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How Many Hornby A4's Have You Got


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3 hours ago, NZRedBaron said:

Actually, that does also give me a thought; how many of the individual A4's have been modelled over the years, in whatever version of LNER or BR livery?

 

A previous thread suggested they had all been done. Not accounting for minor differences such as chimneys and different tenders.

 

Can't be bothered looking for it though......

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said:

What ones?

 

Don't forget many of them were mail order catalogue specials and retailer limited editions that weren't included in the Hornby catalogue.

 

 

Jason

Like I said, this was drawing from the Hornby Products Database, so it's likely out of date/not fully complete, but according to it, the following A4's have not been modelled for mass retail by Hornby in OO gauge:

 

4499/60002 Pochard/Sir Murrough Wilson

4462/60004 Great Snipe/William Whitelaw

4496/60008 Golden Shuttle/Dwight D. Eisenhower

2510/60015 Quicksilver

2511/60016 Silver King

4900/60032 Gannet

 

My information, again, is likely to be inaccurate, and doesn't take into account if the engines were renamed at any point in their careers; for instance, I've seen models made up as 60034 Lord Faringdon, but not of her original form as 4903 Peregrine.

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Golden Shuttle.

 

https://www.hattons.co.uk/69519/hornby_r3280_class_a4_4_6_2_4496_golden_shuttle_in_lner_garter_blue_railroad_range/stockdetail

 

 

And you've got me wanting more A4s now!

 

It'll be P2 Thane Of Fife first though. I don't normally go for LNER era, but I quite like it in that condition.

 

 

Jason

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On 18/06/2023 at 19:52, DougN said:

Well the other night i had all the A4s out so lined them all up for a photo or 3 this one is the top view. 10000 is at the top of the shot with the orginal tender and coping around the tankfiller. I wouldn't mind seeing that on one of the silver 4 as fresh out of the works 

 

Finding a few strange goings on between my phone and attaching photos.. most appear to go upside down?

Any how heres some i like!

 

 


I took a few photos while they were on your layout on the Saturday. I didn't notice at the time that you had slipped 10000 in there as well. 😅

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I needed to clean up the layout more than I had. 😁

 

The list of A4's that have been done at one time or another is quite long if you include all the Hornby Dublo  2 & 3 rail, Hornby ring fields and now the New versions of Hornby and Hornby dublo. I have restricted myself to the LNER livery and New version Hornby. So I am down to about 6 left to chase down, Silver Fox, Herring Gull, Great Snipe, Sir Wilson Murrough, Dominion of Canada (if it has a single chimney) and the unreleased Empire of India. I don't like how Osprey came out in gloss LNER Green... so no. 

 

I'll keep looking but I have noticed that the prices have gone through the roof as well... now over 150quid generally but I don't look on Ebay as the postage to me is ridiculous! 

 

 

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Yeah; the list does get a little longer if, as I said, you differentiate between renamings; for just one example, you can have three different models of 4901- Capercaillie from new until August 1942, Charles H. Newton from September 1942 to June 1943, and Sir Charles Newton from then to withdrawal.

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I have only done the post 2004 New version of the A4's excluding the Hornby Dublo versions in the LNER liveries as per below, there may be some that I have missed which may be down to me already having a version of that loco. This might help some people if you are looking to colllect them all! Where there is no R number this has not been done by Hornby in any livery. This may also help those looking at which loco to tender combination will be appropriate for what loco... BTW this may contain errors due to tender number but I have gone for the most numerous type. 

 

image.png.cab3e4dfd6169dbe786ced9d4571b4c1.pngLNER liveryHonby codeNameLiveryDouble/single chimneynoteTender during LNERTender NoYear

2509R2965Silver LinkSilverSilver jubilee Ltd Edition 1000Curved back (streamlined)55892011

2510R3307QuicksilverSilverSilver Jubliee collectionCurved back (streamlined)55902015

2511R3308Silver KingSilverSilver Jubliee collectionCurved back (streamlined)55912015

2512R3174Silver FoxSilverTrain packCurved back (streamlined)5592

2512R3309Silver FoxSilverSilver JubileeCurved back (streamlined)55922015

2512R3337Silver FoxSilverCurved back (streamlined)5592

4462R3131Great SnipeBlueNon Corridor tender56672012

4463Sparrow HawkNon Corridor tender5668

4464R3199BitternblueGreat good bye -double chimneyNon Corridor tender56382013

4465GullimotNon Corridor tender5669

4466R2805Herring GullBlueSound fittedNon Corridor tender56702008

4467Wild SwanNon Corridor tender5671

4468R2339MallardBluedouble chimneyDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender56422004

4469GadwallNon Corridor tender5672

4482Golden eagleFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5323

4483R2888MKingfisherBlue(split from Flying scotsman train pack)Flat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53312009

4484FalconFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5327

4485KestralFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5324

4486MerlinFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5332

4487Sea EagleFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5330

4488Union of South africaFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)5325

4489R3252Dominion of CanadaBlue Great good bye - single chimney Flat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53262014

4490R3993Empire of indiaBlueFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53282023

