Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Do some of these details matter when they are zooming around your layout ? ! I have not got the newer pc's as what I have does the job ! The interiors of the newer mk3 coaches are all completely wrong and does show however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hi Paul Get 100 RMW users and ask them to list what details matter to them and what details do not matter and you will get a very interesting combination. For example, to me the HST looks quite wrong and the errors stick out like the sore thumb. Yet I would happily mix the different types of MK3 catering car that upsets people so much (ECML VS CC and GWML variant). Equally, I am repeatedly told that my Lima 37's are wrong- too short/long too tall/low but to me they capture the look quite well. I am working on a fictitious sub class of freight loco that never saw (routine) passenger working. Big deal. Yet some here are building fictitious stations and panicking over putting stock on it that was based 300 miles away from their chosen location. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hi Paul Get 100 RMW users and ask them to list what details matter to them and what details do not matter and you will get a very interesting combination. For example, to me the HST looks quite wrong and the errors stick out like the sore thumb. Yet I would happily mix the different types of MK3 catering car that upsets people so much (ECML VS CC and GWML variant). Equally, I am repeatedly told that my Lima 37's are wrong- too short/long too tall/low but to me they capture the look quite well. I am working on a fictitious sub class of freight loco that never saw (routine) passenger working. Big deal. Yet some here are building fictitious stations and panicking over putting stock on it that was based 300 miles away from their chosen location. You're quite right, of course. For example, I think that ViTrains 37s capture the windscreens better than Bachmann ones but many prefer the Bachmann version. Excuse me for not digging out my ancient Lima 37 to remind myself what I think of it. I'm curious, though. If your sub-class of freight locomotive never saw routine passenger working, how can it have seen non-routine passenger working if it's fictitious? Note that I've nothing against might-have-beens as such. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Have we drifted into a riddle discussion?It is a freight locomotive class. It was built as a freight locomotive only. It has been used on passenger workings as a rescue locomotive and for enthusiast specials back in the dim and distant past. It was never used for regular, scheduled passenger services. I am modifying one to represent how the design would have evolved had the once-planned passenger variant actually been built. It is half way through and has had a roundtuit reference number applied. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Have we drifted into a riddle discussion? It is a freight locomotive class. It was built as a freight locomotive only. It has been used on passenger workings as a rescue locomotive and for enthusiast specials back in the dim and distant past. It was never used for regular, scheduled passenger services. I am modifying one to represent how the design would have evolved had the once-planned passenger variant actually been built. It is half way through and has had a roundtuit reference number applied. Ah! I only wondered how a fictitious locomotive could have pulled anything. It's clear now. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 (edited) My main gripe it that neither the HST nor the MK3s have NEM pockets. Another bug bear is the missing vents on the buffet car, and on the TGS the seats are a different colour than the rest of the set (blue/grey) and the buffers need to go as well. The price is high too when you compare them to the new MK2Es, don't get it?? Edited November 15, 2015 by thebritfarmer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 The buffet roof vents can be rectified very, very easily (not that you should have to at that price). What cannot be rectified easily is the totally different moulding that has been used. The end vents are in fairly low relief and the roof ribs do not match up whatsoever. Very poor. I am going to investigate whether silicone moulds can be made from the old Lima bodies (preferably after fitting with Shawplan parts) and totally bypass Hornby altogether. Benefit is that there's no copyright or patent breach in place by doing so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted November 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2015 I realise this might prove controversial, but I am not convinced the power cars are all that great either. - livery is incorrect on all the BR variants - The bogies feature incorrect detail for any type not infected with a MTU replacement power plant - The grill- much lauded for its ability to see straight through (no Marston's behind to look at!) has the wrong number of grill slats - Wrong numbers for guard/ non-guard variety (BR variants only of course) - wind deflector below the wiper present when it shouldn't be - Not great detail around the inner ends - Worst of all: look at the nose, across the lip- it is far too flat. There should be a very subtle curvature across it- something that a bloke with a measuring stick got right 30 years ago but modern LASER measuring cannot. They aren't bad, but for that price it is somewhat irritating that there's all this clever detailing and yet so many fundamental flaws with the basics. I appreciate this won't sit well with everyone and I respect your viewpoint, so I ask that you respect mine. PS I wouldn't touch any more Mazak built chassis until there is a cast iron (!) guarantee that the zinc issues are resolved. Good summary Derek, now I could be completely wrong here (often am!) but when I was masking up my FGW power cars, I couldn't quite get it right across the headlights, perhaps indicating there is something slightly amiss in the positioning, I tried following prototype pics but just couldn't quite nail it!