AlanRM Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 Succumbed to the delightful appearance of Peggy, which turned out to be the least expensive version available in non-DCC. last night on the net. Tests on the black version show it can climb 1in25+ gradients OK.with two bogie coaches or four bogie wagons. As the other 009 locos are Talyllyn "Thomas" types from Bachmann, I think the lines setting should be post WW1, as a line rather like Ashover, but retaining the tidied up trestle bridge as the main feature, To ease the gradient required to cross over a line under the bridge, the lower track will be dipped under the bridge, and the depth of the bridge central beam reduced to a minimum. I have some kit Ashover coaches, but see Bachmann has promised RTR versions. All the bogie WW1 stock from Backman can be used along with Peco items. from the L&B etc, The Baldwin is the best shot in the arm that 009 has had so far, with assistance from Peco.... Stephen Just to add my experience here - I have three locos from this range, and tests on the matt black (weathered) version using Powerbase show it will comfortably climb 1 1/2 inches for every foot travelled, carrying four lightweight passenger carriages. I am therefore using a more "gentle" (but still impressive) 1 inch rise for each foot travelled in a helix of around 18 inches in diameter. This gives roughly a 5ft circumference, so every rotation of the helix rises by five inches. It also enables remarkably steep climbs / descents in other visible parts of the layout - along mountain sides, ridges, etc. The downside is that the two Powerbase magnets required beneath the train (to pull towards the metal strips below the track, thus providing the grip) only just clear the sleepers (on Peco 009 flexible track), therefore the use of points, etc., would be impossible. I therefore plan to run two trains up the helix with Powerbase while the third, non-Powerbase, version, will trundle around the more horizontal goods yard. Also, would echo comments re sound with the Zimo card - pricey, but excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 25, 2018 Share Posted July 25, 2018 (edited) No experience with the powerhouse mentioned, but I have a Busch version where I lay the Peco Z gauge track on a flexible metal-plastic composite tape, and the Baldwin could do the same with small neodymium magnets behind the buffer plate. I can't see why points are a problem with powerhouse, just lay the point on a mild steel plate. What causes the issue with Peco points and the powerhouse magnets? Smaller magnets are made. The tape is not quite as good as solid steel, but it works fine with Busch and should work the same for 009, you may not get it to run vertically like the Busch, but it should overcome stiff gradients. I will experiment with the Baldwin and the tape just on gradients, not level where there is ample haulage. Stephen Edited July 25, 2018 by bertiedog 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bertiedog Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 I fitted two magnets to the underside of the cab behind the buffer beam, and a single disk magnet on to the front wheel pivot pin. They are fitted with PVA glue just so do a test and are removable. It now tackles about 1 in 8 alone, and 1 in 12 with two coaches, using the Peco track mounted on flexible metal tape. It seems well worth fitting more permanently but needs a method that does not cover the body retaining screws. The pivot pin at the front might need to be changed to metal to be better to glue to. Stephen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 26, 2018 Share Posted July 26, 2018 A number of Bachmann 009 price reductions noted today from Rails of Sheffield Flash Sale 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyewipe Jct Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 A number of Bachmann 009 price reductions noted today from Rails of Sheffield Flash Sale My credit card wishes you hadn't noticed that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 My credit card wishes you hadn't noticed that... Sorry about that...……….mine is just dithering on the brink at the moment!! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyewipe Jct Posted July 27, 2018 Share Posted July 27, 2018 Sorry about that...……….mine is just dithering on the brink at the moment!! Mine tripped on the brink & fell over head-first! It didn't help going to Tracks to the Trenches 2018 the other weekend & travelling behind 778 either... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold tractionman Posted July 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 28, 2018 A number of Bachmann 009 price reductions noted today from Rails of Sheffield Flash Sale And at Model Railways Direct https://www.modelrailwaysdirect.co.uk/oo9/Bachmann-narrow-gauge-391-025-baldwin-class-10-12-d-778-ww1-rod-black-weathered/ Cheers, Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 (edited) 778 running on DC on Tim Couling's Clyre Valley Edited July 30, 2018 by PaulRhB 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2018 778 running on DC on Tim Couling's Clyre Valley 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Nile Posted July 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2018 The throttle is quite sensitive when running on DC, but with care it can be controlled. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 The throttle is quite sensitive when running on DC, but with care it can be controlled. I noticed that when I ran some, however when Digitized slow speed control is excellent, theres time to make a cup of tea whilst a loco travels a couple of yards or less! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 The throttle is quite sensitive when running on DC, but with care it can be controlled. Quite correct. By small movements of the 'Volts in' control, it is possible to get heavy and lighter chuffs as well as coasting when decelerating. The model will come to a halt long before 0 volts is reached on deceleration, so it is possible to maintain lights and sound with a stationary loco, even on DC. The voltage to the track will be around 3-4v (loco will not move until circa 5-6v). If you very quickly reverse direction, it should be possible to also maintain lights and sound as the onboard capacitor helps to bridge the 'no volts' point. Easier with a separate direction control than with a centre-off knob. ZIMO decoders interpret the rising or falling voltage as equivalent to speed steps on DCC and the sound project reacts accordingly. But, as stated above, careful use of the control is required. Best regards, Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted July 31, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2018 Yes we had the sounds of load and coasting at various times. I took it over to tempt the layouts owner Tim because he banks the stone trains up the hill and it will sound superb with sound Trying to get that finesse on dc with the small dial of a gaugemaster handheld was difficult as it all happens in roughly a sixth of the dials range If he does go with sound then he would get the best out of it with a full dcc controller so that's the next temptation evening once my wifi multimaus arrives. He's already familiar with my dcc layouts but a few of the crew feel it would simplify the operation of it and then, why not add sound? The Baldwin started slipping with three opens and two vans from Bachmanns range so it would actually need banking for a longer train. Tims current stock is weighted and the locos matched so banking is actually needed and impressive to watch. