Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[DaveF]

I thought we would start at Grantham and head a few miles north for today's photos.

 

 

Grantham 47408 Grantham (08.08) to Kings X 10th Aug 77 C3441

 

 

Grantham Class 47 up ex pass note young trainspotters 10th Aug 77 C3443

 

 

Barkston A2 up ex pass June 53 JVol4040   I'm not sure if we've had this one before.

 

 

Barkston Class 47 1569 iron ore High Dyke Barnetby SO December 1970 C442

 

 

Dry Doddington Class 31 down ecs April 71 J2591

10.50 Holloway CS - Doncaster (MO), Clifton (TFO), or Holgate (WThO), due to pass around 15:45. I guess this one was taken during the Easter holidays, and not on a Saturday

 

 

Thanks to stovepipe for the information.

David

Edited December 4, 2016 by DaveF

[Phil Bullock]

More great photos Dave

 

J2591 - good job that is ECS, cant imagine a Brush type 2 sticking to a timetable with that load on the drawbar!

 

Phil

Edited December 3, 2016 by Phil Bullock

[LNERGE]

I thought we would start at Grantham and head a few miles north for today's photos.

 

 

Dry Doddington Class 31 down ecs April 71 J2591.jpg

Dry Doddington Class 31 down ecs April 71 J2591

 

 

David

What on earth required 20 line wires to terminate here? Super photo's.

[31A]

What on earth required 20 line wires to terminate here? Super photo's.

 

 

Perhaps it was in the process of being dismantled?

[leopardml2341]

What on earth required 20 line wires to terminate here? Super photo's.

Secret underground bunker?

[DaveF]

What on earth required 20 line wires to terminate here? Super photo's.

 

 

In  a photo taken in the same month looking the other way the wires are clearly visible.

 

In other photos taken in the direction of the one posted today the wires are very difficult to see.

 

I suspect the wires may be there but not easy to see, but I'm really not sure.

 

April 71 looking north

Dry Doddington Class 47 Leeds to Kings X April 71 C570

 

From November 1970

Dry Doddington Class 31s 5672 and 5675 High Dyke to Scunthorpe iron ore Nov 70 C415

 

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. An excellent set of photos from Grantham on the ECML this evening. I particularly like the one at Barkston with an A2 on an up passenger in June, 1953. I haven't seen that photo before.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Judge Dread]

In  a photo taken in the same month looking the other way the wires are clearly visible.

 

In other photos taken in the direction of the one posted today the wires are very difficult to see.

 

I suspect the wires may be there but not easy to see, but I'm really not sure.

 

April 71 looking north

j Dry Doddington Class 47 Leeds to Kings X April 71 C570.jpg

Dry Doddington Class 47 Leeds to Kings X April 71 C570

 

It looks like new cable troughing in the cess behind the loco. Overhead wiring had been replaced by multi core cables for several years by 1971.

[stovepipe]

If I can relieve Mark54's workload a little....

 

C442 1569 with 8D97 16.25 SO High Dyke - Barnetby

J2591 5804* with 5L30 10.50 Holloway CS - Doncaster (MO), Clifton (TFO), or Holgate (WThO), due to pass around 15:45. I guess this one was taken during the Easter holidays, and not on a Saturday.

 

The class 47 is in early BR blue, with two large arrows on the bodyside, one of only 19 examples painted this way.

*the class 31 looks like it might be 5804; it certainly carried this livery variant.

Edited December 4, 2016 by stovepipe

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

29/3/71.

 

That just leaves 17 to find!

 

Mike.

 

Edited to add date.

Edited January 16, 2017 by Enterprisingwestern

[Enterprisingwestern]

 

25/3/71.

 

17 16.

 

Mike.

 

Edited to add date.

Edited January 16, 2017 by Enterprisingwestern

[cornish trains jez]

In  a photo taken in the same month looking the other way the wires are clearly visible.

 

In other photos taken in the direction of the one posted today the wires are very difficult to see.

 

I suspect the wires may be there but not easy to see, but I'm really not sure.

 

April 71 looking north

j Dry Doddington Class 47 Leeds to Kings X April 71 C570.jpg

Dry Doddington Class 47 Leeds to Kings X April 71 C570

 

From November 1970

j Dry Doddington Class 31s 5672 and 5675 High Dyke to Scunthorpe iron ore Nov 70 C415.jpg

Dry Doddington Class 31s 5672 and 5675 High Dyke to Scunthorpe iron ore Nov 70 C415

 

 

David

 

 

Hi,

 

Interesting to see the the variations in where the BR arrows were placed on both those 31's in photo C415.

