ess1uk Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) I'm just after a bit of info about the fertiliser traffic to Gillingham (Dorset) and Andover. Was this this same train? Roughly how many PWA vans were on the train? What was it's route from Ince? Time frame mid 1980s Thanks Edited February 2, 2017 by ess1uk 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2014 Can't answer directly, but can offer some ideas. In the early '70s there was a 2237(Sun) Ince & Elton to Horsham Palvans with fertiliser. I think about 5 or 6 vans. It arrived on the Central at Clapham Junction about 0500, I think. At that time of night, possessions apart, it could have legged it straight up the WCML, maybe with part loads for various locations splitting at Wembley or similar? Or, given that I think these were quite heavy vehicles, multiple destinations might not have been on, so perhaps that "easy" pathway was available several nights a week for various destinations? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2014 I know the train ran on a multiple 'Y' path but can't offhaInce & Eltion is hown asbridgwatergnd recall all the destinations. Gillingham was one day a week when traffic was on offer but it didn't run every week. My 1975 Loads Book only shows WR destinations and the 18.28 Ince & Elton is shown as - Bridgwater WO Gillingham ThO, and Plymouth TO although it was by then shown as a Shellstar train 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2014 Yep it was loaded in the Shellstar siding which is the only road accessible siding at Gillingham. Sorry can't help on the formation but will ask if anyone knows at work. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 (edited) The 1987 Freight Train Loads book shows Ince & Elton - Andover / Gillingham for class 47 as - Palvans loaded 'M' (presumably medium load) max length = 42 SLUs, load = 1220 tonnes including loco route via Heyford and Southcote. The trains would always be a full load from Ince & Elton, then spilt between depots. A full load would be about 12 PWAs edit - and the same loads book shows the return load via Warminster and Craven Arms, 55 SLUs, 520 tonnes including loco Here is the return train at Westbury, looks like at least 12 PWAs https://www.flickr.com/photos/47500cdb/8395216293/in/photolist-c4U1bQ-j1tHZX-eexNcp-dMRFjv-6Q7vTj/ cheers Edited June 7, 2014 by Rivercider 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted June 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2014 Thanks to Dave our Mobile Ops Mgr here's a bit more:- The train ran via Southcote Junction and Basingstoke to Andover. After shunting there, the train continued to Gillingham. Up to about a dozen vans on the train, the length of the Shellstar siding at Gillingham being the limiting factor. It was booked for a LMR Class 47/0, I believe from Crewe Diesel Depot and was worked by a Basingstoke crew to Salisbury where they were relieved by a Salisbury crew. The train ran quite early in the morning because it had to leave Gillingham before the box switched out. Until the 1990s, Gillingham was worked on a split shift and shut during the middle of the day. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 7, 2014 Author Share Posted June 7, 2014 Thanks to all for all the info. Most informative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted June 7, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 7, 2014 The train ran quite early in the morning because it had to leave Gillingham before the box switched out. Until the 1990s, Gillingham was worked on a split shift and shut during the middle of the day. Although back in the 1970s (when it was one of my boxes) it was manned on two turns so it didn't switch out in the middle of the day. Signalmen were 'old Fred' and 'young Roger' 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 9, 2014 Author Share Posted June 9, 2014 I've just been looking through my books and I've found a picture of 33114 leaving Gillingham on an up train of 4 UKF vans on 4th June 1984. It's on page 57 of the Class 33 "Cromptons" by B.K. Cooper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I know the train ran on a multiple 'Y' path but can't offhaInce & Eltion is hown asbridgwatergnd recall all the destinations. Gillingham was one day a week when traffic was on offer but it didn't run every week. My 1975 Loads Book only shows WR destinations and the 18.28 Ince & Elton is shown as - Bridgwater WO Gillingham ThO, and Plymouth TO although it was by then shown as a Shellstar train 'Shellstar' was the original name of the company, which later became UKF, and then Kemira:- http://www.fwi.co.uk/gr/growhow75poster.pdf gives the chronology. The vehicles originally had curtain sides; I don't know if any vehicles received the later, hinged-door, type before Shellstar changed its name. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted June 9, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 9, 2014 Link is sulking, I'm afraid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I've just been looking through my books and I've found a picture of 33114 leaving Gillingham on an up train of 4 UKF vans on 4th June 1984. It's on page 57 of the Class 33 "Cromptons" by B.K. Cooper. I don't have that book, but I would guess that if 33 is involved then they may be vans that have arrived on Speedlink via Salisbury. In the 1980s when Speedlink was in its prime a number of locations, including Bridgwater, sometimes received 3 or 4 PWAs on Speedlink services, this was in addition to the normal company block trains from Ince & Elton of 12 PWAs. This gives an excuse to run a prototypical shorter train, cheers 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted June 24, 2014 Author Share Posted June 24, 2014 The only other photo I could find in any of my books of PWA vans is in BR Blue No 2 by John Dedman. It shows 6M22 Truro to Ince train with 11 PWAs behind 47298. I've enjoyed my research though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emdpowerrules Posted June 25, 2014 Share Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) From Freight Only volume 2(Rhodes/Shannon). January 1988 6O36 1726 Ince & Elton- Gillingham passed Salisbury 0622, return 6M22 1614 Gillingham-Ince & Elton at 1647 on Fridays. Photo shows 47349 leaving Andover siding 21/8/87 on 6M22 with 4 OCA plus 11 PWA and a note the OCAs are increasingly being used for 'big bag' traffic(PDS). I recall seeing OCAs loaded with large Fertiliser bags around March in the 1980s. Graham Edited June 25, 2014 by emdpowerrules 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) With regards to emdpowerules's post above, I've just scanned a friend of mines slide showing just such a train with OCA'c and "Big Bags". 25239+25237 heading south on 6V32, approaching Wellington Crossing between Fords Bridge and Moreton-on-Lugg. Sept 1984. Paul J. PS. With regards to the above photo, a higher resolution copy of this photo has now been uploaded to my Flickr site at the following link. https://flic.kr/p/q25GCP Edited to add Flickr link. Edited January 11, 2015 by Swindon 123 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted June 26, 2014 Share Posted June 26, 2014 This one at Severn Tunnel Junction has two OCA and 14 PWA in May 1985 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/class47/e52ba1836 And an OCA loaded with big bags in August 1985 http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/oca/e966c1f6 Paul 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shed Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 great topic 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 Were block trains formed at Eastleigh from smaller trip workings? I think there was a working from Worthing area to Eastleigh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Were block trains formed at Eastleigh from smaller trip workings? I think there was a working from Worthing area to Eastleigh? Nearest I can find to the Worthing area is Horsham. Was there fertiliser traffic to Holton Heath (between Poole and Wool) at some time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Temeraire Posted August 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 21, 2014 Only ever saw the UKF vans at Basingstoke once on 21st February 1982, with 31143 at the head! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonhall Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Nearest I can find to the Worthing area is Horsham. Was there fertiliser traffic to Holton Heath (between Poole and Wool) at some time? Yes there was, but I have only ever seen photos of it using cargowaggon holdall vans. Jon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Yes there was, but I have only ever seen photos of it using cargowaggon holdall vans. Jon That must have been from Norsk-Hydro, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted October 24, 2014 Author Share Posted October 24, 2014 still on the hunt for info and pictures of the UKF train at Gillingham please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ess1uk Posted December 25, 2014 Author Share Posted December 25, 2014 Were block trains formed at Eastleigh from smaller trip workings? I think there was a working from Worthing area to Eastleigh? I now think there was an Eastleigh to Hove Speedlink that had UKF traffic.Any pictures out there? Thanks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Banger Blue Posted February 2, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 2, 2017 I have the WTTs that cover Ince for 83/84 84/85 85/86 & 86/87 The only trains from Ince destined for the Southern Region are: 6O48 FO 16:26 Ince UKF Sidings - Horsham UKF. I lose track after West Cheshire Jn (not got adjoining WTT) 6O36 TThO 17:26 Ince UKF Sidings - Andover UKF. This routes via Crewe - Shrewsbury and down the Marches Line to Hereford and beyond. For completeness, the other COY train departures from Ince are: 6E80 WSO 00:08 Ince UKF Sidings - BartonOH (on Humber?) 6S89 WO 12:26 Ince UKF Sidings - Keith. 6V35 SO 15:35 Ince UKF Sidings - Carmarthen. 6V12 FO 19:58 Ince UKF Sidings - Severn Tunnel Jn Bristol Yard. 6E61 MO 20:20 Ince UKF Sidings - Darlington Hopetown UKF. Sundays: 6E40 16:39 Ince UKF Sidings - Braintree. 6V35 17:49 Ince UKF Sidings - Truro 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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