4491R3095Commonwealth of AustraliaBlueCurved back (streamlined)56462012

4492Dominion of New ZealandCurved back (streamlined)5647

4493R3630WoodCockGreenCurved back (streamlined)56482018

4494R3438OspreyGreen (gloss)Curved back (streamlined)56492016

4495Golden FleeceCurved back (streamlined)5650

4496Golden shuttleCurved back (streamlined)5651

4497Golden PloverCurved back (streamlined)5652

4498R2688Sir Nigel GresleyBlue70th anniversary editionFlat back (ex A1 corridor 1928)53292009

4499R3441Sir Murrough WilsonBlack (wartime)Non Corridor tender56732016

4500R3402Garganeysingle(split from train pack)Non Corridor tender56742016

4900R3972GannetHornby dublo versionNon Corridor tender56752023

4901R2338Sir Charles NewtonBlack (wartime)double chimneyDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender56412004

4902Sea gullDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender5636

4903PeregrineDouble ChimneyNon Corridor tender5639

10000R3843BlueRebuilt Hush HushCurved back (streamlined)2022

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Got me thinking, have they ever done a "yellow stripe" one? That's another variation.

 

For those unaware a few (at least two) got a yellow stripe near the end of steam meaning they were banned south of Crewe on the WCML.

 

60031 was one.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/rgadsdon/52797301933/

 

60027 was another.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/64712556@N08/8562067577

 

Quite fancy one in that condition. I'll keep my eye out for a suitable donor.

 

 

Jason

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Hornby's double chimney is odd, in that the front opening is larger in diameter than the rear. I'm quite sure that on the prototype the two openings are the same size

Which size is correct?

Why are they different?

Has anyone tackled this 

And does anyone make a suitable replacement chimney?

 

They didn't even correct it on the rebuildt W1, as seen in the 'cutaway' picture here:
https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/Hornby-oo-gauge-rebuilt-lner-w1-4-6-4-r3834-r3844

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Never had one because I had (and still have) the Hornby Flying Scotsman which I liked more, and my friend had Mallard (good running sessions on his loft layout!) But if I did it would be Sir Nigel Gresley, Mallard, Silver Link and Sir Ralph Wedgwood, which I believe they haven’t made?

 

Edit: turns out they did, and in a very nice wartime black which rounds out the colours! 

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1 hour ago, G-BOAF said:

Hornby's double chimney is odd, in that the front opening is larger in diameter than the rear. I'm quite sure that on the prototype the two openings are the same size

Which size is correct?

Why are they different?

Has anyone tackled this 

And does anyone make a suitable replacement chimney?

 

They didn't even correct it on the rebuildt W1, as seen in the 'cutaway' picture here:
https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/Hornby-oo-gauge-rebuilt-lner-w1-4-6-4-r3834-r3844

 

I think they are the same size?

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6 hours ago, Bucoops said:

 

I think they are the same size?

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If you look really closely it seems like the front opening cuts into the side slightly more than the rear opening. Could just be a trick of the light though too. Hard to tell. 

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1 hour ago, Trevor Hammond said:

What was actually made and the drawings are not nessecerely exactly the same. 

Very true. When my Father used plans of an particular traction engine to build one in miniature, he discovered that if the water pump crank were made as per the plans it would strike the top of the boiler. I’m sure that builders made many minor tweaks as they went along which aren’t necessarily fully reflected by the plans. 

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Cheeky update here; I've just purchased my first ever A4 for my layout- a second hand 2008 Hornby 'Railroad' tooling of Falcon in LNER condition. I'll let you know when it arrives (if I remember to do so).

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21 hours ago, G-BOAF said:

Hornby's double chimney is odd, in that the front opening is larger in diameter than the rear. I'm quite sure that on the prototype the two openings are the same size

Which size is correct?

Why are they different?

Has anyone tackled this 

And does anyone make a suitable replacement chimney?

 

They didn't even correct it on the rebuildt W1, as seen in the 'cutaway' picture here:
https://www.keymodelworld.com/article/Hornby-oo-gauge-rebuilt-lner-w1-4-6-4-r3834-r3844

 

Brassmasters (parts from the Finney kit), PDK, South Eastern Finecast, 247 Developments, etc. just off the top of my head.

 

Brassmasters do a detailing kit if anyone want to further enhance their Hornby A4s.

 

 

 

 

Jason

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On 08/07/2023 at 04:22, Hilux5972 said:

If you look really closely it seems like the front opening cuts into the side slightly more than the rear opening. Could just be a trick of the light though too. Hard to tell. 

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A4 double chimney

Very hard to tell because of perspective.

I just wonder from a technical perspective why the sizes would be different, as wouldn't that create an uneven draft pull from the first and second, which would defeat the object of the double chimney in the first place?

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11 hours ago, G-BOAF said:

I just wonder from a technical perspective why the sizes would be different, as wouldn't that create an uneven draft pull from the first and second, which would defeat the object of the double chimney in the first place?

Wondering out loud but would a smaller rear hole help with forcing the smoke up and away from the loco body/cab? (same volume through a thinner pipe = more pressure/flow speed)

 

And to answer the question from memory I have either 8 or 9 with Empire of India on order.

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