Popular Post DJM Dave Posted September 19, 2014 Popular Post Share Posted September 19, 2014 I am pleased to announce that DJModels Ltd has been commissioned by Kernow Model Rail Centre to produce exclusively for them a OO gauge model of the LSWR 'Road Van'. This model was laser scanned using the version on the Isle of Wight Steam Railway, when the O2 was scanned, but only in the last few months has negotiations and the contract been awarded, leading to what you see here in relation to a mostly finished cad/cam. Full details of all liveries, running numbers and specifications can be found on the Kernow web site, and those that subscribe will be getting this press release in more detail directly from Kernow. Cheers Dave 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 The last time I saw that pic of the full-size roadvan, it was above a picture of a red herring. Sneaky stuff in the Royal Duchy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 A few More details including all the running numbers (and there are quite a few!) can also be found on my blog here http://grahammuz.com/2014/09/19/kernow-models-announce-ex-lswr-diagram-1541-road-van-in-oo/ 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Pre-ordered two Southern versions already! Cannot wait to see this wagon. Gareth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curlew Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Is this the same design that was mass produced in WW1 and ended up on various other railways like the Metropolitan etc. ??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Stubby47 Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Noting the lamp brackets are different heights at each end of the van, I'm guessing that there wasn't a standard height for lamps; they just had to have one ? However this leads to more questions : Why are there two brackets at each end ? Was one side preferred to the other ? Did the side used make a difference ? Were two lamps ever needed ? Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 2ManySpams Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Noting the lamp brackets are different heights at each end of the van, I'm guessing that there wasn't a standard height for lamps; they just had to have one ? However this leads to more questions : Why are there two brackets at each end ? Was one side preferred to the other ? Did the side used make a difference ? Were two lamps ever needed ? Stu Weren't they special lamps with lenses front and back hung on the side to that the driver could see he still had the rear of the train at night? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 Weren't they special lamps with lenses front and back hung on the side to that the driver could see he still had the rear of the train at night? A brake van required 3 lights in total. One tail lamp hung on the back plus 1 lamp hung on each side. The side lamps were there so when the loco crew looked back from the engine they had visual confirmation that the guards van was still on the back and the train was complete. The tail lamp was for the use of signalmen and its presence confirmed the train to be complete. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Very nice. Looking at the running numbers, I see the one on the Bluebell (which I tend to model) is not among the release (LSWR 5706 or SR 54663 of BR S54663). Is there a reason for this? (not same pattern, missed etc). (hmmm... dare I renumber). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This was one that I managed to work out from the underside view of a CAD posted in the Kernow newsletter a couple of months ago as a tempter. Have just ordered 3 BR(S) mainland versions Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Corbs Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 DJM is caning it! Top marks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold teaky Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Is this the same design that was mass produced in WW1 and ended up on various other railways like the Metropolitan etc. ??? Unfortunately not. That was a larger 20 ton vehicle without the outside framing. This vehicle or something very similar was used on a few other railways though. I'm sure there'll be a SR expert along shortly to put me right on the detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 OK, so who can tell me which variants on offer are suitable for mainland BR use? (Better not narrow it down to nw Norfolk or Cambs though!) Stewart ps from the above post, other railways use would be good too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubbles2 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Some useful pictures of the Bluebell roadvan in early preservation on Ian Nolan's Flickr . https://www.flickr.com/photos/31890193@N08/14944172332/in/set-72157646282034419 https://www.flickr.com/photos/31890193@N08/15043871285/in/set-72157646282034419 https://www.flickr.com/photos/31890193@N08/15030131845/in/set-72157646282034419 Edited September 19, 2014 by bubbles2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 OK, so who can tell me which variants on offer are suitable for mainland BR use? (Better not narrow it down to nw Norfolk or Cambs though!) Stewart ps from the above post, other railways use would be good too. On Kernow's site (& mailing list) they show mainland and IOW