RMweb Gold Market65 Posted April 27, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2018 Hi, Dave. Those are a great set of ECML photo’s. The first one at Raskelf, in July, 1966, with Deltic D9018, on a Kings Cross to Edinburgh Waverley express, shows, apart from a fantastic shot of a Deltic hauled express passenger train, some work clearly going on. I just can’t recall what the work was though. The last photo’ shows a remarkable train, which would make a great model, with a class 31, two Mk1 barrier coaches, and a Mk3 HST TS. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 27, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 27, 2018 Hi, Dave. Those are a great set of ECML photo’s. The first one at Raskelf, in July, 1966, with Deltic D9018, on a Kings Cross to Edinburgh Waverley express, shows, apart from a fantastic shot of a Deltic hauled express passenger train, some work clearly going on. I just can’t recall what the work was though. The last photo’ shows a remarkable train, which would make a great model, with a class 31, two Mk1 barrier coaches, and a Mk3 HST TS. With warmest regards, Rob. I think it may have just been the remains of the station and goods yard, but cannot really remember. For some reason Dad and I very rarely took photos there. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 All that knitting up at Morpeth, and only one train had a coat hanger on the roof... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 28, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 28, 2018 Today's photos are mainly on the Midland line between Newark and Nottingham. Kirklington and Edingley was on the Midland line from Rolleston Junction through Southwell to Mansfield. Kirklington and Edingley trackbed of Southwell to Mansfield line MR Jan 80 C4941 Gonalston Crossing Class 47 up oil Jan 76 C2579 Lowdham view north 10th April 90 C14279 Lowdham Aug 72 J3105 Sneinton Junction Class 114 Nottingham to Grantham and Class 25 shunting June 78 C3895 David 35 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 28, 2018 Share Posted April 28, 2018 C3895 - that's how I remember trainspotting - sunny & full of blue trains and locos Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted April 28, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 28, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the Midland line photos between Newark and Nottingham. The second one, C2975 at Gonalston Crossing in January, 1976, makes a splendid view of the class 47 on an up,oil train against a typical January sky, with the trees making a stark contrast. I would like to see that translated onto a model, it would, I think, be quite a challenge. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 29, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) A few more photos from Cottesmore this morning, now better known as Rocks by Rail. Cottesmore Barclay Sir Thomas Roydon Aug 83 C6171 Cottesmore Hawthorn Leslie 3865/1936 'Singapore' Aug 83 C6172 Cottesmore Hunslet No 24 Aug 83 C6175 Cottesmore Barclay Salmon parts Peckett Elizabeth GER 6 wheel coach Aug 83 C6176 Cottesmore Wisbech and Upwell coach body Aug 83 C6178 David Edited May 1, 2018 by DaveF 22 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 29, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 29, 2018 This afternoon we are at the well known location of Floriston. For those who don't know the place it is a level crossing just south of the Scottish border on the WCML. Mossbank Junction and the MoD at Longtown are just to the north of it. It also sees the traffic to and from the G&SW line to Glasgow and Stranraer. This batch of photos were all taken on 11th April 1986, once again a cloudy day. Floriston 47053 down 11th April 86 C7401 Floriston 86244 up 11th April 86 C7402 Floriston 86417 up 11th April 86 C7403 Floriston 47553 up from GSWR 11th April 86 C7404 Floriston 47053 up l e 11th April 86 C7405 David 28 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2018 Floriston 47053 down 11th April 86 C7401 Not the best paint job I’ve ever seen... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Chris116 Posted April 29, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 29, 2018 Not the best paint job I’ve ever seen... Maybe ViTrains applied the yellow ends! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted April 29, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the Cottesmore Photo's. They show a great variety of stock that was there at the time of the photo's. In particular, Hunslet No 24, in August,1983, in C6175. It makes quite a sight in bright yellow. The photo's at Floriston, on the WCML, are splendid, and I too have misgivings about that yellow on 47053 in the last photo'. If not ViTrains maybe it is one of Dapols iffy paint jobs! With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the Cottesmore Photo's. They show a great variety of stock that was there at the time of the photo's. In particular, Hunslet No 24, in August,1983, in C6175. It makes quite a sight in bright yellow. The photo's at