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[Clive Mortimore]

Only a few days to go until the Hornby yearly announcement. What ever surprises they have it will be the wrong livery, with the wrong number, not in my modelling period , the wrong railway/region, no suitable stock to go with it, too expensive and too long a wait for it to be in the shops.......or if I do want it I will have to join the Hornby Club.

 

My guesses are, locomotives, BR Standard class 3 2-6-0, BR Standard 5 with crapotty valve gear, a LNER B2, a LNER B16, a Class 25/0  or a MR class 3 Belpair 4-4-0.

DMU a class 119 or 114 or 116. EMU a Clacton 2 car or Bury 504. Coaches LMS American Tour and post war Coronation Scot articulated coaches, LNER Thompson catering cars, and GE line shortie Gresleys. Wagons, LMS/BR five plank with wrinkly tin ends. All in TT:120.

[woodenhead]

Tis a brave or foolish man who attracts froth to his thread.

 

This will keep it at bay

 

[John Tomlinson]

50 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Only a few days to go until the Hornby yearly announcement. What ever surprises they have it will be the wrong livery, with the wrong number, not in my modelling period , the wrong railway/region, no suitable stock to go with it, too expensive and too long a wait for it to be in the shops.......or if I do want it I will have to join the Hornby Club.

 

My guesses are, locomotives, BR Standard class 3 2-6-0, BR Standard 5 with crapotty valve gear, a LNER B2, a LNER B16, a Class 25/0  or a MR class 3 Belpair 4-4-0.

DMU a class 119 or 114 or 116. EMU a Clacton 2 car or Bury 504. Coaches LMS American Tour and post war Coronation Scot articulated coaches, LNER Thompson catering cars, and GE line shortie Gresleys. Wagons, LMS/BR five plank with wrinkly tin ends. All in TT:120.

 

Gresley GE shorty coaches in "OO" are almost certain. I have six kit built ones awaiting painting just now!

 

John.

[30368]

1 hour ago, woodenhead said:

This will keep it at bay

 

Woodenhead, just great. Makes me proud of my Irish heritage - thanks Dad...

 

Kind regards,

 

Richard B

[john new]

8 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Only a few days to go until the Hornby yearly announcement. What ever surprises they have it will be the wrong livery, with the wrong number, not in my modelling period , the wrong railway/region, no suitable stock to go with it, too expensive and too long a wait for it to be in the shops.......or if I do want it I will have to join the Hornby Club.

 

My guesses are, locomotives, BR Standard class 3 2-6-0, BR Standard 5 with crapotty valve gear, a LNER B2, a LNER B16, a Class 25/0  or a MR class 3 Belpair 4-4-0.

DMU a class 119 or 114 or 116. EMU a Clacton 2 car or Bury 504. Coaches LMS American Tour and post war Coronation Scot articulated coaches, LNER Thompson catering cars, and GE line shortie Gresleys. Wagons, LMS/BR five plank with wrinkly tin ends. All in TT:120.

Bound to be a B16 now I have finally bought a 2nd hand kit to make one plus a new temperature controlled iron so I can safely attack the white metal in this and another of the pending pile kit stock! 

Edited January 2, 2023 by john new

[john new]

On 24/12/2022 at 22:14, Clive Mortimore said:

Some stuff I have been altering, to start with some Thompson coaches. All converted from Tri-ang ones. They all need their chassis and roofs sorting, the turn under filed on (well some body side filed off) and new Thomo type gangways.

 

Today I shortened this body to the right length, I am going to experiment with adding rounded corners to the windows, like the later build Thompsons had.

 

I might have shown this RFO before, it is to go with a RK.

 

The RK, corridor side.

 

The kitchen side, a lot of work still to do with the kitchen side, many of the windows need to be made shallower and have their sliding vents added.

 

I am not doing a RSO but a BR built one will run with them

 

For trains not needing as much catering there is a RF and RSP set.

Corridor side of the RF

 

The kitchen side, same for the kitchen windows as the RK.

 

The pantry side of the RSP. I didn't have enough big windies with sliding vents so this whole side has ones without so when I make them they hopefully will have some constancy.

 

The other side.

 

They all need Gresley bogies, there seems a lack of them. There are brass/whitemetal kit ones but the cost is as much as the basic coach, so this afternoon I started to convert a BR Mk1 bogie to a Gresley.

 

I started by removing all the detail except the axle boxes.

 

 

I then miss-measured a new side, but hey-yo it is only a trial. Next will be to add some bits and bobs to make it look more Gresley like. I have a surplus of Mk1 bogies so it will be a lot cheaper if I make theme myself.

