you look at C & L flexible track the sleepers in their OO gauge track are closer together than in either their EM track or their P4 track. In fact perhaps you could consider using C & L flexible OO track instead of Peco as it can be used with Peco points. Or perhaps you could buy just one length of C & L track and use that as a template to set the Peco sleepers further apart. I presume you are using Peco points the sleepers of which are also too close together and it is impossible to widen those so there will be a disparity between the points and plain track. However I have seen exhibition layouts that do this and once the track is painted and ballasted it is not too obvious and is a reasonable way to obtain a more scale appearance. Sandra Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I think Sandra like others here have hit the nail on the head, in 00 gauge scale sleeper spacing to my eye looks a bit too wide, as Peco looks a bit to narrow, the answer C&L came up with was to reduce the sleeper spacing on 00 gauge track slightly with the gaps between sleepers at 5.5mm. Most folk comment favourably at C&L track when compared with Peco and its the sleeper spacing that looks good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Don't forget sleeper width - the HO Peco ones are a bit narrow so even if you re-space them they look a bit skinny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted September 30, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 30, 2014 Don't forget sleeper width - the HO Peco ones are a bit narrow so even if you re-space them they look a bit skinny. Absolutely, Peco look 'under nourished' compared to C&L/SMP.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayfield Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The SMP sleepers I have are 4mm wide, too wide for plain track Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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