RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Spot on Mike - Sorry Peter, 5 wasn't blue until August and the photo does predate that so 5 is still in the mix - but what a cracking photo, interesting that she still has a steam heat bag given her freight only duties by this time D4 was a very early repaint - 66 IIRC, I saw her in blue in 68 , the debate as to whether she ever carried BSYP still hasn't really been solved Is the only feature that might narrow the debate down further now the scarring around the area where a shed plate once sat - and perhaps the OHLE flash? Phil Edited February 9, 2018 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 From my research, the OHLE flash was in the same place on all green liveried examples, it moved around a bit on the blue repaints, but still in the same general area of the nearside door, except for some at times when there wasn't one in TOPS days. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) I believe it was 55008 that was involved in the collision (& not 55007). Coincidentally you may be aware that your namesake (9017) also derailed at Darlington in the late 60s due to brake failure. Caused by the locomotive brake pipe being connected to the stock main res pipe and vice versa - despite this being thought to be impossible. The connector design was subsequently changed to ensure it really was impossible. Edited February 9, 2018 by DY444 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 From my research, the OHLE flash was in the same place on all green liveried examples, it moved around a bit on the blue repaints, but still in the same general area of the nearside door, except for some at times when there wasn't one in TOPS days. Mike. Not always. D6 was different, see photo in link below. https://flic.kr/p/jaVHyT Still carried it in the same position when in GFYE. See below. https://flic.kr/p/HAH8KQ It is posible D10 is out of the equation as the flashes changed position in 1970, if the date on the photo below is to be believed. http://rcts.zenfolio.com/diesel/br/locomotives/44/hA100D125#ha100ca33 I,ve got it down to 3 possibilities, D5, D7 and D8, with D10 being possible if the date on the last photo is incorrect. Paul J. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 From around the same time. 7 doesn't seem to have the shed plate area painted (mismatched) yellow at either end. 8 had lost it's steam heat pipework at no 1 end by the summer of 1970. Mike Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Ah - that's the B end of D10 Paul - do we know the A end is the same, that's what we are seeing in Dave's photo (cooler group forwards) And look at the date on the photo of 5 in the same place given the BFYE discussion above.....!!!!! Phil Edited February 9, 2018 by Phil Bullock Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post DaveF Posted February 9, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) I'm enjoying the attempts to identify the Class 44 in yesterday's photos. I have another photo of the train, Dad and I must have been there together. It too was takenalmost head on so I can't see the number on the loco. Photos at Bottesford and Radcliffe on Trent on the Nottingham to Grantham line (yet) again for today - there are a lot more of the area still to come. Bottesford Class 105 Skegness to Nottingham Sept 83 C6313 Bottesford Class 47 47348 eastbound freight Oct 81 C5588 Bottesford west Junction Class 47 oil Colwick to immingham via Newark Oct 81 C5575 The train is heading north on from the junction towards Newark. The line in the foreground goes to Grantham Radcliffe on Trent Class 114 Grantham to Nottingham May 75 J4279 Radcliffe on Trent Class 44 down freight Feb 77 J5645 David Edited February 9, 2018 by DaveF 34 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 C5588 - I think those are the Ford palvans that ran between Dagenham/Thames-side and Halewood/Merseyside? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 500 pages! Will you be celebrating today, Dave? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 9, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 500 pages! Will you be celebrating today, Dave? I hadn't been counting lately but it might be a "reason" for a nice glass of malt whisky later on. David 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
73c Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Quite an achievement Dave, 500 pages of fantastic photo's. Thanks for sharing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Agree a great achievement and resource. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 J5645 is actually Radcliffe under Trent! Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swindon 123 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Ah - that's the B end of D10 Paul - do we know the A end is the same, that's what we are seeing in Dave's photo (cooler group forwards) And look at the date on the photo of 5 in the same place given the BFYE discussion above.....!!!!! Phil I do have another photo of No1 end of D10, but copyright prevents me form showing it, that does show the same arrangement of the flashes. If the date of the photo in the link below is correct, then D5 was GSYP in May 1970. https://flic.kr/p/kyU6dH Paul J. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 C5588 - I think those are the Ford palvans that ran between Dagenham/Thames-side and Halewood/Merseyside? They certainly look like them, but very odd to see them off the WCML. I hadn't realised that some received canvas sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) They certainly look like them, but very odd to see them off the WCML. I hadn't realised that some received canvas sides. They also worked to Swansea for the engine traffic which doesn't explain what they were doing in the East Midlands. Several were rebuilt with curtain sides http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan/e582c4bbe http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan/e1bed0ae1 Paul Edited February 9, 2018 by hmrspaul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 They also worked to Swansea for the engine traffic which doesn't explain what they were doing in the East Midlands. Several were rebuilt with curtain sides http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan/e582c4bbe http://PaulBartlett.zenfolio.com/brfordpalvan/e1bed0ae1 Paul Diverted Dagenham-ECML-Grantham-Notts-Merseyside if the WCML wasn't available?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 I do have another photo of No1 end of D10, but copyright prevents me form showing it, that does show the same arrangement of the flashes. If the date of the photo in the link below is correct, then D5 was GSYP in May 1970. https://flic.kr/p/kyU6dH Paul J. I don't think it's 5 as there is a scar where the shed plate was on Daves pic, but not on the one you reference Paul. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Kazmierczak Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Mike, you and I must've been standing in almost the exact same spot to get our shots of Peak #5. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 Mike, you and I must've been standing in almost the exact same spot to get our shots of Peak #5. Having found yours and compared, I reckon I was stood a tad to the left of your position, also it seems a bit quieter in your shot. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
50A55B Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 J5645 Is a 44, not a 45, the top of a headcode disk is just visible. How many got TOPS numbers at both ends? That should narrow that one down a bit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold DaveF Posted February 9, 2018 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 J5645 Is a 44, not a 45, the top of a headcode disk is just visible. How many got TOPS numbers at both ends? That should narrow that one down a bit Thanks for pointing that out. For once it isn't a typing error, I simple hadn't noticed the headcode disk. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmsforever Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Looking at the platform Bottesford didnt look as though there was much passenger footfall is it still open? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Market65 Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2018 (edited) Hi, Dave. I like the Nottingham to Grantham line photos. In the first one the front unit is clas 105, as described in the caption. Then there are, on enlarging the photo, two class 114 Derby Heavyweights. With warmest regards, Rob. Edited February 9, 2018 by Market65 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Davexoc Posted February 9, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 9, 2018 Spot on Mike - Sorry Peter, 5 wasn't blue until August and the photo does predate that so 5 is still in the mix - but what a cracking photo, interesting that she still has a steam heat bag given her freight only duties by this time Wasn't steam heat a requirement for some class B tankers that had heating coils, eg. heavy fuel oils and bitumen? Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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