NZRedBaron Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Actually, that does also give me a thought; how many of the individual A4's have been modelled over the years, in whatever version of LNER or BR livery? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 3 hours ago, NZRedBaron said: Actually, that does also give me a thought; how many of the individual A4's have been modelled over the years, in whatever version of LNER or BR livery? A previous thread suggested they had all been done. Not accounting for minor differences such as chimneys and different tenders. Can't be bothered looking for it though...... Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZRedBaron Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 Fair enough; my own best estimate (going off the Hornby Products Database) was that there were six A4's that had never been done by them (possibly more if you included engines that were renamed). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 What ones? Don't forget many of them were mail order catalogue specials and retailer limited editions that weren't included in the Hornby catalogue. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZRedBaron Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 24 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: What ones? Don't forget many of them were mail order catalogue specials and retailer limited editions that weren't included in the Hornby catalogue. Jason Like I said, this was drawing from the Hornby Products Database, so it's likely out of date/not fully complete, but according to it, the following A4's have not been modelled for mass retail by Hornby in OO gauge: 4499/60002 Pochard/Sir Murrough Wilson 4462/60004 Great Snipe/William Whitelaw 4496/60008 Golden Shuttle/Dwight D. Eisenhower 2510/60015 Quicksilver 2511/60016 Silver King 4900/60032 Gannet My information, again, is likely to be inaccurate, and doesn't take into account if the engines were renamed at any point in their careers; for instance, I've seen models made up as 60034 Lord Faringdon, but not of her original form as 4903 Peregrine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
micklner Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 The Silver A4's have been done numerous times over the years. Gannet is pending https://uk.Hornby.com/products/Hornby-dublo-lner-a4-class-4-6-2-4900-gannet-era-3-r3972 Pochard https://wrennmodelrailways.com/product/default-category/Hornby-class-08-br-green-d3963-diesel-electric-shunter-model-r3037xs-62/ Great Snipe https://oliviastrains.com/product/Hornby-r3131-a4-4462-great-snipe-garter-blue/ Nothing on Golden Shuttle Eisenhower https://uk.Hornby.com/products/Hornby-dublo-br-class-a4-4-6-2-60008-dwight-d-eisenhower-great-gathering-10th-anniversary-era-10-r30265 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 20, 2023 Share Posted June 20, 2023 (edited) Golden Shuttle. https://www.hattons.co.uk/69519/hornby_r3280_class_a4_4_6_2_4496_golden_shuttle_in_lner_garter_blue_railroad_range/stockdetail And you've got me wanting more A4s now! It'll be P2 Thane Of Fife first though. I don't normally go for LNER era, but I quite like it in that condition. Jason Edited June 20, 2023 by Steamport Southport 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 On 18/06/2023 at 19:52, DougN said: Well the other night i had all the A4s out so lined them all up for a photo or 3 this one is the top view. 10000 is at the top of the shot with the orginal tender and coping around the tankfiller. I wouldn't mind seeing that on one of the silver 4 as fresh out of the works Finding a few strange goings on between my phone and attaching photos.. most appear to go upside down? Any how heres some i like! I took a few photos while they were on your layout on the Saturday. I didn't notice at the time that you had slipped 10000 in there as well. 😅 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 I needed to clean up the layout more than I had. 😁 The list of A4's that have been done at one time or another is quite long if you include all the Hornby Dublo 2 & 3 rail, Hornby ring fields and now the New versions of Hornby and Hornby dublo. I have restricted myself to the LNER livery and New version Hornby. So I am down to about 6 left to chase down, Silver Fox, Herring Gull, Great Snipe, Sir Wilson Murrough, Dominion of Canada (if it has a single chimney) and the unreleased Empire of India. I don't like how Osprey came out in gloss LNER Green... so no. I'll keep looking but I have noticed that the prices have gone through the roof as well... now over 150quid generally but I don't look on Ebay as the postage to me is ridiculous! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZRedBaron Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Yeah; the list does get a little longer if, as I said, you differentiate between renamings; for just one example, you can have three different models of 4901- Capercaillie from new until August 1942, Charles H. Newton from September 1942 to June 1943, and Sir Charles Newton from then to withdrawal. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 60027Merlin Posted June 21, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 21, 2023 Just come across this section. Here is Haymarket's Number 1 Link lined up for the camera. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougN Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 I have only done the post 2004 New version of the A4's excluding the Hornby Dublo versions in the LNER liveries as per below, there may be some that I have missed which may be down to me already having a version of that loco. This might help some people if you are looking to colllect them all! Where there is no R number this has not been done by Hornby in any livery. This may also help those looking at which loco to tender combination will be appropriate for what loco... BTW this may contain errors due to tender number but I have gone for the most numerous type. LNER liveryHonby codeNameLiveryDouble/single chimneynoteTender during LNERTender NoYear 2509R2965Silver LinkSilverSilver jubilee Ltd Edition 1000Curved back (streamlined)55892011 2510R3307QuicksilverSilverSilver Jubliee collectionCurved back (streamlined)55902015 2511R3308Silver KingSilverSilver Jubliee collectionCurved back (streamlined)55912015 2512R3174Silver FoxSilverTrain packCurved back (streamlined)5592 2512R3309Silver FoxSilverSilver JubileeCurved back (streamlined)55922015 2512R3337Silver FoxSilverCurved back (streamlined)5592 4462R3131Great SnipeBlueNon Corridor tender56672012 4463Sparrow HawkNon Corridor tender5668 4464R3199BitternblueGreat good bye -double chimneyNon Corridor tender56382013 4465GullimotNon Corridor tender5669 4466R2805Herring GullBlueSound fittedNon Corridor tender56702008 4467Wild SwanNon Corridor tender5671 4468R2339MallardBluedouble chimneyDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender56422004 4469GadwallNon Corridor tender5672 4482Golden eagleFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5323 4483R2888MKingfisherBlue(split from Flying scotsman train pack)Flat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53312009 4484FalconFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5327 4485KestralFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5324 4486MerlinFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5332 4487Sea EagleFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5330 4488Union of South africaFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5325 4489R3252Dominion of CanadaBlue Great good bye - single chimney Flat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53262014 4490R3993Empire of indiaBlueFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53282023 4491R3095Commonwealth of AustraliaBlueCurved back (streamlined)56462012 4492Dominion of New ZealandCurved back (streamlined)5647 4493R3630WoodCockGreenCurved back (streamlined)56482018 4494R3438OspreyGreen (gloss)Curved back (streamlined)56492016 4495Golden FleeceCurved back (streamlined)5650 4496Golden shuttleCurved back (streamlined)5651 4497Golden PloverCurved back (streamlined)5652 4498R2688Sir Nigel GresleyBlue70th anniversary editionFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53292009 4499R3441Sir Murrough WilsonBlack (wartime)Non Corridor tender56732016 4500R3402Garganeysingle(split from train pack)Non Corridor tender56742016 4900R3972GannetHornby dublo versionNon Corridor tender56752023 4901R2338Sir Charles NewtonBlack (wartime)double chimneyDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender56412004 4902Sea gullDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender5636 4903PeregrineDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender5639 10000R3843BlueRebuilt Hush HushCurved back (streamlined)2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 (edited) Got me thinking, have they ever done a "yellow stripe" one? That's another variation. For those unaware a few (at least two) got a yellow stripe near the end of steam meaning they were banned south of Crewe on the WCML. 60031 was one. https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/52797301933/ 60027 was another. https://www.flickr.com/photos/64712556@N08/8562067577 Quite fancy one in that condition. I'll keep my eye out for a suitable donor. Jason Edited June 22, 2023 by Steamport Southport Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 Hornby's double chimney is odd, in that the front opening is larger in diameter than the rear. I'm quite sure that on the prototype the two openings are the same size Which size is correct? Why are they different? Has anyone tackled this And does anyone make a suitable replacement chimney? They didn't even correct it on the rebuildt W1, as seen in the 'cutaway' picture here:https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/Hornby-oo-gauge-rebuilt-lner-w1-4-6-4-r3834-r3844 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Uncle Skeleton Posted July 7, 2023 Share Posted July 7, 2023 (edited) Never had one because I had (and still