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauliebanger Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Yes we had the sounds of load and coasting at various times. I took it over to tempt the layouts owner Tim because he banks the stone trains up the hill and it will sound superb with sound Trying to get that finesse on dc with the small dial of a gaugemaster handheld was difficult as it all happens in roughly a sixth of the dials range If he does go with sound then he would get the best out of it with a full dcc controller so that's the next temptation evening once my wifi multimaus arrives. He's already familiar with my dcc layouts but a few of the crew feel it would simplify the operation of it and then, why not add sound? The Baldwin started slipping with three opens and two vans from Bachmanns range so it would actually need banking for a longer train. Tims current stock is weighted and the locos matched so banking is actually needed and impressive to watch. Of course, loose banking from the rear, where the banker can slow down to allow the train to continue to pull away at the top of the grade when assistance is no longer required is one of the many things which can be done easily with DCC and is nigh impossible on DC. Even more impressive! Best regards, Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Of course, loose banking from the rear, where the banker can slow down to allow the train to continue to pull away at the top of the grade when assistance is no longer required is one of the many things which can be done easily with DCC and is nigh impossible on DC. Even more impressive! Best regards, Paul I agree very impressive, I had a steepish incline on one of my 00 layouts ( made purposely steep) I used to bank trains up with a Bachmann Jinty with a modified Kadee coupling which allowed the loco to push, but the knuckle did not engage so that at the summit, the Jinty would realistically slow as the train continued on its way 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2018 Of course, loose banking from the rear, where the banker can slow down to allow the train to continue to pull away at the top of the grade when assistance is no longer required is one of the many things which can be done easily with DCC and is nigh impossible on DC. Even more impressive! Best regards, Paul Where do these myths come from? Dropping off a banker on the move is most definitely NOT "nigh impossible on DC". Why DCC proponents continue to peddle this drivel is beyond me. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Where do these myths come from? Dropping off a banker on the move is most definitely NOT "nigh impossible on DC". Why DCC proponents continue to peddle this drivel is beyond me. Regards, John Isherwood. OK Please explain how it is done realistically on analogue I am sure there are some who would like to learn. BTW I am no a proponent of Digital systems simply a satisfied user of the system for over 20 years Prior to that I was a satisfied user of analogue systems for 40 odd years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzer models Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 OK Please explain how it is done realistically on analogue I am sure there are some who would like to learn. BTW I am no a proponent of Digital systems simply a satisfied user of the system for over 20 years Prior to that I was a satisfied user of analogue systems for 40 odd years. split the clime just be for the top & use a 2nd controller put the slower loco on the train once its left the split slow the loco at the back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 1, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 1, 2018 OK Please explain how it is done realistically on analogue I am sure there are some who would like to learn. BTW I am no a proponent of Digital systems simply a satisfied user of the system for over 20 years Prior to that I was a satisfied user of analogue systems for 40 odd years. Cab control, sectionalisation, and two way section switching to separate sections. Drive both locos on one controller then, when the banker is in the section where it is to drop off, switch it over to the second controller and slowly reduce the speed to a stand. Simples! Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 1, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 1, 2018 (edited) Where do these myths come from? Dropping off a banker on the move is most definitely NOT "nigh impossible on DC". Why DCC proponents continue to peddle this drivel is beyond me. Regards, John Isherwood. Where do these myths come from? Dropping off a banker on the move is most definitely NOT "nigh impossible on DC". Why DCC proponents continue to peddle this drivel is beyond me. Regards, John Isherwood. Didn't really need the dcc proponents drivel comment did it? as it's as sweeping as your consternation about dc banking Anyway let's not divert yet another thread to a dc vs dcc squabble as they are both good depending on what you prefer for control. I've got two Baldwins one dcc and one dc and shock horror both are good. The two in black here on a layout that does banking with DC! Edited August 1, 2018 by PaulRhB 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just out of interest what British narrow gauge line was it in Real Life that used bankers? I can think of some (not only UK based) that used double headers, but not bankers... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted August 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 2, 2018 Just out of interest what British narrow gauge line was it in Real Life that used bankers? I can think of some (not only UK based) that used double headers, but not bankers... I don't think any British line did as normal because most of the stock tended to be small 4 wheel and that doesn't bank well I've seen the photos of banking on some Irish 3ft lines and Tim's layout is influenced by a few lines. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 (edited) It's not just that, banking usually means that there's just one steep hill to get up which forms just a small part of the whole line, most British NG lines had either lots of ups and downs (Welshpool) or one continuous gradient (Tallylyn) both of which are probably better suited to double heading rather than banking. So a pretty daft discussion to get all het up on, then. Just do what the prototype did, double head which both DC and DCC can do and leave it at that... Edited August 2, 2018 by Hobby Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted August 2, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 2, 2018 Didn't really need the dcc proponents drivel comment did it? as it's as sweeping as your consternation about dc banking Accepted - but I do get fed up with certain DCC users who make grossly exaggerated claims for their chosen form of control - viz. "...one of the many things which can be done easily with DCC and is nigh impossible on DC". I'm all for just getting on with it - but I won't ignore 'fake news'. Regards, John Isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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