 

 

 

 

 

I have a stock of these, was thinking of doing similar to the bogies. Not yet measured the bogie wheelbase but hoping I can scan and reprint the card underframe parts from my unbuilt stock of the old TRIX Gresley kits. 

 

Edited January 2, 2023 by john new

[Clive Mortimore]

39 minutes ago, john new said:

I have a stock of these, was thinking of doing similar to the bogies. Not yet measured the bogie wheelbase but hoping I can scan and reprint the card underframe parts from my unbuilt stock of the old TRIX Gresley kits. 

 

Hi John

 

Both BR mk1 bogie and most Gresley bogies are 8ft 6 ins wheel base. LNER full brakes had 8ft bogies, as did some of the GNR line Quad Arts and there were 10 ft bogies at the articulated ends of the Coronation and West Riding coaches. I am not sure about the Silver Jubilee. Catering and Sleeping cars could have one or two heavy weight bogies (8ft 6ins wheelbase) depending on the type and the GER line Quad Arts had them at the articulated ends. 

[Clive Mortimore]

Since the closure of the Midland and Great Northern Joint Railway has there been anything better to come out of Norwich than Jenny and Rosa?

 

[woodenhead]

46 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Since the closure of the Midland and Great Northern Joint Railway has there been anything better to come out of Norwich than Jenny and Rosa?

 

[Clive Mortimore]

11 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Don't he come from Manchester?

[woodenhead]

1 minute ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Don't he come from Manchester?

You're confusing him with that comedian Steve Coogan, they are similar but not the same.

 

You can tell the difference by the car they are driving, Steve likes classics, Alan is a hard Lexi owner, probably president of the Norwich Lexi owners club.

[Dagworth]

Best thing to come out of Norwich is unquestionably the GE main line to Stowmarket, IPSWICH, Chelmsford etc…

 

Andi

[Clive Mortimore]

1 hour ago, Dagworth said:

Best thing to come out of Norwich is unquestionably the GE main line to Stowmarket, IPSWICH, Chelmsford etc…

 

Andi

Ah but the GE line also goes to Great Yarmouth, Cromer, Ely, and Lowestoft. But not today, I support the RMT.

[St Enodoc]

7 hours ago, woodenhead said:

If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend his latest film, The Lost King.

[woodenhead]

13 minutes ago, St Enodoc said:

If you haven't seen it yet, I recommend his latest film, The Lost King.

Paul Calf has really made something of himself, wonder what happend to Pauline.

[31A]

7 hours ago, Dagworth said:

Best thing to come out of Norwich is unquestionably the GE main line to Stowmarket, IPSWICH, Chelmsford etc…

 

Andi

TWO main lines to Liverpool Street, the other one via Ely and Cambridge!

[Clive Mortimore]

Since Christmas I have been a cutting and a shutting some LMS coaches, as normal they are in their raw state, many the roofs are not fixed on and they have BR bogies from the Hornby Railroad coaches they have been hacked from.

 

Train number 1

 

A variation on the BSK/SK/SK/CK/CK/BSK theme, BCK/SO/SO+SO Twin/CO/BCK, this should give about the same amount of seating.

 

62ft BCK, all the brake coaches need their duckets made. THis is the second one of these I have bashed, the other being from Airfix/Dapol coaches. 

 

SO, dia D1999, these coaches had slightly less seating than other LMS SOs but gave the punters more leg room.

 

An Excursion SO+SO Twin, not so lucky if you were sat in one of these as they gave less leg room.

 

The other end of the Twin. I have now hacked various coaches into all three types of LMS Excursion articulated coaches.

 

A 60ft BCK, this is a dia D1705a, a period 2 coach that was reskinned in period three style.

 

Here it is showing the corridor side with an Airfix/Dapol conversion showing the compartment side with the toilet between the surfs and the toffs.

[Clive Mortimore]

Train two

 

This a a three car local set.

CK/SO/BSO, the SO in the middle has been seen before, no it is not an LNER coach kidnapped but the lone CLC gangwayed coach M999M.

 

The CK, it is one of two converted from the newer highly detailed Hornby coaches. I won a lot in an auction 2 BSKs, 4 SKs and 5 FKs for about £10 each. The BSKs and SKs are most welcomed but five FKs? This one and another have been chopped to CKs, one is a Period 11 BSK, one remains untouched and the other will be the basis of a cafeteria car.

 

A Railroad conversion to a dia D2008 BSO, these were the brake version of the D1999 with a lot of leg room, they were 5 1/2 bays but had a smaller brake van than the 6 bay D1916 or D1946.

