RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2015 The engineer responsible for decommisioning Kearsley was a railway enthusiast and tried to rehome the locos. If I remember rightly, two went to Heysham and one went to the Musuem of Science and Industry at Manchester originally and was later evicted and lived a somewhat nomadic existence before arriving at Coventry. One of the Heysham locos also ended up at Coventry, but I don't know what happened to the other - it may still be at Heysham! Another oddity of the Kearsley system was that on at least one occasion Blackpool Tramway had sent a tram away for a major overhaul. Rather than test it at Blackpool and run the risk of it failing in the middle of the Prom,they sent it to Kearsley (which operated on the same voltage) and ran it round the power station! (information provided by my father, who used to work at Kearsley PS on occasion). Yes the engineer at kearsley is still one of the leading lights at the Manchester tramway Museum at Heaton Park in Manchester. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 9, 2015 Share Posted January 9, 2015 I understand that all four Kersley locomotives survive. Where are the other two now? (Are they both still at Heysham?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 9, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 9, 2015 Where are the other two now? (Are they both still at Heysham?) That was stated in a magazine article a couple of years ago, IIRC it was 'Railway Bylines'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire001 Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Plan of Midland Rlwy battery electric loco No. 1550 was in Model Trains International Magazine issue 39, Mar-Apr 2002. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Where are the other two now? (Are they both still at Heysham?) In answer to my own question, the other two are now at Tanfield. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nearholmer Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 BEs are the oldest form of electric loco, with Davidson's of c1840 usually being cited as the first of practical size, although if you count table-top demonstration models, they go back to the early 1830s. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Davidson_(inventor) They have always been fairly widely used all over the world, but in niches like mining, tunnelling, underground railway maintenance, and indoors ( a furniture factory and a furniture storage warehouse were two odd places in London that used them, for instance), and many have been to narrow gauges to suit these applications. They are still widely built, and trade well on the secondhand market. I rather like them, because there is no real boundary between "toy", "model" and "real" ........... Whatever the size, they use pretty much the same technology. Kevin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesperus Posted March 12, 2016 Share Posted March 12, 2016 (edited) Furness railway wagon company were offering a 7mm resin kit of the MR battery loco but they aren't listing it at the moment. http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/furness http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/gallery/image/63906-mrlmsbr-0-4-0-bel-battery-electric-loco-no1/ Edited March 12, 2016 by Hesperus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 12, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2016 There is quite a lot of information on this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105711-english-electric-spondon-no-1-no-2-electric-locomotive/page-2&do=findComment&comment=2231473 I am planning a 7mm scale model of the English Electric BE type of loco from Stafford. I tried to interest Furness Wagon in a kit but not heard anything recently. Today at Nottingham the P4 stand had a 4mm scale L&Y BE loco running, it looked very fine and is a High Level kits loco. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted March 14, 2016 Share Posted March 14, 2016 There is quite a lot of information on this thread http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/105711-english-electric-spondon-no-1-no-2-electric-locomotive/page-2&do=findComment&comment=2231473 I am planning a 7mm scale model of the English Electric BE type of loco from Stafford. I tried to interest Furness Wagon in a kit but not heard anything recently. Today at Nottingham the P4 stand had a 4mm scale L&Y BE loco running, it looked very fine and is a High Level kits loco. Dava Hi still looking at doing the loco as a kit. I have been off my feet for the last few months so I'm running a little behind with the business hoping to have things back on an even keel within the next few months. If there is sufficient interest shown in the loco in the next few months then I would be looking to start work on it in the summer. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Today at Nottingham the P4 stand had a 4mm scale L&Y BE loco running, it looked very fine and is a High Level kits loco. Dava Very clever to acheive it in P4 - it is a heck of a challenge in EM - everything seems to be attracted to everything else and prone to shorting out, clearance is a really serious challenge. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 26, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 26, 2016 Here is the P4 model of an L&Y battery electric loco running at Nottingham 2 weeks ago, its from a High Level Models kit. Judith Edge do a Harton Railway (Siemens) loco too. http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/judithedge But there's nothing in 7mm scale (yet). So I've spent the evening cutting plastic power bogie frames for my build of the English Electric loco. I've ordered Ultrascale gears so can't assemble it till these arrive. Apart from these I've got the parts I need for the bogie. Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenton Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Here is the P4 model of an L&Y battery electric loco running at Nottingham 2 weeks ago, its from a High Level Models kit. Ah, that was not the Battery Loco I was referring to (the one in the OP of this topic). That is the L&Y Battery Loco. That is a slightly bigger beast and I believe it was designed with more space to accommodate building to P4. I'm not saying the a P4 version of the NSR Battery Loco cannot be done just that in EM it was a challenge. (A great kit though) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted March 26, 2016 Share Posted March 26, 2016 Take a look at "Britainfromabove" reference Title The Oakamoor Brass and Copper Works, Oakamoor, 1949 Image reference EAW024642 Date 12th July 1949 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted March 28, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I've started building a motor bogie for the 7mm scale English Electric BE loco. Its made from 60thou plastic sheet (not card), with Roxey 2'9" wheels and axle bearings. The brass rod is there to align the frames during assembly. The motor behind will be fitted when the gears arrive. It runs freely and is nicely aligned on the glass plate. In the meantime I'll work on the body parts. If Furness wagon bring out a kit I'll be happy to use that. Footnote: the build will be on my layout thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/96750-easy-low-cost-micro-layout-baseboard-ideas/page-6&do=findComment&comment=2276978 Dava Edited April 17, 2016 by Dava Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken A. Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Does anyone know if there are drawings of the Midland Railway's Battery Electric Loco available anywhere? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 Does anyone know if there are drawings of the Midland Railway's Battery Electric Loco available anywhere? We do a kit for one in 7mm. the drawings we used were the produced using a mixture of photos, the NSR drawings held at York and measuring the NSR BEL which was at York. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rue_d_etropal Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 Thought I should reopen this thread, as I am designing a model for 3D printing. I have the MTI article and drawings, but it is obvious from photos that the Midlad version(BEL1) has some differences from the NSR(BEL2) version. I wonder, was the Midland version altered or was it built as shown in later photos. Main differences seem to be the front/rear windows(4 across, not 3), a flatter simpler side door, and more curve to the roof. There are also a few other smaller differences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 There are some major differences between the two once you start looking at them. We do a lot for the MR version in 7mm it's a mixture of resin and etch. The resin parts are cast from 3D printed patterns. Marc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Thought I should reopen this thread, as I am designing a model for 3D printing. I have the MTI article and drawings, but it is obvious from photos that the Midlad version(BEL1) has some differences from the NSR(BEL2) version. I wonder, was the Midland version altered or was it built as shown in later photos. Main differences seem to be the front/rear windows(4 across, not 3), a flatter simpler side door, and more curve to the roof. There are also a few other smaller differences. Do the original drawings still exist? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcD Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 We couldn't find any drawings for the midland one but for the North Staffs loco there are a full set of GA and the preserved loco. In the NRM. Marc 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wagonmaster Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 (edited) A very interesting thread and I thought I'd add my tuppence worth. I have built the High Level Kits 4mm scale model and a very nice kit it is. Etched in nickel silver with lost wax brass castings, it goes together very well, provided you are accurate in locating the etches. As with a lot of Chris's kits, if it doesn't fit, you've soldered something up wrong! The self contained chassis is compensated and is powered by a Mashima 1020 driving all four wheels through 108:1 gearboxes. The chassis just bolts into the body. There is just enough room in the bonnet ends to add some extra weight and in my case, a DCC decoder between the motor and bodyside. I have finished my model in the later BR black livery to fit in with my modelling era. Have to have a go at the rue d'etropal BEL 1 next. Edited April 15, 2022 by Wagonmaster Reinstating photo 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
br2975 Posted August 13, 2019 Share Posted August 13, 2019 Greenwood & Batley Wks. 2002/1945, supplied to Cardiff Corporation who had purchased the Glamorganshire Canal and its associated railway in 1944. . Purchased to replace an Avonside 0-4-0ST, the sale of which offset the £1,570 cost of "GreenBat", Cardiff Corporation continued to operate its own mile long railway after the canal was 'drained' in 1950, until February 1963 using just this loco. . "GreenBat" was scrapped in 1965, by Western Metals of Ferry Road, Cardiff. 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pandora Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) On 13/03/2014 at 20:18, The Bigbee Line said: Whilst doing some "On Line Train Spotting" I came across some images of Poplar in 1963. http://www.flickr.com/photos/78089679@N03/8420078914/in/set-72157632623842228 Amongst the images are a couple of B.E.T.No.1, Thanks Tony "Saxicola Torquata" for the images There is an example at the NRM from the North Staffs. Thanks to the NRM for the image http://www.nrm.org.uk/OurCollection/LocomotivesAndRollingStock/CollectionItem.aspx?objid=1978-7004 It looks like a wagon based vehicle, small enough to fit on a wagon turntable. Has anyone modelled such a creature? I recall reading about the B.E.L shunters and they were designed to utilise wagon parts for ease of repair and maintenance Edited August 15, 2019 by Pandora 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Johnster Posted August 15, 2019 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 15, 2019 On 13/08/2019 at 14:30, br2975 said: Greenwood & Batley Wks. 2002/1945, supplied to Cardiff Corporation who had purchased the Glamorganshire Canal and its associated railway in 1944. . Purchased to replace an Avonside 0-4-0ST, the sale of which offset the £1,570 cost of "GreenBat", Cardiff Corporation continued to operate its own mile long railway after the canal was 'drained' in 1950, until February 1963 using just this loco. . "GreenBat" was scrapped in 1965, by Western Metals of Ferry Road, Cardiff. 'Greenbat', despite it's name, carried Cardiff City Corporation maroon livery above the footplate, black below, as per the maroon element of the bus livery. It could handle 3 empty or one loaded wagon at a time, which was sufficient for the Glamorgan Canal sidings duty. Somewhere in a box I have a 4mm Plasticard model of it built for me by a member of the club I used to frequent, with a Tenshodo spud chassis. This thing could outperform the prototype and was able to happily pull anything we loaded it with, at a top speed more appropriate for a Shinkansen, although with careful driving it ran very well at walking pace... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dava Posted August 15, 2019 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 15, 2019 Here is my English Electric [Dick Kerr design] BE loco, shunting at Coxheath Sidings. Two wagons tends to be the limit. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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