versions separately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Kudos to Kernow and DJmodels for commissioning that most useful of vehicles - the brake van. I will most certainly order some. (Actually I did already.) I found the Kernow 'top-level' page for this item difficult to find - it wasn't on the front page when I looked. (Helpfully Graham provided a link on his blog.) Now all we need is a forward thinking entity with ties to Somerset or Dorset to commission a S&DJR brake van. There are plenty of excellent options. It might be a while before DJModels could attend to such a project but you never know. Edited September 19, 2014 by Ozexpatriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) On Kernow's site (& mailing list) they show mainland and IOW versions separately. I actually cannot see any difference in use there! That is why I asked. Stewart edit: Having followed Graham Muz's link to his blog, I have found his descriptions there. edit edit (!) Having now re-read the Kernow page, I can see the Island/Mainland descriptions in there - I'd swear they weren't there earlier. When their email came, I read it through a number of times with out seeing that either. (Is it me?). Not to worry, all sorted now thanks. And Rule 1 applies if one gets to nw Norfolk! Edited September 19, 2014 by stewartingram Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garethp8873 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 (edited) Now I have calmed down and had my "Must pre-order these now!!" moment, I can now say what I want without freaking out. Firstly, well done to DJ Models and Kernow Model Rail Centre on deciding to bring this very interesting prototype to the RTR market. I am sure that this wagon will be another success for you alongside the other announcements you have done so far. I am certainly looking forward to getting them when they come out. Now that you have announced one of the first wagons for DJ Models and possibly the first RTR LSWR wagon, do you think you may follow this up with a LSWR vans or open wagon at all? Garethp8873. Edited September 19, 2014 by Garethp8873 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Looked but can't find the 'absolutely bloody great' button..... To be ordered. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 19, 2014 The ones provided to the military had a veranda at both ends. The Metropolitan sealed up the loading doors on their examples and used them as straight brake vans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 How long did these remain in service, and were they mainly local to LSWR lines in BR days? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Now I have calmed down and had my "Must pre-order these now!!" moment, I can now say what I want without freaking out. Firstly, well done to DJ Models and Kernow Model Rail Centre on deciding to bring this very interesting prototype to the RTR market. I am sure that this wagon will be another success for you alongside the other announcements you have done so far. I am certainly looking forward to getting them when they come out. Now that you have announced one of the first wagons for DJ Models and possibly the first RTR LSWR wagon, do you think you may follow this up with a LSWR vans or open wagon at all? Garethp8873. Hi Gateth, Thanks for the nice comments, but please don't be mistaken here. This is a Kernow product as they have commissioned me to make it for them, footing all the costs. Only they will be selling it and they will own the tools. I'm way to small to consider wagons and coaches at present and for the foreseeable future as well, sorry Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Brinkly Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well done Dave. Excellent news. Will it have the standard 26mm axle? (Thinking of possible P4 conversion.) Regards, Nick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 Nick I have certainly asked during the development stage for standard 26mm axles to be used on both this and the Gate Stock models (even though I don't need or want to move my wheels further apart...) just to show I do think of you wider modellers... Grins... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 19, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 19, 2014 How long did these remain in service, and were they mainly local to LSWR lines in BR days? They mostly ended up dedicated to specific LSWR branch lines but, as with other 10-ton brake vans, probably disappeared from main line use quite early in BR days. Lyme Regis had one of the heavier sort (probably because of the gradients involved) until about 1960-61 when it was replaced with one of the 15-ton Pillbox brakes. I doubt that many of the 1541 diagram vans remained in revenue-earning service on the mainland by that time. While they remained in traffic, it's quite possible that some might have migrated to other parts of the Southern Region or penetrated into adjacent bits of the Western. Their facility for carrying small items made them useful in pick-up goods trains where it avoided the need to use a whole goods van to carry oddments. The proximity of such packets to the guard would also deter pilfering and offers a good reason for a 10-ton van to survive so long. John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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