David Todd Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Golden Arrow exit's Shakespeare Tunnel,a mile off arriving at Dover Marine. P1266043 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1266048 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr Golden Arrow has departed Dover Marine, a few hundred yards,to enter Shakespeare Tunnel,Dover. P1266035 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr P1266028 by David Todd 2012, on Flickr 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted August 7, 2017 Share Posted August 7, 2017 Hi at all ! The 71008 is now sonorised. I'm happy, but the sound of an electric locomotive is not as good as a diesel or steam locomotive. Good watching ! https://youtu.be/5ZBwcUfraU0 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Hi, Here some pictures of the 71008. Have a good day ! 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I would think that if it is the Golden Arrow version then it will only have the headcodes appropriate for the Golden Arrow. Any other headcode would be wrong Luke 46 is the standard boat train headcode Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 46 is the standard boat train headcode But only if running via Herne Hill and Orpington. This was No 1 Boat Train Route. No 2 was via Maidstone East, No 3 Via Canterbury East. And pathways existed via the Catford Loop as well as via Herne Hill. Tides and conditions in the Channel, affecting sailing times, could all influence the route the Arrow took on a particular day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Here's an example of the golden Arrow with headcode 74 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5448032952/in/album-72157603648772112/ And 75 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5431432598/in/album-72157603648772112/ Edited August 9, 2017 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 . Did the Golden Arrow ever run via Redhill ? . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted August 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Did the Golden Arrow ever run via Redhill ?. Not with class 71 haulage. The line from Redhill to Tonbridge, which the train would have had to follow, was not electrified until 1993 which is long after the GA ceased operating. Interestingly this route did become a diversionary route for Eurostar trains when they were operating from Waterloo and the normal route was not available for any reason. Edited August 9, 2017 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 7013 Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2017 I must confess not the most interesting sound chip I have ever heard, I think I can easily live without that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not with class 71 haulage. The line from Redhill to Tonbridge, which the train would have had to follow, was not electrified until 1993 which is long after the GA ceased operating. Interestingly this route did become a diversionary route for Eurostar trains when they were operating from Waterloo and the normal route was not available for any reason. Not quite... The power supply upgrade was done on the cheap, so wasn't suitable for anything more than multiple units; even they had restrictions as to how many units could be coupled together, and how many could be between Redhill and Tonbridge at any given time. The main routes for E* were via Tonbridge and Sevenoaks, and via Maidstone East. Tonbridge- Redhill was used as a freight diversionary route, but only for diesel-hauled trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) I must confess not the most interesting sound chip I have ever heard, I think I can easily live without that one. Yes, i am agree with you. I wonder if the sound is useful for an electric locomotive ... Edited August 11, 2017 by Module00 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not quite... The power supply upgrade was done on the cheap, so wasn't suitable for anything more than multiple units; even they had restrictions as to how many units could be coupled together, and how many could be between Redhill and Tonbridge at any given time. The main routes for E* were via Tonbridge and Sevenoaks, and via Maidstone East. Tonbridge- Redhill was used as a freight diversionary route, but only for diesel-hauled trains. But surely the electrification was paid for by one of the freight sectors, so they could run Class 92 services? Although how they were then going to get beyond Redhill, through Croydon, to Clapham Junction, where pathways were like gold-dust, was never clear to me. Perhaps I've forgotten something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2017 IIRC the Tonbridge - Redhill electrification was indeed done "on the cheap" as infill because current supplies already existed at both ends and minimal infrastructure was needed once these had been reinforced. Passenger traffic has usually been light. Tonbridge and Redhill owe little to each other, Edenbridge station is actually in Marlpit Hill while the others serve only small settlements and are some way from the villages named. The business case was built around a need to replace the aged and ailing WR DMU stock, some notional savings by using down-time in the EMU fleet for the electric service (meaning the cost of new trains was eliminated) and the ability to route electrically-hauled freights this way if required. I don't recall Channel Tunnel freight being in the equation as there may be insufficient power for a 92 and as Ian says where do they then go? Getting a path through the Croydon area is harder than getting a landing slot at Heathrow. Parcels trains did make use of the route but never the Golden Arrow and it never saw a class 71 on anything simply because they were long gone by the time the juice went in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Simon Lee Posted August 11, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 11, 2017 But surely the electrification was paid for by one of the freight sectors, so they could run Class 92 services? Although how they were then going to get beyond Redhill, through Croydon, to Clapham Junction, where pathways were like gold-dust, was never clear to me. Perhaps I've forgotten something. Rfd did indeed contribute to the electrification scheme, however it would in theory it would have only been possible to have one 92 under power between Redhill and Tonbridge. Plus there were issues with immunisation of the signal system on the line. Redhill was mainly intended for diversionary use for SB1C gauge traffic every four weeks when the Maidstone East was under possession, and obviously when disruption occurred due to incidents. There was however one booked path IIRC 1145 - 