have) the Hornby Flying Scotsman which I liked more, and my friend had Mallard (good running sessions on his loft layout!) But if I did it would be Sir Nigel Gresley, Mallard, Silver Link and Sir Ralph Wedgwood, which I believe they haven’t made? Edit: turns out they did, and in a very nice wartime black which rounds out the colours! Edited July 7, 2023 by Rich Uncle Skeleton Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Bucoops Posted July 7, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 7, 2023 1 hour ago, G-BOAF said: Hornby's double chimney is odd, in that the front opening is larger in diameter than the rear. I'm quite sure that on the prototype the two openings are the same size Which size is correct? Why are they different? Has anyone tackled this And does anyone make a suitable replacement chimney? They didn't even correct it on the rebuildt W1, as seen in the 'cutaway' picture here:https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/Hornby-oo-gauge-rebuilt-lner-w1-4-6-4-r3834-r3844 I think they are the same size? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 8, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Bucoops said: I think they are the same size? If you look really closely it seems like the front opening cuts into the side slightly more than the rear opening. Could just be a trick of the light though too. Hard to tell. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 8, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 8, 2023 The archives at the NRM show a drawing from 1937 for a double chimney. Drawing number I-703 if anyone is passing to solve the mystery lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hammond Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) What was actually made and the drawings are not nessecerely the same. Edited July 8, 2023 by Trevor Hammond 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Trevor Hammond said: What was actually made and the drawings are not nessecerely exactly the same. Very true. When my Father used plans of an particular traction engine to build one in miniature, he discovered that if the water pump crank were made as per the plans it would strike the top of the boiler. I’m sure that builders made many minor tweaks as they went along which aren’t necessarily fully reflected by the plans. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZRedBaron Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 (edited) Cheeky update here; I've just purchased my first ever A4 for my layout- a second hand 2008 Hornby 'Railroad' tooling of Falcon in LNER condition. I'll let you know when it arrives (if I remember to do so). Edited July 8, 2023 by NZRedBaron 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 8, 2023 Share Posted July 8, 2023 21 hours ago, G-BOAF said: Hornby's double chimney is odd, in that the front opening is larger in diameter than the rear. I'm quite sure that on the prototype the two openings are the same size Which size is correct? Why are they different? Has anyone tackled this And does anyone make a suitable replacement chimney? They didn't even correct it on the rebuildt W1, as seen in the 'cutaway' picture here:https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/Hornby-oo-gauge-rebuilt-lner-w1-4-6-4-r3834-r3844 Brassmasters (parts from the Finney kit), PDK, South Eastern Finecast, 247 Developments, etc. just off the top of my head. Brassmasters do a detailing kit if anyone want to further enhance their Hornby A4s. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 On 08/07/2023 at 04:22, Hilux5972 said: If you look really closely it seems like the front opening cuts into the side slightly more than the rear opening. Could just be a trick of the light though too. Hard to tell. Very hard to tell because of perspective. I just wonder from a technical perspective why the sizes would be different, as wouldn't that create an uneven draft pull from the first and second, which would defeat the object of the double chimney in the first place? 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hammond Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 It's the internal dimensions of the Kylchap exhaust that are important. The casing is just that, a sheet metal fabrication that did tend to vary slightly in size. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
K Hatton Posted July 9, 2023 Share Posted July 9, 2023 11 hours ago, G-BOAF said: I just wonder from a technical perspective why the sizes would be different, as wouldn't that create an uneven draft pull from the first and second, which would defeat the object of the double chimney in the first place? Wondering out loud but would a smaller rear hole help with forcing the smoke up and away from the loco body/cab? (same volume through a thinner pipe = more pressure/flow speed) And to answer the question from memory I have either 8 or 9 with Empire of India on order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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