[Clive Mortimore]

Train 3

This train wasn't planned but grew out of what I had in various boxes.

 

It almost conforms to the standard BSK/SK/SK/CK/CK/BSK formation, it is a BSO/SK+Semi SO twin/CK/CK/BSK

 

The BSO is one of the six bay D1916s

 

Don't look at the ill fitting roof, this is the SK + Semi SO twin pair. There were three of these all built for the Coronation Scot, the first set was sent to the USA with Coronation/Duchess of Hamilton (or what ever was under the casing) on tour. The other two were started as war broke out but not finished until the end of the war. After the war the LMS changed its mind about high end trains and didn't know what to do with these so most of the Coronation Scot coaches ended up in mixed trains on the Central Division (ex L&YR) lines so are right for Manchester to Sheffield trains.

 

The Semi Open Second, the end nearest the camera was the open compartment, it was to be used for dining in the original train but ended up as ordinary seating. These two are on Trix chassis as the valancing of the solbars required a slightly narrower chassis than the railroad one.

 

The first CK, it is one of the Porthole style ones, I know Bachmann have made them, but where is the challenge to open a box.

 

THis is the other CK made from the FKs.

 

This train turned out to be quite a "modern" train with a Porthole BSK at the rear.

[Clive Mortimore]

Train 4

This also nearly conforms to the standard, it is a BSK/SO/SK/CK/CK/BSK the SK is one of the detailed Hornby ones, the two CKs are Airfix.

 

From a different angle.

 

This BSK and SO are early cuts and shuts, the BSK is a period 2 version and the SO is another coach from the wartime built Coronation Scot, it was built as a RSO but I am not sure it was used as a dining car.

 

The BSK at the other end is an early period 3 coach. The railroad BSK dimensionally is wrong, they altered the window spacing and made the van end longer so that the LNER BCK interior could be used. When I decided to alter this coach to the correct size I had a brain wave and thought why not make it one of the early series with only one set of double doors not two as on other period 3 BSKs.

[Clive Mortimore]

Train 5

 

This is composed of the detailed Hornby Stanier coaches.

It is composed of the alternative standard of BSK/SK/SK/FK/SK/BSK

 

The BSK at the far end is the only converted coach, early BSKs had the toilet placed between the compartments and the van end. Later versions had the toilet by the end doors. so it is an easy conversion in just doing a few cuts to shuffle stuff about. This is the corridor side.

[Clive Mortimore]

Train 6

 

This train came in another auction win, I was after the pile of Kitmaster coaches that formed the main part of the lot. They are kit built, not too sure of the make, they are clear sides with a printed over lay. Like Hornby they didn't seem to made a CK as LMS Cks were on a non standard length of 60 ft not the normal 57ft so it is almost the same formation as train 5. BSK/SK/SK/FK/SO/BSK. It is nice they made a SO as well as the SK and the two BSKs are of early and later designs.

 

A close up of one of the BSKs and SKs. The LMS markings and numbers seem to be transfers so should be removable. I just need to find a suitable maroon paint to cover over the top lining band and they could pass as BR coaches.

[Clive Mortimore]

Train 7

 

Nearly standard formation, this time BSO/SO/SO/CK/CK/BSK

The two CKs and the BSK are RTR Airfix/Dapol,one of the SOs is a Replica RTR one.

 

The BSO is a converted Aifix BSK to yet another BSO diagram this time a five bay dia D1913.

 

The SO came form yet another auction win and is a kit built period 1 steel bodied twin window style version. The paint finish with all the lining is wonderful but I want it in Strawberry and Cream livery.

 

Well that isn't getting us our walk.

[Ravenser]

32 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Train 6

 

This train came in another auction win, I was after the pile of Kitmaster coaches that formed the main part of the lot. They are kit built, not too sure of the make, they are clear sides with a printed over lay. Like Hornby they didn't seem to made a CK as LMS Cks were on a non standard length of 60 ft not the normal 57ft so it is almost the same formation as train 5. BSK/SK/SK/FK/SO/BSK. It is nice they made a SO as well as the SK and the two BSKs are of early and later designs.

 

A close up of one of the BSKs and SKs. The LMS markings and numbers seem to be transfers so should be removable. I just need to find a suitable maroon paint to cover over the top lining band and they could pass as BR coaches.

 

 

PC coaches???  The style of constrution sounds right

[5BarVT]

8 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said:

Well that isn't getting us our walk.

Agreed, but you have been a busy boy!

Paul.