 

Best regards,

 

Jeremy

[DaveF]

If I can relieve Mark54's workload a little....

 

C442 1569 with 8D97 16.25 SO High Dyke - Barnetby

J2591 5804* with 5L30 10.50 Holloway CS - Doncaster (MO), Clifton (TFO), or Holgate (WThO), due to pass around 15:45. I guess this one was taken during the Easter holidays, and not on a Saturday.

 

The class 47 is in early BR blue, with two large arrows on the bodyside, one of only 19 examples painted this way.

*the class 31 looks like it might be 5804; it certainly carried this livery variant.

 

Stovepipe,

 

Many thanks for the information

 

The 31 on the ecs probably was on a weekday as I was also there, it would have been in the holidays as I was at home from Manchester over Easter.

 

David

[DaveF]

Some more photos of preserved locos and stock on the High Dyke branch and ex British Steel lines today.

 

 

High Dyke Pendennis Castle light engine Market Overton to Carnforth Oct 74 J4064

 

 

 

High Dyke Primrose No 2 & D2381 on ballast train Feb 74 J3555

 

 

Burton Lane crossing Avonside 0-4-0ST Fred taking water Aug 74 J4008

 

 

Stainby Glebe 03 D2381 ex BR inspection saloon Stainby to Market Overton Nov 73 J3478

 

 

Sewstern 4079 Pendennis Castle , NER saloon and Crewe cab, Market Overton to Sproxton and return Feb 74 J3565

 

 

Sewstern Hunslet 0-6-0ST Primrose No2 NER Saloon 305 and Pullman car Zena June 74 J3735

 

 

David

[russ p]

Such a shame that folded. I don't know a massive amount about it. How long was the running section for the preserved stock and was there scope for extending it?

Cheers David thanks for posting

[DaveF]

Such a shame that folded. I don't know a massive amount about it. How long was the running section for the preserved stock and was there scope for extending it?

Cheers David thanks for posting

 

 

The High Dyke branch (BR) plus the ironstone lines (ex BSC) and ae BR bit near Market Overton (which was owned by BR but they had no rail access to it! - the ex MR line from Saxby to Bourne) was a bit over 8 miles (from memory).  It was planned to extend to Saxby Junction a further 3 or more miles.  Then there were a few miles of branches.

 

It was also planned to have a museum of ironstone quarrying, including examples of draglines.

 

Sadly in the then prevailing economic circumstances - inflation which reached 25%, 3 day week, oil crisis, tax changes for companies and trusts etc the whole thing was not economic. It would also have been very expensive (well into 6 figures) to keep a connection to the ECML at High Dyke and not that much less for a connection to BR at Saxby Junction - that being at 1974 prices.

 

 

David

Edited December 4, 2016 by DaveF

[DaveF]

Some WCML electrics for today's second batch.

 

 

Weedon Class 86 Manchester to Euston Aug 69 J1808

 

 

Weedon Class 86 E3185 Manchester to Euston Aug 69 J2406

 

 

Stowe Hil _Tunnel Class 85 E3072 Liverpool to Euston Oct 70 J2405

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 down freightliner Aug 69 J1820

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 E3109 down April 72 C910

 

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. I like the preservation photos on the High Dyke branch. In J3565, Pendennis Castle is looking most bright and shiny.

The WCML photos show the heyday of the 85's and 86's before the Voyagers came along and made things so bland on that route.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[35A]

 

Interesting to see the the variations in where the BR arrows were placed on both those 31's in photo C415.

 

 

5672 is in the earlier 'standard' livery, which was almost universal in 1970 on blue-liveried examples. 5675 is in the later version, which became the new 'standard'. Actually, that came as quite a surprise to me, as I don't remember seeing that livery style as early as 1970 and I used to see A LOT of Brush 2s every day! The tablet-catcher fitted batch used to rarely venture south of High Dyke, so it's quite possible that that was one of the very first to receive that style (I'll have to consult my spreadsheets for the period to see when I first recorded a sighting of a 31 with a centrally placed double arrow).

[DaveF]

Photos from Manningtree to Ipswich on the Great Eastern today.

 

 

Manningtree Class 47 Norwich to Liverpool St Oct 77 C3550.

