RMweb Gold 4630 Posted February 20, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 20, 2015 Thanks Dave - no great rush! But in principle, I would put my sovs up front. And, on this occasion, I'm prepared to part with some of my cash up front too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted February 20, 2015 Author Share Posted February 20, 2015 Thanks guys, Let me chat with Chris and get back to you all. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 Even if you decide it isnt a good idea (yet) I am sure we can all wait for the 74 <if we must>. All the best things come to those who wait. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Just found this. Probably too late to be of any use. Dave scan001.jpg It appears to be towing an EMU from the horns on the adjacent vehicle................ Here's my twopennethworth. Not all good shots but may help with the bogies and the roof panelling. Full res scans are available, of course and I also own the copyrights. Dave Scan-150220-0008.jpg Oooo - I can just smell the brewing hops in the air from Youngs Fullers at Wandsworth (you need to have been to CJ in the 70's to understand) EDIT - mixing my beer Edited February 20, 2015 by Southernman46 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 3rd Rail Exile Posted February 20, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 20, 2015 Oooo - I can just smell the brewing hops in the air from Fullers at Wandsworth (you need to have been to CJ in the 70's to understand) Surely Youngs was Wandsworth - Fullers is Chiswick... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 It appears to be towing an EMU from the horns on the adjacent vehicle................ Oooo - I can just smell the brewing hops in the air from Youngs Fullers at Wandsworth (you need to have been to CJ in the 70's to understand) EDIT - mixing my beer I think it may have been an Inspection Saloon. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 . Did the Southern ever consider a Class 72 ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) Dave, How about a 71 in IC livery? http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/15045-gatwick-express-class-71/ Edited February 20, 2015 by JSpencer 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 (edited) It appears to be towing an EMU from the horns on the adjacent vehicle................ Oooo - I can just smell the brewing hops in the air from Youngs Fullers at Wandsworth (you need to have been to CJ in the 70's to understand) EDIT - mixing my beer :jester Edited February 20, 2015 by dasatcopthorne Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsp3970 Posted February 20, 2015 Share Posted February 20, 2015 . Did the Southern ever consider a Class 72 ? Class 72 was supposed to be the type JA, which in the end became class 73/0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) It appears to be towing an EMU from the horns on the adjacent vehicle................ Oooo - I can just smell the brewing hops in the air from Youngs Fullers at Wandsworth (you need to have been to CJ in the 70's to understand) EDIT - mixing my beer Yes, I remember it well. It wasn't every day by any means but once in a while I'd be going home on a 4Sub and it would be a wonderfully warm and tasty smell. At the age of 8 I didn't realise what it was actually caused by... Luke Edited February 21, 2015 by luke_stevens Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 No one seems to have mentioned on here, the fact that Hornby had a Class 71 in their showcase at Modelrail Scotland. Is it a kit they have had made up or a pre-production test? See the picture in post 63 in the Modelrail Scotland thread in 'exhibitions'. I've order mine so won't be changing. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
10800 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hard to tell, I would bet on a kit though. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/95067-model-rail-scotland/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1789087 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Revolution Mike Posted February 23, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 23, 2015 I don't think it was a kit - I had a good squint at it. My guess would be a good 3D print from Hornby's CAD. The only thing that slightly spoiled it was the windows. Cheers, Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Probably got one from Dave Jones....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hard to tell, I would bet on a kit though. http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/95067-model-rail-scotland/page-3&do=findComment&comment=1789087 On that basis are all the other models on display kits as well? Did anyone suggest that the 3D print of the King at Warley was a model or is this just more sniping at Hornby? Cheers Shane 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Oooo - I can just smell the brewing hops in the air from Youngs Fullers at Wandsworth (you need to have been to CJ in the 70's to understand) EDIT - mixing my beer I think the smell actually came from Watneys in York road. Wandsworth was a lot less smelly after it was demolished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 And Price's Candle Factory... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAndy Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hello all, I've been following this thread with interest. I've never really been into Southern region gear so could someone kindly explain to the uninitiated (me), why the 71's and 74's were scrapped but the 73's were kept? Just out of interest..... Many thanks Andy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 71: straight electric so not as versatile as E-D types - most of their work dried up or could be easily handled by 73s. Used on eastern section only. 74: had the versatility of the 73s and more power but proved rather very unreliable. Used on western section only. 73: versatile, reliable and more of them than the other classes. Also used region-wide so better known at all the major maintenance locations. The above may be an over-simplification but is my attempt to sum it all up in a nutshell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dasatcopthorne Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) On that basis are all the other models on display kits as well? Did anyone suggest that the 3D print of the King at Warley was a model or is this just more sniping at Hornby? Cheers Shane No point in bringing that sort of tone into this thread. It's only a straight question, based on the fact that the model was only recently announced and that it seems to have a kit type panto. Dave Edited February 23, 2015 by dasatcopthorne 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 (edited) Small class numbers - effectively non standard...............work starting to dry up 71's electric only 74's amazingly unreliable Also 73's were without doubt the most versatile engines ever built.................. Wot SRMan said................. Edited February 23, 2015 by Southernman46 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2009 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hello all, I've been following this thread with interest. I've never really been into Southern region gear so could someone kindly explain to the uninitiated (me), why the 71's and 74's were scrapped but the 73's were kept? Just out of interest..... Many thanks Andy Hello Andy, The 73's worked ... or is that being really unfair? Serioulsy, love the 71s (and 74s) - Mr Jones, can we pleeeeeease have a 71/4 in N gauge? Don't even care if it works or not - so long as it looks good :-) Mark PS - Following this 00 thread with enormous interest. DJ Models has an extremely exciting forthcoming product range of which this is the most eyecatching (even if there's nothing yet for N gauge BR (S) modellers). Still ... we can forgive this temporary oversight .... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 Hello all, I've been following this thread with interest. I've never really been into Southern region gear so could someone kindly explain to the uninitiated (me), why the 71's and 74's were scrapped but the 73's were kept? Just out of interest..... Many thanks Andy While I'm no expert by any means, I believe it was partly because both the 71's and 74's smaller in numbers than the 73's (71's+74's = 24, 73's = 49) Yet the 71's (Only 14 by time of withdrawal) could only be operated on routes with 3rd rail, as they were electric. This resulted in 71's having to be detoured to remain on routes with the 3rd rail pick-up. The 74's, while they had both 3rd rail shoes and an on-board engine, and were more powerful than the 73's, they suffered from electrical reliability issues, as well as unreliability issues when running on diesel power. The diesel reliability issues were why 74's were subbed for 33's on trains to Weymouth, as they were not trusted and the possibility of a blocked line couldn't be risked. And they were only a 10 strong class. The small class numbers, meant their non standard designs were uneconomical in terms of maintenance. Whereas both the 73's and 33's were more reliable, even if they were not as powerful, and were larger in numbers. So when it came to loco rationalising, bearing in mind there were 98 Class 33's built as well, it made sense to dispose of the 71's and 74's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted February 23, 2015 Share Posted February 23, 2015 The control systems of the 74 were quite advanced for their time, one of the first uses of solid state kit in a loco IIRC. When they worked they were very impressive, fast, strong and smooth riding. They were intended for heavy boat trains amongst other things. Subbing for a REP a 74 and an 8TC made for a fun trip. Unreliability and falling boat train traffic were factors in their short existence. In the end there were enough 73's to cover the work. In the excuse for anything department they were even used on a Weymouth parcels for a time. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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