robmcg Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 Sadly I have to report that the Merchant Navy I was working on, had a fatal accident - when it slipped out of my hands as I was bringing it out the loft . In the meantime I have another blog entry up: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/135/entry-20561-yet-another-slightly-smaller-build-hawker-sea-fury-fb11/ Ah, it is a particularly difficult thing to describe, that feeling when you drop a model. The English language does not have words for it, even swear words don't quite work. My last adventure into that mixture of surprise, shock and numb horror was a carefully detailed weathered Hornby T9 which leapt from my lap onto a tile floor and exploded into bits. For about 2 seconds it's as if time is frozen.... Will the Merchant Navy be able to be resurrected in any form? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2018 (edited) Ah, it is a particularly difficult thing to describe, that feeling when you drop a model. The English language does not have words for it, even swear words don't quite work. My last adventure into that mixture of surprise, shock and numb horror was a carefully detailed weathered Hornby T9 which leapt from my lap onto a tile floor and exploded into bits. For about 2 seconds it's as if time is frozen.... Will the Merchant Navy be able to be resurrected in any form? Perhaps toboldlygo could enter the remains as part of a "Barry Island Scrapyard" Cakebox Challenge diorama? Scurries off..... Edited March 2, 2018 by Hroth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2018 Ah, it is a particularly difficult thing to describe, that feeling when you drop a model. The English language does not have words for it, even swear words don't quite work. My last adventure into that mixture of surprise, shock and numb horror was a carefully detailed weathered Hornby T9 which leapt from my lap onto a tile floor and exploded into bits. For about 2 seconds it's as if time is frozen.... Will the Merchant Navy be able to be resurrected in any form? 9 and a half feet was a long way to fall, she will need a new loco body, keeper plate, front bogie and a few other bits, but she will be rebuilt eventually - when I get the spares. In the meantime I have another Merchant Navy on the way, along with an A4, another Grange (with a Churchward tender) and a Heljan Diesel... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2018 Perhaps toboldlygo could enter the remains as part of a "Barry Island Scrapyard" Cakebox Challenge diorama? Scurries off..... Burning at the stake would be to quick for you... Perhaps the modern equivalent of the Four Winds would be more appropriate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 2, 2018 Author Share Posted March 2, 2018 9 and a half feet was a long way to fall, she will need a new loco body, keeper plate, front bogie and a few other bits, but she will be rebuilt eventually - when I get the spares. In the meantime I have another Merchant Navy on the way, along with an A4, another Grange (with a Churchward tender) and a Heljan Diesel... Ouch! Is it an original MN or rebuilt? My current Blue Period has me looking forward to the BR blue original MN. The symptoms are fading though, I found myself rather liking to look of a Bachmann A1 in Brunswick green yesterday, and bought another 60158 'Aberdonian' to replace one I had back c2008 (and which ran fine... no motor issues even with 6-7 Mk1s on). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2018 Burning at the stake would be to quick for you... Perhaps the modern equivalent of the Four Winds would be more appropriate Not at all! A cameo role at Barry Island would imply redemption and restoration! Its not as if I went so far as to suggest modelling the gas axe gang lopping tender parts off the distressed loco...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2018 Ouch! Is it an original MN or rebuilt? My current Blue Period has me looking forward to the BR blue original MN. The symptoms are fading though, I found myself rather liking to look of a Bachmann A1 in Brunswick green yesterday, and bought another 60158 'Aberdonian' to replace one I had back c2008 (and which ran fine... no motor issues even with 6-7 Mk1s on). Modified - rebuilt is such a dirty word to those who support the MiM.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 2, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 2, 2018 Not at all! A cameo role at Barry Island would imply redemption and restoration! Its not as if I went so far as to suggest modelling the gas axe gang lopping tender parts off the distressed loco...... Oops you just did Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) Dropping Bulleid anything's to the floor sounds perfectly reasonable to me.... Edited March 3, 2018 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2018 Dropping Bulleid anything's to the floor sounds perfectly reasonable to me.... I doubt any rtr loco would survive a 9 & half foot fall - so quit bullying Bulleids Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold NHY 581 Posted March 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2018 I would take a Bulleid Pacific over any Stanier Pacific and certainly any of Gresley's carbuncles. Rob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 It's as I predicted earlier. The Merchant Navy is good but the Stanier pacific is slightly better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 3, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 3, 2018 (edited) It's as I predicted earlier. The Merchant Navy is good but the Stanier pacific is slightly better. If you send me your Stanier, I will happily drop it from the same height and see how many bits it ends up in. I will also conduct the test with any Fowler/Collett/Churchward/Gresley/Thompson/Peppercorn/Urie/Maunsell or Drummond loco Edited March 3, 2018 by toboldlygo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted March 3, 2018 Share Posted March 3, 2018 If you send me your Stanier, I will happily drop it from the same height and see how many bits it ends up in. I will also conduct the test with any Fowler/Collett/Churchward/Gresley/Thompson/Peppercorn/Urie/Maunsell or Drummond loco You've left the Ivatt's out of your list. I dropped a Triang Hornby blue Coronation Streamliner from standing in my loft, through the hatch onto the landing floor, which would have been around 11' many years ago. I watched it go through the opening and hit the landing floor nose first. The body came off but surprisingly the only thing wrong with it, was where the body screw thread coil fits under the chimney area, the plastic had sheared off but no visual damage to the outside of the body. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted March 4, 2018 Author Share Posted March 4, 2018 Here's one which I doubt could stand an 11 foot drop, and which is in my opinion up with the Clan as Hornby's best ever... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 Here's one which I doubt could stand an 11 foot drop, and which is in my opinion up with the Clan as Hornby's best ever... 75005_BR_4MT_75005_portrait_2abc_r1200_crop1.jpg Only problem with Hornby's Standard 4MT's, they wouldn't survive a 9 and half foot drop, they'd be a big pile of parts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 You've left the Ivatt's out of your list. I dropped a Triang Hornby blue Coronation Streamliner from standing in my loft, through the hatch onto the landing floor, which would have been around 11' many years ago. I watched it go through the opening and hit the landing floor nose first. The body came off but surprisingly the only thing wrong with it, was where the body screw thread coil fits under the chimney area, the plastic had sheared off but no visual damage to the outside of the body. Ivatt's are rare on my workbench As the body on a Triang loco is quite thick and the chassis quite solid - I'm surprised you didn't have a dent in the landing floor I do think however that one or two of Heljan's diesels may cause structural damage if you dropped them out the loft.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 (edited) Only problem with Hornby's Standard 4MT's, they wouldn't survive a 9 and half foot drop, they'd be a big pile of parts. Is that before you dropped them or after ? Any chance of a post fall picture.. how did it fair up ? I’ve a ton of Bulleid parts here, indeed I think all i’m Missing to make a new MN is a chassis+motor block... I’ve got 2x sets of driving wheels (both have a broken screw in the speedo-wheel), MN motion, MN cylinders, front bogies, MN body, WC tender, chassis keeper plate with pickups... not quite sure how Ive accumulated such a myriad of spares, having never broken one up... well actually I do... I tend to buy the part, then take on the challenge of fixing the original, and keep the redundant spare just in case... done repairs to 34088/34051/35005/ 35027 & 35028 this way. Edited March 4, 2018 by adb968008 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 Is that before you dropped them or after ? Any chance of a post fall picture.. how did it fair up ? I’ve a ton of Bulleid parts here, indeed I think all i’m Missing to make a new MN is a chassis+motor block... I’ve got 2x sets of driving wheels (both have a broken screw in the speedo-wheel), MN motion, MN cylinders, front bogies, MN body, WC tender, chassis keeper plate with pickups... not quite sure how Ive accumulated such a myriad of spares, having never broken one up... well actually I do... I tend to buy the part, then take on the challenge of fixing the original, and keep the redundant spare just in case... done repairs to 34088/34051/35005/ 35027 & 35028 this way. Still too traumatized to look at it too closely atm,she definitely needs a new step on the tender, but the loco needs at least a new body, keeper plate and front bogey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 To be honest, I don't think anything would survive 11ft, even onto carpet with a decent underlay! Even running off the end of a 3ft bench is generally terminal (Make sure those buffer stops are adequately secured!). Talking about drops, have a look at the thread on the new Heljan Class 26 locos - a number have been delivered with huge cracks in the cab front due to impact in transit! ( http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/125592-Heljan-announce-further-batch-of-oo-gauge-class-26s/page-3&do=findComment&comment=3072333 ) I would have suggested a Binns Road Hornby Dublo loco would come off best in the "Dropping From Heights" stakes, but I wouldn't want to test the theory with MY locos... Btw, anyone got experience of the ability of rolling stock to withstand the attentions of our canine friends? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted March 4, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 4, 2018 To be honest, I don't think anything would survive 11ft, even onto carpet with a decent underlay! Even running off the end of a 3ft bench is generally terminal (Make sure those buffer stops are adequately secured!). Talking about drops, have a look at the thread on the new Heljan Class 26 locos - a number have been delivered with huge cracks in the cab front due to impact in transit! ( http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/125592-Heljan-announce-further-batch-of-oo-gauge-class-26s/page-3&do=findComment&comment=3072333 ) I would have suggested a Binns Road Hornby Dublo loco would come off best in the "Dropping From Heights" stakes, but I wouldn't want to test the theory with MY locos... Btw, anyone got experience of the ability of rolling stock to withstand the attentions of our canine friends? In scale terms 9 and a half feet equates to 722 feet (11 is 836), so not quite terminal velocity - enough to do serious damage (like a Yodel driver chucking a parcel over a back gate). With dogs, feed them properly and keep them away from your rolling stock (a Kong filled with their favourite kibble usually helps) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted March 4, 2018 Share Posted March 4, 2018 I once had a Hornby 4F make the trip over the side onto the concrete floor of my garage. It survived with a cracked buffer and the loss of a handrail. Wouldn’t recover any of my current locomotives would survive that. Big james Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 Btw, anyone got experience of the ability of rolling stock to withstand the attentions of our canine friends? It doesn't fare to well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted March 5, 2018 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 5, 2018 It doesn't fare to well. IMG_8863.JPG How about the canine afterwards ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted March 5, 2018 Share Posted March 5, 2018 (edited) This afternoon, a box of photo printer inks fell from the top shelf over my computer desk. It fell 2 1/2 ft onto another shelf, very narrowly missing 2 Hornby A1 pacific bodies (railroad Tornado) that I'd fitted new handrails, smoke box dart, repainted, lined , renamed etc to retro them back to BR Peppercorn pacifics. Phew. An Oxford diecast tram took the full force of the impact and seems to have survived well. Couple of days ago the box would have totally demolished a nearly completed Airfix Supermarine Walrus, fortunately I'd moved that to a more sensible place. Edited March 5, 2018 by railroadbill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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