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Hello James You weren't the chap that I was conversing with about HST pipework by any chance? If so, you couldn't point me to which of your threads it was, could you? I didn't book mark it but aside from the HST it looked a damned good thread to read. As for the lamp clusters, thanks for reminding me. The lamp unit is, I think set too high from the lip- not much, but enough- something with the lip-lamp, lamp, lamp- w/screen relationship that just isn't right. What I meant about the lamps though is the outer "glass" and the recessed lights, compared to the older generation that had a much thicker lens and "tubes" of plastic from the lens. I can't remember who- maybe on your thread- that suggested painting inside black to disguise it. I haven't had chance to try it yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted November 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 15, 2015 Thanks Derek, that was me! My thread is here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/44066-james-makins-workbench-electrostars-90s-gwml-oxfordshire-wells-green-tmd/page-13 The FGW 'Fag Packet' power cars start on page 13 (Jan 2015) and then lots of varying discussion in the 6-7 odd pages after including the Mk3s with the connecting pipe work etc! I'd already finished my power cars but for the next ones (GWT 'Merlin') I'll definitely have a look at trying out the tips on changing the look of the lights with black paint and see how it works out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 15, 2015 Share Posted November 15, 2015 Thanks James Aside from the HST (which apart from being in worst western colours rather than blue or Swallow, were pretty close to perfect) you had some quite good stuff you were working on. I shall have a look. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 16, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 16, 2015 Wow that FGW liveried HST is awesome. I've always loved the Fag Packet livery. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tractor_37260 Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 CDL fittings on Mk3 HST coaches. Where these retro fitted to coaches while still in Exec InterCity125 livery or just Swallow versions ? Yes.............. Hornby even has them (incorrectly) on some versions of their Blue/Grey MK3's - strange as some being ex Lima coaches that never had them ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 17, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 17, 2015 I still need some HST cars and I am modelling late 70s early 80s or so I have a late ringfield set with scale length centre cars all look same batch to me, all clearish glazing, no Lima look, for length reason dropping a couple of coaches pre TGS . Looks like Joeff for loco hauled and Lima or Y2000 Hornby for centres still I need a 3a set (with BG and Mark 1 buffet) and a NESW HST Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Was the TGS ever used on anything other than HST sets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Britfarmer There was at least one (and I believe possibly a couple more though I've never seen them) that were used on the WCML. They were slightly different but basically the same. I was told (and have not had this confirmed) that they ordered a few spare TGS's that they ended up not needing so they were re-wired for WCML use, with buffers,RCH wires, drop buckeye and had slight changes for WCML requirements. Hopefully someone with more info will come along, but in the meantime that might help. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metropolitan cammell Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Britfarmer There was at least one (and I believe possibly a couple more though I've never seen them) that were used on the WCML. They were slightly different but basically the same. I was told (and have not had this confirmed) that they ordered a few spare TGS's that they ended up not needing so they were re-wired for WCML use, with buffers,RCH wires, drop buckeye and had slight changes for WCML requirements. Hopefully someone with more info will come along, but in the meantime that might help. Britfarmer There was at least one (and I believe possibly a couple more though I've never seen them) that were used on the WCML. They were slightly different but basically the same. I was told (and have not had this confirmed) that they ordered a few spare TGS's that they ended up not needing so they were re-wired for WCML use, with buffers,RCH wires, drop buckeye and had slight changes for WCML requirements. Hopefully someone with more info will come along, but in the meantime that might help. Are you thinking of the 3 mk3 bso coaches currently used with the fgw sleepers formally on thw wcml? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 If I could find a photo of them I would be able to say. As I said, I am not 100% sure what I wrote (hence the disclaimer). Are you thinking of the 3 mk3 bso coaches currently used with the fgw sleepers formally on thw wcml? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chy Mengrowyn Paul Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Our sleeper brakes are definitely NOT Ex TGS ! Separate build design altogether. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 (edited) EDIT:Found this https://www.flickr.com/photos/68628359@N04/15489903933 It is what I was thinking of and yes it is different to a TGS. But it's the same principle. Edited November 17, 2015 by Derekstuart Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Are you thinking of the 3 mk3 bso coaches currently used with the fgw sleepers formally on thw wcml? thats the 3 BFO coaches Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Removed a/c Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Thanks Chaps, I have an extra LIMA TGS executive livery and wondered if I could use it elsewhere in a rake ( I am modelling 1980s) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted November 17, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 17, 2015 Afraid the TGS Coaches were only ever used in HST sets. You could get a couple of old Mk1 or 2 coaches and convert them into Barrier Coaches to sandwich the TGS and model it being transferred from depot to works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derekstuart Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 Britfarmer, it wouldn't take too much work to convert it to one of these WCML or worst western BFO's. Just the change of a window or so. Then it could be used WCML- or in fact behind anything that had buffers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metropolitan cammell Posted November 17, 2015 Share Posted November 17, 2015 thats the 3 BFO coaches Thank you, I was almost there! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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