1200 from Wembley which was available, and used for a short while by a trial service to Spain, traffic levels never took off and that died after a very short time. Normal ferry wagons could pass via any of the routes Maidstone / Sevenoaks / or Redhill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted August 12, 2017 Share Posted August 12, 2017 Has anybody had any issues with theirs derailing over Peco Large Radius Code 75 straight points ? My blue one has started doing it but my green ones fine. There doesn't seem to be anything obvious causing it either. I was thinking maybe its the back to back on just the leading wheelset as it only does it at one end but checked it with a code 75 B2B and it seemed OK Admittedly it wasn't removed from the bogie but wasn't to sure I could remove it without it breaking something. Doesn't matter whether its trailing or facing it just jumps of the track and drops into the 4 foot. Could it be that something is limiting the bogies swing? Or maybe due to the wheel flange itself? Running out of ideas on this now so any suggestions are welcomed. a Much obliged Trailrage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted August 15, 2017 Share Posted August 15, 2017 Things just seem to get more frustrating with this as its now derailing on my 3 foot radius curves. No super elavation or changes of gradient but the silly thing just goes straight when it gets to a curve ??????????? I literally have no idea what could be causing it . Looks like a strip down may be on the cards for this one. one confused Trailrage 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted August 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2017 (edited) Edit.. I'm going mad. Edited August 15, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Things just seem to get more frustrating with this as its now derailing on my 3 foot radius curves. No super elavation or changes of gradient but the silly thing just goes straight when it gets to a curve ??????????? I literally have no idea what could be causing it . Looks like a strip down may be on the cards for this one. one confused Trailrage I know you have probably already investigated this, but it really sounds to me like the bogie movement is being restricted, particularly in the up and down plane, but also possibly any vertical movement when the bogies shift horizontally (I'm not sure I have explained that well). Try pushing each bogie sideways then move them up and down while holding them to the side. Then try the same thing with them turned slightly. See if any components are snagging or raised slightly to prevent the vertical movement. I have memories of a Bachmann class 66 doing much the same as you described; there were two mechanisms combining to cause the effect. One was the centre axle being slightly lower mounted than the outer axles (I'll go no further with that because that cannot occur on a Bo-Bo); the second was a small separate fitting on the inner end of one of the inner end of one bogie that was attached too high, so fouled the body side when the bogie pivoted. A file fixed that! 3..........3 Edit: Sorry. Small kitt en assisting mbe with typing! Edited August 16, 2017 by SRman 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted August 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 16, 2017 Edit: Sorry. Small kitt en assisting mbe with typing! Pictures, please. (Sorry, off-topic) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 (edited) Pictures, please. (Sorry, off-topic) An earlier photo of the kind of "assistance" I was getting! And a few others to show what they look like. One-handed typing is not that easy - neither am I good at it!! Edit: p.s. Keep these away from your budgie! Edited August 16, 2017 by SRman 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted August 16, 2017 Share Posted August 16, 2017 Not quite... The power supply upgrade was done on the cheap, so wasn't suitable for anything more than multiple units; even they had restrictions as to how many units could be coupled together, and how many could be between Redhill and Tonbridge at any given time. The main routes for E* were via Tonbridge and Sevenoaks, and via Maidstone East. Tonbridge- Redhill was used as a freight diversionary route, but only for diesel-hauled trains. the signalling is also limiting , several long sections of the line signalled with colour light signals on the home/distant TCB principle, the distant signal cannot show a red aspect, only yellow or green, this restricts the capacity of the line Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted August 20, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 20, 2017 Rfd did indeed contribute to the electrification scheme, however it would in theory it would have only been possible to have one 92 under power between Redhill and Tonbridge. Plus there were issues with immunisation of the signal system on the line. Redhill was mainly intended for diversionary use for SB1C gauge traffic every four weeks when the Maidstone East was under possession, and obviously when disruption occurred due to incidents. There was however one booked path IIRC 1145 - 1200 from Wembley which was available, and used for a short while by a trial service to Spain, traffic levels never took off and that died after a very short time. Normal ferry wagons could pass via any of the routes Maidstone / Sevenoaks / or Redhill. The signalling immunisation and other improvements didn't happen because it would have needed an additional IECC processor unit and in the end nobody was prepared to pay for it, especially Eurostar who would have borne the larger part of the costs. Due to congestion, and additional operating costs, it would never have made any sense as a Eurostar diversionary route in any case hence it ended up solely as a Channel Tunnel freight diversionary route as explained above. Thus Redhill - Tonbridge was never cleared for Eurostars and neither was the mainline down to Redhill from the London area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Excellent pictures very good. For the class 71 DJM seriously the run is'nt realy good... i waited very more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Module00 Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 Hi have changed the speaker ESU by a Zimo with sound box... no difference for the sound power.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trade Member charliepetty Posted August 25, 2017 Trade Member Share Posted August 25, 2017 Hi have changed the speaker ESU by a Zimo with sound box... no difference for the sound power.. Who's sounds are you using??? Which speaker are you using. Charlie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts