RMweb Premium 5944 Posted March 25, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: Crottendorf adjusted to fit the real shed... I actually need a shed of 35 feet in length to accommodate the station I would like really to model. Apparently, some people can fit an entire section of the ECML in the space I would need for a quiet German branch station... I'm building a small Italian layout in N gauge. It's a passing loop, a head shunt and a couple of sidings. The scenic area will be 8' long. To do the station to scale would need double that length! And that's just for a simple passing point. And yet, like you say, people somehow manage to make huge mainlines fit into a fraction of the space. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lacathedrale Posted March 25, 2021 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Looking very interesting Doc, that's quite a jump in (percieved) complexity compared to your BR(S) layout - what do you think about that change? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ianathompson Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 14 hours ago, 5944 said: And yet, like you say, people somehow manage to make huge mainlines fit into a fraction of the space. It all depends upon the compromises that you are prepared to accept and, to some extent the effort that you are prepared to put into the construction process. In a slightly larger space I have managed to build a system with over a dozen stations, and that is in O gauge, albeit narrow gauge. The comstruction was a complex 3D jigsaw puzzle and I don't imagine that any one will ever be wowed by the scenery, although there is some scope. I am more interested in running trains rather than looking at nice, but dust gathering, scenery. I am also prepared to accept sharp curves, steep gradients and shortish trains. You pays your money and you takes your choice. If you are interested the website address appears at the foot of the post. Ian T 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted March 26, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2021 17 hours ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: Crottendorf adjusted to fit the real shed... I actually need a shed of 35 feet in length to accommodate the station I would like really to model. Apparently, some people can fit an entire section of the ECML in the space I would need for a quiet German branch station... Hi Doc Remember size isn't every thing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted March 26, 2021 Author Share Posted March 26, 2021 6 minutes ago, Clive Mortimore said: Hi Doc Remember size isn't every thing. No, but it helps 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railpassion Posted March 27, 2021 Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 26/03/2021 at 10:42, ianathompson said: It all depends upon the compromises that you are prepared to accept and, to some extent the effort that you are prepared to put into the construction process. In a slightly larger space I have managed to build a system with over a dozen stations, and that is in O gauge, albeit narrow gauge. The comstruction was a complex 3D jigsaw puzzle and I don't imagine that any one will ever be wowed by the scenery, although there is some scope. I am more interested in running trains rather than looking at nice, but dust gathering, scenery. I am also prepared to accept sharp curves, steep gradients and shortish trains. You pays your money and you takes your choice. If you are interested the website address appears at the foot of the post. Ian T It's like stepping into Louis de Bernieres land. It's full of character. When creating a scene there is a tension between the desire for accuracy and the need for something representative or realistic. We look down on our layouts as if we are birds and not like OO/HO humans. We need selective compression to create a sense of space or distance. Our perspective needs to be forced in order to stimulate the imagination. That's when a layout is at it's most satisfying at an exhibition. Layouts such as Bergellerbahn which ingeniously incorporates two stations and three levels in 14ft by 7. I have seen very long layouts, 20ft or more, with near scale length village station passing loops in surroundings and found them worthy but rather dull. Boundaries, edges, frames define a stage, the placing of objects to create space and lead the eye - all these come into play on a layout. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted March 27, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Railpassion said: Boundaries, edges, frames define a stage, the placing of objects to create space and lead the eye - all these come into play on a layout. And movement - that's what makes it a layout. Otherwise it's just a diorama. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted March 28, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) On 07/12/2020 at 17:35, Regularity said: This may be late in the day, but it just occurred to me that by replacing one turnout with a single slip, and adding two more turnouts (reusing the displaced one) and a diamond crossover, it becomes possible to have a continuous circuit of double track, for the combined purposes of making the junction look busier and allowing for watching the trains go by. Even later in the day, but the plan has popped up again on the Older Inspirational Layouts thread. It occured to me that you could make at least part of that junction into a nice Southern-style flyover. There's room for a fairly gentle run up, though the descent needs to be steep. The other problem is that the embankment is in right front of Clapham Junction. A solution to that is to make it a dive-under, but now the gradients are wrong: gentle down and steep up. It works if you flip the plan round though and if you forget about the other part of the junction. It's now even helpful to put Clapham Junction slightly above datum and split the gradient between the dive-under and the main line a bit. I think maybe making Clapham Junction into Peckham Rye and renaming East Croydon to Lewisham would be at least as convincing. It would certainly be better suited to Bachmann 4 CEPs. Edited March 28, 2021 by Flying Pig Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 13, 2021 Author Share Posted May 13, 2021 A little teaser for the future, I'll just leave this here... 5 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Railpassion Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Erm..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Keith Addenbrooke Posted May 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2021 9 hours ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: A little teaser for the future, I'll just leave this here... Definitely interested in following this one. Look forward to seeing more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted May 13, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 13, 2021 12 hours ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: A little teaser for the future, I'll just leave this here... Another change Doc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Clive Mortimore said: Another change Doc? Not really. Still German, just realised I could run C-C electrics towing a single carriage and it would be accurate. Quiz of the day, guess the prototype. No prizes, other than that satisfying feeling of being right, of course. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: Not really. Still German, just realised I could run C-C electrics towing a single carriage and it would be accurate. Quiz of the day, guess the prototype. No prizes, other than that satisfying feeling of being right, of course. I guessed German sparkies, but C-C locos with one coach? Not the Oberammagau branch, then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, F-UnitMad said: I guessed German sparkies, but C-C locos with one coach? Not the Oberammagau branch, then? Nope! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 The Zugspitzbahn. That gets quite steep ... oh, hang on a minute - bit of a track gauge issue. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 14, 2021 Author Share Posted May 14, 2021 Just now, LNER4479 said: The Zugspitzbahn. That gets quite steep ... oh, hang on a minute - bit of a track gauge issue. lol, emus - nope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
F-UnitMad Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Well despite the best efforts of Chris Ellis as Editor of Model Trains et al, my knowledge of German trains doesn't go much beyond the Oberammagau branch and the Nürnberg Ringbahn. So you'll have to enlighten us. Or me, at least.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 My guess is the Rubelandbahn class 171 electric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 35 minutes ago, Alcanman said: My guess is the Rubelandbahn class 171 electric. Yes indeed... Although there was very heavy freight traffic, passengers in the latter years were conveyed in a single Halberstadt or Mintlinge coach. A fascinating system, and if I had the room I would like to model Blankenberg Hbf. I'll have to settle for something smaller, an mash up of Konigshutte and Hirschberg... 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 I rather suspected you were talking about this line but didn’t want to spoil the fun! It IS a fascinating line but I think I prefer it in privatisation days when it was diesel operated, they ran some big power then, Blue Tigers, Ludmilla’s and 218’s and I’m sure, others. Not wanting to be critical but under electrification, it is a 25Kv line - unique in Germany but I wouldn’t let such a trifling thing stop me running regular 15Kv German electrics! Plus, in modern times, so many locos are multi voltage, who’d know!? Cheers, John 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 (edited) This is a nice intro to the Rubelandbahn... it's fascinated me for years. Die Rubelandbahn and Once again, I've missed out on the great years - straight after the Wall came down it was a fantastic place to visit. I don't think any 15Kv eloks will be appearing, so no worries on that score, John! Mind you, I've enough dampfloks to swap between DR and DB modes... Edited May 15, 2021 by Dr Gerbil-Fritters 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Northroader Posted May 15, 2021 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 15, 2021 Short trains with twice as many locos and a reversal on the way... it’s different, doc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alcanman Posted May 15, 2021 Share Posted May 15, 2021 On 14/05/2021 at 07:38, Dr Gerbil-Fritters said: Not really. Still German, just realised I could run C-C electrics towing a single carriage and it would be accurate. For a moment, i thought you were going to build a small layout. However, I agree the Rubelandbahn is fascinating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gerbil-Fritters Posted May 15, 2021 Author Share Posted May 15, 2021 I am building a small layout... something like the very tiny end of the Rubelandbahn before it got truncated back to Elbingerode. Konigshutte... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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