Floriston, on the WCML, are splendid, and I too have misgivings about that yellow on 47053 in the last photo'. If not ViTrains maybe it is one of Dapols iffy paint jobs! With warmest regards, Rob. The lack of yellow on 47053 was quite common on some replated 47s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 Not the best paint job I’ve ever seen... I will probably get into trouble for saying this, but that looks to me like a colour balance setting error on the scanner. I can reproduce that kind of "colour scheme" on my film scanner by overdoing the output vs input curves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 29, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 29, 2018 (edited) I will probably get into trouble for saying this, but that looks to me like a colour balance setting error on the scanner. I can reproduce that kind of "colour scheme" on my film scanner by overdoing the output vs input curves. It wasn't the scanner, the original slide had poor colours - as do almost all my photos of the period. I was using film marketed by Supasnaps in an attempt to save my money. It was made by 3M and has proved over the years to have two problems: The first is that it appears that the contrast increases with time - basically the light parts fade more than the dark part and the dark parts seem to go "muddy". The second, and more serious, is that the colours change, and it takes a lot of work in Photoshop to try to get them anywhere near "correct". Each film I used at this time seems to have a different colour shift, even slides from the same film have varying colour shifts depending on whether they were stored in a projector magazine or a slide box (the very best were in projector magazines). I can improve the blue in Photoshop by increasing levels of blue and cyan, but it can often make a mess of other colours. I suppose I should be thankful that the slides did not all fade to magenta which many other makes of film tend to do. Another version of the photo is below, though it still leaves the poor yellow paintwork which was certainly quite common at the time together with the original scan and another version. Also a second version of the other photo of the same loco, which shows ts other end. This is why I always say you should never rely on colour rendition on a slide to give an indication of what a colour was really like. Using a scanner, Photoshop and then displaying it on a monitor (and most peoples' monitors are not calibrated) often makes the colours even less accurate. Floriston 47053 up l e 11th April 86 C7405 7405 original scan. The only change made has been to reduce the size to display here. 7405a another version Floriston 47053 down 11th April 86 C7401 Edited as I forgot to post one of the images. Edited again to add a couple more versions. David Edited April 29, 2018 by DaveF 14 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
35A Posted April 29, 2018 Share Posted April 29, 2018 It wasn't the scanner, the original slide had poor colours - as do almost all my photos of the period. I was using film marketed by Supasnaps in an attempt to save my money. It was made by 3M and has proved over the years to have two problems: The first is that it appears that the contrast increases with time - basically the light parts fade more than the dark part and the dark parts seem to go "muddy". The second, and more serious, is that the colours change, and it takes a lot of work in Photoshop to try to get them anywhere near "correct". Each film I used at this time seems to have a different colour shift, even slides from the same film have varying colour shifts depending on whether they were stored in a projector magazine or a slide box (the very best were in projector magazines). I can improve the blue in Photoshop by increasing levels of blue and cyan, but it can often make a mess of other colours. I suppose I should be thankful that the slides did not all fade to magenta which many other makes of film tend to do. Another version of the photo is below, though it still leaves the poor yellow paintwork which was certainly quite common at the time together with the original scan and another version. Also a second version of the other photo of the same loco, which shows ts other end. This is why I always say you should never rely on colour rendition on a slide to give an indication of what a colour was really like. Using a scanner, Photoshop and then displaying it on a monitor (and most peoples' monitors are not calibrated) often makes the colours even less accurate. Exactly so, David. I used to use Bonusprint. I also made a couple of schoolboy errors, like using ASA100 film in the early days and getting my prints on matt paper. The latter is not so much a problem where the original negatives are in reasonable condition but it has meant that, where they are not, it is impossible to get a decent scan from the print. Consequently, very few of my shots up to the mid 1970s are anywhere near the quality that you have achieved with your father's and your own pictures. That, in itself, makes