 

 

Manningtree Cattawade Bridge Class 47 down Feb 77 C3194

 

 

Manningtree Cattawade Bridge 47014 up Norwich toLiverpool St Jan 76 C2585

 

 

Ipswich Class 47 Liverpool St to Norwich Oct 77 C3570

 

 

Ipswich SR S15 841 Greene King failed. LHS motion seized and dismantled, Class 03 moving it Oct 77 C3567

 

 

David

[flapland]

With the widespread forecast of fog tonight and tomorrow C3550 someone might get the chance to do a current version with push pull Cl90's.

 

Great photos as usual of course. 

[DaveF]

With the widespread forecast of fog tonight and tomorrow C3550 someone might get the chance to do a current version with push pull Cl90's.

 

Great photos as usual of course. 

 

 

If anyone goes out to take photos in fog I hope they have a better journey than I did that morning from Basildon to Manningtree, the fog was very thick in places!  I went to see Greene King and only just managed to get there in time.

 

David

[jonny777]

5672 is in the earlier 'standard' livery, which was almost universal in 1970 on blue-liveried examples. 5675 is in the later version, which became the new 'standard'. Actually, that came as quite a surprise to me, as I don't remember seeing that livery style as early as 1970 and I used to see A LOT of Brush 2s every day! The tablet-catcher fitted batch used to rarely venture south of High Dyke, so it's quite possible that that was one of the very first to receive that style (I'll have to consult my spreadsheets for the period to see when I first recorded a sighting of a 31 with a centrally placed double arrow).

 

 

1970 does seem early as you say. I have spent a pleasant 30 minutes going through my postcard/photo collection for any from that year and in that livery variation but found none.  However,  I did come up with a couple of green FYE examples with BR symbols under the cab windows and numbers behind the drivers' doors, which is a variation I don't remember seeing before.

 

D5557 and D5561 were the locos.

 

Even more unusual is a photo of D5524 at Frodingham in Sep 1973 in all over blue with central BR arrow but no yellow front at all, at least on the end facing the camera.

 

Sorry for wandering O/T.

[Swindon 123]

5672 is in the earlier 'standard' livery, which was almost universal in 1970 on blue-liveried examples. 5675 is in the later version, which became the new 'standard'. Actually, that came as quite a surprise to me, as I don't remember seeing that livery style as early as 1970 and I used to see A LOT of Brush 2s every day! The tablet-catcher fitted batch used to rarely venture south of High Dyke, so it's quite possible that that was one of the very first to receive that style (I'll have to consult my spreadsheets for the period to see when I first recorded a sighting of a 31 with a centrally placed double arrow).

5675 is an unusual livery in that it has a central double arrow, which to me looks smaller than the normal ones normally used, with the numbers behind the cab, instead of the more usual cabside, as was the norm for the central arrow livery. Unfortunately I haven't come across a photo of the other side at the time of the photo shown, to see if it is repeated on that side. All the shots I have of 5675 are of the other side, and at least a year later in 1971, and show the normal central arrow, cabside numbers. A real oddity is 5675.

 

Paul J.

 

PS. Yet again another fascinating collection of photos you have posted David. Many thanks for sharing them.

[DaveF]

1970 does seem early as you say. I have spent a pleasant 30 minutes going through my postcard/photo collection for any from that year and in that livery variation but found none.  However,  I did come up with a couple of green FYE examples with BR symbols under the cab windows and numbers behind the drivers' doors, which is a variation I don't remember seeing before.

 

D5557 and D5561 were the locos.

 

Even more unusual is a photo of D5524 at Frodingham in Sep 1973 in all over blue with central BR arrow but no yellow front at all, at least on the end facing the camera.

 

Sorry for wandering O/T.

 

 

5675 is an unusual livery in that it has a central double arrow, which to me looks smaller than the normal ones normally used, with the numbers behind the cab, instead of the more usual cabside, as was the norm for the central arrow livery. Unfortunately I haven't come across a photo of the other side at the time of the photo shown, to see if it is repeated on that side. All the shots I have of 5675 are of the other side, and at least a year later in 1971, and show the normal central arrow, cabside numbers. A real oddity is 5675.

 

Paul J.

 

PS. Yet again another fascinating collection of photos you have posted David. Many thanks for sharing them.

 

 

I've just had a look through both Dad's and my photos taken in the autumn of 1970.

 

This one is the first blue Class 31 with central arrows that we photographed - we had gone out together that day as I was visiting home that weekend.

 

Before then all the blue ones had arrows at each end, though a few green ones had central arrows replacing the crest.

 

It was a long time before either of us photographed another one with central arrows which was 5675 in December 1971, on the High Dyke branch (but there were very few Class 31s photograped during that twelve month period).

 

David