Pyewipe Jct Posted February 21, 2019 Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 hour ago, 31A said: The days when big stations had BRUTES all over the place .... The days when big stations NEEDED to have BRUTES all over the place... 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 21, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 21, 2019 1 minute ago, Pyewipe Jct said: The days when big stations NEEDED to have BRUTES all over the place... Well, what else were spotters going sit on? Mike. 2 1 1 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 9 hours ago, brushman47544 said: BRUTES are an important part of the history of railway operations; I hope one has been preserved by the NRM as part of the national collection. British Railways Utility Trolley Equipment, and nowhere near as good as a traditional wooden trolley as seats for spotters! 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bob-65b Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2019 6 hours ago, The Johnster said: British Railways Utility Trolley Equipment, and nowhere near as good as a traditional wooden trolley as seats for spotters! Lucky you amended that Johnster, BRUT is something gentleman of a certain age remember fondly along with Matchmakers and Mateus Rose.... 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Bob Reid said: ... BRUT is something gentleman of a certain age remember fondly ... Some of us of that age still use it - on weekdays in my case, with Old Spice for weekends. ..... and I still get favourable comments from the ladies concerning my aroma !! Regards, John Isherwood. 1 1 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) Presumably even BRUT and Old Spice are still preferable to the smell of the great unwashed... Edited February 22, 2019 by brushman47544 2 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 9 hours ago, The Johnster said: British Railways Utility Trolley Equipment, and nowhere near as good as a traditional wooden trolley as seats for spotters! Not quite. Speaking as somebody who used to deal with daily BRUTE counts and balances (just like rolling stock balances including separately controlling those in special circuit workings) they were in fact - British Rail Universal Trolley Equipment 5 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bob-65b Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, The Stationmaster said: Not quite. Speaking as somebody who used to deal with daily BRUTE counts and balances (just like rolling stock balances including separately controlling those in special circuit workings) they were in fact - British Rail Universal Trolley Equipment Our lot used to spend an inordinate amount of time maintaining them (so they could run off at peculiar angles) 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, Bob Reid said: Our lot used to spend an inordinate amount of time maintaining them (so they could run off at peculiar angles) And some of our used to do their level best to give you something to do by unloading them from vans without the use of bridging boards etc. (a 'technique'[?] sometimes referred to as 'bouncing'). 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 Did a fair bit of handling of them when I worked for the Post Office on Cardiff Central in the 90s; nasty sods, ineffective brakes and you had to put your hand in between trains of them to release the brakes. And the wheels were too small for anything but the most perfect surfaces, contributing to the aforementioned steering issue. We didn't bounce them, though, just unloaded mailbags direct from the train into one pulled up by the door mostly. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 22, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) East Coast main line again today, this time north of Peterborough. Heading north we first come to Helpston, then further north to the crossing captioned here as Greatford. I think the level crossing captioned as Greatford is the one on the unclassified road heading west from Greatford towards Ryhall and Stamford. Note to myself. When uploading photos always select the correct batch of image files - you nearly got tomorrow's. Helpston Class 47 1100 up May 73 J3192.jpg Helpston Class 47 up 2nd April 77 C3267.jpg Greatford Class 55 down May 72 J2933.jpg possibly 9008 Greatford Crossing Class 55 down Oct 79 J6655.jpg Greatford Crossing Class 55 55010 up Oct 79 J6656.jpg Many thanks to brushman 464t544 for the deltic ids. David Edited February 22, 2019 by DaveF 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Piewalker Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Those pictures of Newcastle Central are just dripping with nostalgia and atmosphere... sniff... And that DMU in SPT Orange.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 Nice shots today, Dave. I can’t help noticing that in the first two Deltic pictures you’ve skilfully managed to obscure the nameplates behind either a signal post or some line side undergrowth, thus increasing the challenge of Deltic identification. Well done! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 Hi, Dave. I like the photo’s from north of Peterborough. All so interesting and nostalgic. I particularly like J2933 at Greatford, with a class 55 Deltic at speed on a down express in May, 1972. A really classic shot of a Deltic hauled express. With warmest regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, Western Aviator said: Nice shots today, Dave. I can’t help noticing that in the first two Deltic pictures you’ve skilfully managed to obscure the nameplates behind either a signal post or some line side undergrowth, thus increasing the challenge of Deltic identification. Well done! J2933 could be 9008. There appears to be a bit a red nameplate visible through the signal steps in a lower down position unique to The Green Howards. J6656 is 55010 The Kings Own Scottish Borderers. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 Some strikingly short formations behind those deltics. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 They are those Deltic plus eight formations with the exception of the last one which has a catering car missing. Best regards, Rob. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) J2933, J6655 - The Deltic identification game has one more degree of difficulty today. Hide the nameplates behind infrastructure and shrubbery... EDIT: I see Western Aviator has beaten me to this observation... Edited February 22, 2019 by talisman56 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium keefer Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 22, 2019 J6655 is an odd formation, seemingly with a BFK in place of a TSO J6656 seems to have a TSO between the RB and FO (or FK) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
balders Posted February 22, 2019 Share Posted February 22, 2019 I'm idly wondering if we've photos of all the Deltics within this thread now? Surely! Superb as always Dave. Keep em' coming! Regards Guy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 2 hours ago, eastwestdivide said: Some strikingly short formations behind those deltics. 2 hours ago, Market65 said: They are those Deltic plus eight formations with the exception of the last one which has a catering car missing. Best regards, Rob. Kings Cross - York and return. Sweepers ISTR? Mike. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 (edited) On 22/02/2019 at 16:41, eastwestdivide said: Some strikingly short formations behind those deltics. Indeed! Apart from the Trans-pennine workings, I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a picture of a Deltic on only seven coaches before. Coincidentally, one of my trains home yesterday (IC2157 from Köln to Gera) was a BR101 loco with only four coaches (roughly equivalent to say, a class 87 on three coaches). Went like the clappers, it did. Edited February 24, 2019 by Western Aviator 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted February 22, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 22, 2019 Air conditioning takes about 400hp off the prime mover's output to the traction motors, so you have to reduce the load in order to maintain the same timings as a non air conditioned train. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 23, 2019 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 23, 2019 Morpeth again today, I hope by now everyone knows where it is. One photo is captioned as the NBR platform. This was the platform used by North British railway trains for their route through Scotsgap to Riccarton Junction on the Waverley route, together with the branch from Scotsgap to Rothbury. It was often simply known as the Wannie line, it ran along the Wansbeck Valley for much of its length. The line from Morpeth to Scotsgap opened in 1862, closing to passengers in 1952 and freight in 1966. The branch to Rothubury opened in 1870, closing to passengers in 1952 and freight in 1963. For those who do not know Morpeth the photos are in order heading north (technically east to west as Morpeth station lies east to west with a curve at each end). Morpeth Class 101 Morpeth to Newcastle Sept 82 C5860.jpg Morpeth NBR platform Aug 83 C6253.jpg MorpethClass 37 down to go to down loop Aug 80 J7051.jpg Morpeth Class 254 up 25th July 85 C6987 Morpeth track tamper and liner April 83 C6025 David 38 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted February 23, 2019 Share Posted February 23, 2019 20 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Kings Cross - York and return. Sweepers ISTR? Mike. Also, there was a period in pre-HST days where deltic + 8 formations were used to provide faster services where there was a commercial benefit (peak business trains to/from Leeds and Newcastle for example) . Unlike the York trains of later years the earlier trains tended to run longer distances non-stop and were timed to take advantage of the deltic's capabilities on such a light train. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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