Brian Hawkins Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I would have thought in this day and age much consideration would have given to the ability to put sound chip and decent speaker into a NEW model. You can just about, after some modification to this models very cramped interior put in a cube speaker and sound chip. Having read Dave's breakdown of the DJM class 71 a major consideration in the design of his model was the ease of putting in a sound system. The only marketing I have done is to watch The Apprentice and I'm damn sure that Lord Sugar would have fired the Hornby crewe if he had seen their efforts!! But the proof of the pudding is in the eating! I think these columns will see some very interesting comparisons and comments next year!!?? I for one do not want another Hornby class 71 even if they get discounted down to a tenner each! That's a bit harsh to say the least, I have the Hornby 71's and a very fine model they are too, considering the DJM 71's are unfortunately some way off yet, I really find your post rather strange Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jjb1970 Posted December 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2016 I hardly think removing the pantograph parts on the inside of this poorly designed model will cause the motor to malfunction - or, perhaps, I am missing something here?? Why don't you call or e-mail Hornby and explain the situation. The worst they can do is tell you that you've voided the warranty, on the other hand they may help. Either way you've got nothing to lose. My own experience with Hornby product support has been very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Simon Lee Posted December 14, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 14, 2016 I would have thought in this day and age much consideration would have given to the ability to put sound chip and decent speaker into a NEW model. You can just about, after some modification to this models very cramped interior put in a cube speaker and sound chip. Having read Dave's breakdown of the DJM class 71 a major consideration in the design of his model was the ease of putting in a sound system. The only marketing I have done is to watch The Apprentice and I'm damn sure that Lord Sugar would have fired the Hornby crewe if he had seen their efforts!! But the proof of the pudding is in the eating! I think these columns will see some very interesting comparisons and comments next year!!?? I for one do not want another Hornby class 71 even if they get discounted down to a tenner each! Clearly you have a dislike of Hornby and it's Class 71, seems strange to nail your colours to the mast when in an earlier post you admit to not having seen a DJM loco in the flesh. For the record I have 2 Hornby 71's, a DC kits 71 and a DJM one on order so I'm keeping an open mind. Having shown both to drivers who worked on the locos they were mightily impressed with the Hornby one, and are interested in seeing my DJ one as only one has vague recollections of the on in GFYE. I have no real interest in sound fitted locos, what's important to me is a locos that accurately replicates, as far as processes allow, its full size counterpart, the Hornby one does and I look forward to seeing my DJ one in the flesh to again make an accurate comparison between models and the real thing but I would be foolish to state that either one is the mutts nuts without seeing theDJ one on the desk in front of me. Mr Jones clearly from what he posts on here has a good skill sets in marketing, and producing models, your comments regarding Hornby and the Apprentice do seem a bit strange, not only to me but to others who have stated same as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest 40-something Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) I would have thought in this day and age much consideration would have given to the ability to put sound chip and decent speaker into a NEW model. You can just about, after some modification to this models very cramped interior put in a cube speaker and sound chip. Having read Dave's breakdown of the DJM class 71 a major consideration in the design of his model was the ease of putting in a sound system. The only marketing I have done is to watch The Apprentice and I'm damn sure that Lord Sugar would have fired the Hornby crewe if he had seen their efforts!! But the proof of the pudding is in the eating! I think these columns will see some very interesting comparisons and comments next year!!?? I for one do not want another Hornby class 71 even if they get discounted down to a tenner each! Seeing as you are so keen to tear the Hornby product to shreds, its strange you didnt mention your problems when you posted on the Hornby 71 thread, in fact you seemed rather pleased... "Posted 07 August 2016 - 08:40 Just fitted a sound chip into E5001. Runs well and sounds good. Well pleased as the younger generation say." Im not a Hornby apologist, they have dropped some clangers, and they have produced some fine models, Their 71 is in the latter group for me, and has to be the best runner I've had in an RTR loco ever. I havent fitted a chip but I have had the body off to see what needs done and with a little bit of thought, it can be easily done. I wish Dave well on his 71, it looks great in the photos so far. Will I compare it to the Hornby one, no, and likewise I wont compare the Hornby 71 to DJM's effort. It must be a kick in the teeth to face this delay, but Im sure it will be worth waiting for (I dont have one on order, I may pick one up, but Im looking forward to the 74 more) Edited December 14, 2016 by 40-something Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 (edited) I tell you what, why don't we just concentrate on the essence of the thread; that being the DJM Class 71? No edit as such, just copied the text to post in the DJM 74 thread - ho hum, here we go again. Edited December 18, 2016 by leopardml2341 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted December 14, 2016 Share Posted December 14, 2016 I am sticking with Dave. I have every faith that his will be the better model. Hec we have waited this long a few more weeks wont matter Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 When you live overseas, you tend to get used to waiting longer for things in any case. I am quite content to wait and when my models turn up, they turn up! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 15, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 15, 2016 When you live overseas, you tend to get used to waiting longer for things in any case. I am quite content to wait and when my models turn up, they turn up! By which time they will - for us - have travelled from China to the UK to Australia ......... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 No doubt there will be some that see the other 71 alternative and cancel theirs, but I'm hoping it won't cause a 'run on the bank' as it were. It seems the majority are keeping the faith and I thank them for being part of history. Cheers Dave I havent ordered a 71 (purely for financial reasons) but am hoping to buy some next year so even if some do cancel I am sure there are others out there in the same position as me who will gladly take up the slack as it were. I am sure nobody is more disappointed than you at the moment but I am sure the model will be worth the wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoverPriory Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 That's a bit harsh to say the least, I have the Hornby 71's and a very fine model they are too, considering the DJM 71's are unfortunately some way off yet, I really find your post rather strange In the 12 years I have run a model railway layout (I cant really call myself a modeller) I have had several 'brushes' with Hornby in short: To me their class 71 is a continuation of a string of poorly thought out and constructed models a typical example being their class 423 VEPs (thank goodness Bachmann produce numerous EMUs and Thumpers that are robust and reliable). Does anybody still run these Hornby VEPs? And yes I was pleased after struggling to fit a sound chip into one of their 71s after I was told it was impossible. But when that loco then discharges black gunge on the track that affects the running of locos on the layout - that isn't acceptable? As for contacting Hornby - I haven't found that very productive in the past eg I had problems with their air-smoothed Bulleid Pacifics a few years back after the valve gear on a number of them continually 'fell apart' from day 1 of use. Their attitude was that the locos had been fitted with a sound chip, by a major company I might add, who had damaged the models and that in future I was told that must take my 'repairs' elsewhere! My attitude towards Hornby is to buy only that which I REALLY want/ can't get elsewhere. 'Caveat emptor' and 'illegitimi non carbrundum' sum up my attitude to the company. When it arrives the DJM class 71 (which we are promised can be fitted with chip and decent-sized speaker) will, I am sure, be a quality product on a par with the SLW class 24. And this is my final comment on this thread - until the DJM model arrives when I hope I will be allowed to say that the wait was worth it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Yep I still run their VEPs (all 3 of them) and other EMUs, they are easier to get apart than Bachmann's EMUs but generally agree that Bachmann's are better all round. One VEP did suffer from having one pair of wheels both non-isolated, but from that I learned that the bogies unclip very easily, so I could switch the direction of the first pair (the first pair had bogies the wrong way around). Trackwork needs to be really flat and smooth to run Hornby EMUs though as some parts of the chassis are really rigid. Back to 71, my choice on DJM is for several reasons but namely easy DCC sound fitting (I hope Hornby noted that weakness on their loco which is quite large and they don't repeat it on the 87), DJM comes with a 21 pin socket too which - in theory - gives us more functions, providing of course the loco lighting circuit is designed to exploit it. Then there are colours and choices which better suit my needs. And the promises of a 74 too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1023 Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I don't particularly want to take any side in this - I've not handled the Hornby version, but have been put off by the awful looking headcode stickers and thick plastic handrails. Dave announced his first, but I didn't pre-order because I wanted green, full yellow ends which wasn't originally announced. This was then announced and I pre-ordered and I have to add mighty fine it looked when a pic appeared REM a couple of months ago. I will probably follow this up eventually with both the Hattons GA versions and a class 74 (sorry Dave but there probably won't be anymore though). Don't really care about delays. I can wait. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DJM Dave Posted December 17, 2016 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2016 Hi everyone, Hot on the heals of disappointment at the production date slipping for the class 71, I have been sent the box and certificate for approval. Hope you like, the insert within the box will be black foam with an accessory bag in a side slot, and a loose foam cover to protect the loco should postie / shipper induce vertical movement into the box somehow. The box is a hard card type in house colours, with a relief map of Dover's rail system behind the 71 side view. Inside will be a schematic of the model, a parts list (already all on my website) a thank you to you, the crowdfunders, and notes on lubrication and basic maintenance etc. Please excuse the camera phone pics. Hope you like? cheers Dave 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRAILRAGE Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 that box is almost as gorgeous as the loco! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted December 17, 2016 Share Posted December 17, 2016 It could do with a couple of cutouts in the middle of the lid edges, so that the bottom can be gripped with finger and thumb. The boxes for the Austerities could be quite tight fitting. Agree that the boxes are nice – they succeed in looking distinctive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 18, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2016 that box is almost as gorgeous as the loco! As it says on the box "Setting Higher Standards" And that is across the board from communication with the customer base through research and development to the quality of the product itself. And its packaging. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pebbles Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Is the model in the box as long as you don't open the box? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopardml2341 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Ah, Jones's HA conundrum 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les1952 Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Ah, Jones's HA conundrum To be followed by the Hanjin(berg) Uncertainty Principle- You know where the boat is but not when your trains will arrive.... Les 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davesol Posted December 18, 2016 Share Posted December 18, 2016 Sticking with the DJM model, will probably give me a little more time to save for the GA one from Hattons as that is also delayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tomparryharry Posted January 1, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 1, 2017 Is the model in the box as long as you don't open the box? Schrodinger's Cat, perhaps? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Schrodinger's Cat, perhaps? I don't think a cat would fit in that box! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 This is great news! Cant wait. I'll be ordering several on Sunday. I guess it's too early, but E5003, Green SYP, will it have the red body line or not? I guess E5004 NYP will have? Thanks in advance E5003 with SYP would probably have been unlined. Going to unlined green was the first livery change as early as 1961. A lot of them, probably all of them ran in unlined green with no yellow at all. As for the yellow panels well there are plenty of variations. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted January 30, 2017 Share Posted January 30, 2017 Hi Dave and all, February is just around the corner so I'd like to know if delivery is on target now please? Cheers all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted January 30, 2017 Author Share Posted January 30, 2017 Hi Mike, production started before CNY but completion of any particular batch didn't happen, and i wasn't going to ship only a few 71's to a few lucky crowd funders as it would be unfair. no doubt i'll have an update as soon as CNY is over. cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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