this thread a sheer delight to follow on a daily basis, for which I am eternally grateful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Border Reiver Posted April 30, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Floriston crossing was one of my favourite photo locations in the 1960s. Here is a shot of a black 5 on a southbound parcels approaching the crossing in May 1966. Edited to add date Edited April 30, 2018 by The Border Reiver 21 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2018 Sorry David, I seem to have caused a bit of confusion. My remark in post #13130 referred to the first picture of 47053 (the one where you can see lots of bare metal on the loco's front), not the second one (same loco, date, location, but in the opposite direction) where the colour is a bit off because of the film quality. My apologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2018 Sorry David, I seem to have caused a bit of confusion. My remark in post #13130 referred to the first picture of 47053 (the one where you can see lots of bare metal on the loco's front), not the second one (same loco, date, location, but in the opposite direction) where the colour is a bit off because of the film quality. My apologies. I got confused too which is why I ended putting versions of both photos on late last night. Both ends actually have poor paintwork. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted April 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Northumberland again today with some more ECML photos. Many of the photos I am posting now are from the 1980s, so there are more HSTs featured. The stock of 1960s and 1970s photos is gradually diminishing. The photos are in order heading north. Pegswood Class 254 down April 81 C5347 Longhirst Class 55 Edinburgh to Newcastle Dec 80 C5244 Acklington Class 254 up Aug 80 C5163 Buston Barns Class 47 47472 up ecs 19th Oct 85 C7241 Buston Barns Class 254 down Aberdonian and Class 254 up Flying Scotsman 19th Oct 85 C7239 David Edited April 30, 2018 by DaveF 39 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted April 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2018 (edited) Dave, I reckon the 40 in C5244 is a Deltic. It has a large nameplate in the centre of the body side and would be much more likely to be on air-conditioned stock than a 40. Edited April 30, 2018 by Western Aviator Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium D.Platt Posted April 30, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 30, 2018 Nice photos David, perfect timing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted April 30, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2018 Dave, I reckon the 40 in C5244 is a Deltic. It has a large nameplate in the centre of the body side and would be much more likely to be on air-conditioned stock than a 40. I think you are right. I have now corrected my notes. Thanks very much. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted April 30, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30, 2018 Hi, Dave. I like the ECML photo’s from Northumberland in the 1980’s. In the on at Buston Barns, with class 47 47472, on an up empty coaching stock train, on 19th October, 1985, in C7241, I see the Mk1 BG, and BSK were still riding on BR1 bogies. With warmest regards, Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
avonside1563 Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 A few more photos from Cottesmore this morning, now better known as Rocks by Rail. Cottesmore Barclay Sir Thomas Roydon Aug 83 C6171.jpg Cottesmore Barclay Sir Thomas Roydon Aug 83 C6171 Cottesmore Peckett Uppingham Aug 83 C6172.jpg Cottesmore Peckett Uppingham Aug 83 C6172 Cottesmore Hunslet 24 Aug 83 C6175.jpg Cottesmore Hunslet No 24 Aug 83 C6175 Cottesmore Barclay Salmon parts Peckett Elizabeth GER 6 wheel coach Aug 83 C6176.jpg Cottesmore Barclay Salmon parts Peckett Elizabeth GER 6 wheel coach Aug 83 C6176 Cottesmore Wisbech and Upwell coach body Aug 83 C6178.jpg Cottesmore Wisbech and Upwell coach body Aug 83 C6178 David Hi David, a small correction to C6172, the loco is actually Hawthorn Leslie 3865/1936 'Singapore' which was delivered new to Singapore RN dockyard and indeed captured by the Japanese in 1942 when they took Singapore. It is reputed to still have evidence of shrapnel damage sustained during the heavy fighting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted May 1, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1, 2018 Hi David, a small correction to C6172, the loco is actually Hawthorn Leslie 3865/1936 'Singapore' which was delivered new to Singapore RN dockyard and indeed captured by the Japanese in 1942 when they took Singapore. It is reputed to still have evidence of shrapnel damage sustained during the heavy fighting. Thanks very much. When I posted the photo I thought it didn't look right for a Peckett but had no better idea as to what it might be. I've amended the caption. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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