RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 13, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, ColinW said: Received the email from the shop in Guildford saying they had my order. A car journey will be made in the next couple of days to collect them. Colin I got one from Camborne this morning stating mine would be in the post this afternoon. John Edited July 13, 2021 by Dunsignalling 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 13 hours ago, ColinW said: Received the email from the shop in Guildford saying they had my order. A car journey will be made in the next couple of days to collect them. Colin So a Road Trip to get the Road van? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Shame there are no direct trains to Guildford from Kent ( Tonbridge ) nowadays ! ........... they probably call it 'progress'. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted July 14, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: Shame there are no direct trains to Guildford from Kent ( Tonbridge ) nowadays ! ........... they probably call it 'progress'. Hourly service from Tonbridge, change at Redhill, joutrney time 72 minutes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 You missed the word 'direct' ................. there are also zillions of options from all over Kent with just a change at Waterloo, of course. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinW Posted July 14, 2021 Share Posted July 14, 2021 Whilst I live in Tonbridge, so yes I know/knew of the direct service to Guildford, driving there takes about an hour, and I am obviously not tied down to return times. Will be going over tomorrow, so hopefully (for me) quiet in the shop, so can have a good look around and possibly a pub lunch from one of the pubs just down the road. Colin 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2021 Just unboxed my BR grey one (version F) delivered a few minutes ago. FABULOUS! Kadees to be fitted later, but the standard wheels look good as is. John 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kernow MRC Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 Have a brake, have a road van... Our ex LSWR road vans have arrived, are in stock and in need of a 'going to a new home' All pre-orders being processed, please bear with us as this will take a few days. To see the full range available to order click here 10 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 15, 2021 Just ordered one. I probably now have more brake vans than wagons. 2 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich46 Posted July 15, 2021 Share Posted July 15, 2021 I received my vans this morning. I'm very pleased with them and worth the 6 years 10 months wait since ordering! I've fitted Kadee No.18 couplers. I also had to regauge the wheels to enable them to go through my pointwork. Removing them broke the centre tie bar but after refitting I simply tweaked the ends back together again. Very simple and completely hidden from view. Just need to weather them now to look more realistic in operation. Well done Kernow. Excellent I think! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 15, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Rich46 said: I received my vans this morning. I'm very pleased with them and worth the 6 years 10 months wait since ordering! I've fitted Kadee No.18 couplers. I also had to regauge the wheels to enable them to go through my pointwork. Removing them broke the centre tie bar but after refitting I simply tweaked the ends back together again. Very simple and completely hidden from view. Just need to weather them now to look more realistic in operation. Well done Kernow. Excellent I think! Just had to do the same with the wheels for similar reason, but the Gibsons I fitted didn't rotate freely (pin point shape is different) so I swapped them onto the original axles. Now just right and having cuppa while the cyano goes off. Dickering between #18 ( a bit shorter than I need) and #19 Kadees (a bit longer than I want). Solution will be to trim the 19s to give the exact fit I seek and glue them into the pockets. Knuckles were touching the coupling hooks so I'm fitting some smaller ones (MJT). Still fabulous, I'm just fine-tuning it to suit my exact requirements... John Edited July 15, 2021 by Dunsignalling 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 10 hours ago, PhilJ W said: Just ordered one. I probably now have more brake vans than wagons. No problem. You can run brake van specials for the railway enthusiasts. 3 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 . Does anyone know the timescale for the BR Southern Region (mainland) dark brown with red ends ? TIA . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre Grouping fan Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, phil gollin said: . Does anyone know the timescale for the BR Southern Region (mainland) dark brown with red ends ? TIA . As in delivery timescale? Kernow posted yesterday they had arrived and were going to take a few days to dispatch from the number of orders received. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, phil gollin said: . Does anyone know the timescale for the BR Southern Region (mainland) dark brown with red ends ? TIA . The repainting of these vans into BR grey was not that quick and many lasted until at least the early 1950s in a faded version of the brown livery. 1 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 Most vans would have gone straight from Southern livery to B.R. grey ( or firewood ) - but the handful with an 'S' prefix on brown would have been painted in 1948 ........ and, as Graham say, would have lasted into the '50s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 . Sorry, so one of you two is "wrong" ??? ( By the way, I assume that the red was an early safety measure which British Railways were unimpressed with ??? ) . 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, phil gollin said: . Sorry, so one of you two is "wrong" ??? ( By the way, I assume that the red was an early safety measure which British Railways were unimpressed with ??? ) . We are both saying essentially the same thing. Those that stayed in SR brown and gained the S prefix in 1948 would have lasted into the early 1950s, and possibly later into the BR Grey. Others would have gone from SR brown to BR Grey also sometime in the early 1950s. The red ends were a standard LSWR and subsequently SR practice but not not one all pre-nationalisation companies followed, I doubt it if was a case of BR being 'unimpressed with' they simply chose to adopt a different livery. Edited July 16, 2021 by Graham_Muz 4 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2021 The shade of red used for brake van ends by the LSWR and SR wasn't exactly "hi-viz" so I suspect its main function might have been to make them easier to find in marshalling yards. John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 16, 2021 Share Posted July 16, 2021 44 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: The shade of red used for brake van ends by the LSWR and SR wasn't exactly "hi-viz" so I suspect its main function might have been to make them easier to find in marshalling yards. Venetian Red wasn't as drab as portrayed in the original Livery Register and replicated by all the model paint manufacturers ever since ..... but it certainly wasn't a Day-Glo colour ! Any marshalling yard worth its salt would have had a dedicated brake van road or two where you'd find most vans - otherwise 'your' van would have been at the appropriate end ( the end without the big black smoky thing ) of 'your' train. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted July 16, 2021 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2021 16 minutes ago, Wickham Green too said: Venetian Red wasn't as drab as portrayed in the original Livery Register and replicated by all the model paint manufacturers ever since ..... but it certainly wasn't a Day-Glo colour ! Indeed which is why I spent time and research to ensure the correct reference was specified for the LSWR and SR ends. Reflective paint wasn't really a thing in those days... 9 1 1 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted July 16, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 16, 2021 Red is also notorious for fading so the red painted ends might not be so obvious after a few years of weathering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I thought the red end was simply conceived as a mobile danger signal, so shouldn't they have chosen signal red (buffer beam red)? Obviously Hi-vis would have been preferable but "Red for Danger" was conceptually a standard across the whole of industry - everything from men with flags in front of motor cars to handling explosives at sea, and we didn't have the paints that are available now. If you'd asked why red of anybody in the nineteenth century, they probably would have replied it represented the blood of Christ. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 I always assumed red - as a danger signal - represented fire / red hot. Yes, a good point about buffer beam red - but vermillion was a very expensive pigment, probably only justifiable on the relatively small area of a buffer beam ........ so a cheaper pigment was used where the greater expanse of a brake van end would make it more visible. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mike_Walker Posted July 17, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 17, 2021 Mine (S54663) arrived this morning. Simply stunning. Now all I need do is pluck up the courage to weather it a little! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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