robmcg Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 City of London had a 'streamlined' flush sided tender, not a riveted tender with deep cab cutout. Don't worry about this mistake. No less an authority than David Jenkinson made a similar mistake when I was commissioned to paint an 0 gauge Duchess for the NRM at York in the early 1980's to display the BR experimental dark Prussian blue livery. I had to renumber and name the loco in the end. The Duchess class are something of a minefield, but then what class isn't.... Oh dear, I had forgotten to check that, when I used bits of this photo of Hornby 46245... Mea culpa. I'll call it an unrecorded tender-swap in the meantime. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 12, 2017 Author Share Posted November 12, 2017 (edited) A cheque? Would a few quiet words with the MiM be more in order and an immune from re-education certificate being issued from them be more favourable? And as promised here's a very green N15... 30792_lh.jpg 30792_rh.jpg I seriously doubt she will stay that way though... I await my MiM immunity from re-education certificate with bated breath. Your photos leave me undecided... they show a better green than the on-line ads. Is the darker green comparable to the latest rebuilt Light Pacifics? Edited November 12, 2017 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 12, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 12, 2017 I await my MiM immunity from re-education certificate with bated breath. Your photos leave me undecided... they show a better green than the on-line ads. Is the darker green comparable to the latest rebuilt Light Pacifics? Having had 25 N15's grace my workbench over the years since the new tool's initial release (and over 150's Bulleid's) it's certainly much darker than those earlier releases and certainly makes the Grange I have lurking in my to do queue look very anaemic and as Larry puts it... Malashitey. Worth pointing out as well, Sir Hervis de Revel comes with the tender brake rigging installed and your least favourite feature Rob - Satan's Plug!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) Having had 25 N15's grace my workbench over the years since the new tool's initial release (and over 150's Bulleid's) it's certainly much darker than those earlier releases and certainly makes the Grange I have lurking in my to do queue look very anaemic and as Larry puts it... Malashitey. Worth pointing out as well, Sir Hervis de Revel comes with the tender brake rigging installed and your least favourite feature Rob - Satan's Plug!! Thanks toboldlygo, Confession. I have learned to live with Satan's Plug, it's quite easy with the right tool, a cradle, and a bit of patience. I discovered how tricky plugs could be in my forays into US articulated steam of the H0 variety, for them I think it's a matter of honour to be able to not only do two plugs by feel alone, but to be able to solder circuit boards and generally never have a problem with anything... I was wondering about the colour on 34096 'Trevone', which is about the same price to we antipodeans as a Sir Hervis de Revel. Perhaps I will save my pennies, I have been filling up my LS1-engined car a bit lately.... <g> (Isn't life hard!) Edit; just remember according to Irwell there were probably FIVE Duchesses with rivetted tenders, but some records are a bit unclear. As to streamlined/modified/other, I'll leave it to thems who care about accuracy.. and fix my picture when in the mood, it will take about 40 minutes at a guess. Edited November 13, 2017 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) hey presto... cheers edit, could have chosen 45244 which went over Tring summit at about 90mph with this train, but another day perhaps. Thanks Larry for pointing out the error in tender shape and appearance. I think the engine shed code may leave some questions but I'm sure Camden engines sometimes reached Polmadie.... Edited November 13, 2017 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 (edited) From pictures, 46253 to 46257 had riveted tenders if it helps. Two handy publications on "Duchesses" are Power of the Duchesses by D.Jenkinson (OPC 1979), and Profile of the Duchesses by D.Jenkinson (OPC 1982). The latter publication deals with every member of the class on an individual basis. Edited November 13, 2017 by coachmann Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norton961 Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Re research on Duchesses, the RCTS has just published probably the definitive work on the class written by my good friend John Jennison. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2017 From pictures, 46253 to 46257 had riveted tenders if it helps. Two handy publications on "Duchesses" are Power of the Duchesses by D.Jenkinson (OPC 1979), and Profile of the Duchesses by D.Jenkinson (OPC 1982). The latter publication deals with every member of the class on an individual basis. Just acquired the latter from Amazon for less than £3 (plus 1st Class postage) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 13, 2017 Suddenly 4 Merlins appear and she finally looks like a Lancaster And a great war has erupted in the paintshop... 42xx versus Lancaster - who will emerged triumphant? 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 13, 2017 Author Share Posted November 13, 2017 Just acquired the latter from Amazon for less than £3 (plus 1st Class postage) Me too. £2.53 World Books + postage, thanks Larry for the title. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 Meanwhile, back at Crewe, sometime after 1939... Although the un-streamlined Duchesses remained red throughout much or all of the war (I think, books not at hand), they were unlikely to be this clean.... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) Until the 42xx* escapes from the paintshop, Toad will have to make do with a relatively clean J50 *The 42xx thought it wise to stay put in the bunker, as it didn't want to mess with a Lancaster with a 7,000 pound (that's weight) payload of bombs.... Edited November 14, 2017 by toboldlygo 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 Until the 42xx* escapes from the paintshop, Toad will have to make do with a relatively clean J50 J50_68950_and_Toad.jpg *The 42xx thought it wise to stay put in the bunker, as it didn't want to mess with a Lancaster with a 7,000 pound (that's weight) payload of bombs.... As damnyankees didn't fly Lancs, the probability of it suffering "Fiendly Fire" were much reduced, so its probably safe for the 42xx to poke its nose out of the tunnel! btw didn't the LNER call some brakevans "Toads" too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 Meanwhile, back at Crewe, sometime after 1939... Although the un-streamlined Duchesses remained red throughout much or all of the war (I think, books not at hand), they were unlikely to be this clean.... 6231_Duchess_Atholl_portrait50_double_chimney_4ab_r1200.jpg They'd probably have a toboldlygo overall coating of thick sludge. The nearest you'd get to identification would be "Its a Duchess, I think...." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 As damnyankees didn't fly Lancs, the probability of it suffering "Fiendly Fire" were much reduced, so its probably safe for the 42xx to poke its nose out of the tunnel! btw didn't the LNER call some brakevans "Toads" too? The Lanc's carrying a Cookie along with six 500 pounders - best to hide* and the damnyankees had to learn how to precision bomb from the Brits (and Commonwealth) bomber crews *Just ask the residents of Ausburg that had to evacuate last Christmas due to an unexploded Cookie... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 The Lanc's carrying a Cookie along with six 500 pounders - best to hide* and the damnyankees had to learn how to precision bomb from the Brits (and Commonwealth) bomber crews *Just ask the residents of Ausburg that had to evacuate last Christmas due to an unexploded Cookie... Hence the phrase "Cookie Monster". Or was that something different? As a damnyankee might have said, "Gee, is that an Oboe"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 Hence the phrase "Cookie Monster". Or was that something different? As a damnyankee might have said, "Gee, is that an Oboe"? Might be, though as childhood memories go - Cookie Monster is big and blue and you might see if you go, if you go to Sesame Street Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 They'd probably have a toboldlygo overall coating of thick sludge. The nearest you'd get to identification would be "Its a Duchess, I think...." As I have yet to weather a LMS era loco, this could possibly be slanderous comment*, as I use thin coats of acrylic paint built up over many coats - not sludge. *Another session on the Air-Smoother for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 The Air Smoother.... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... Of course "sludge" might well be defined as "an application of thin coats or deposits of fine particulate material". h,c&o. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 14, 2017 Author Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) As I have yet to weather a LMS era loco, this could possibly be slanderous comment*, as I use thin coats of acrylic paint built up over many coats - not sludge. *Another session on the Air-Smoother for you LMS era includes wartime black, AKA Humbrol matt black, applied with a brush from the 25p children's pack of ten. Worked for me, when I was 11. I even did BR or gwr lining with said brush (resembling a stick), on Kitmaster City of Truro and 61XX. Who needed a bow-pen? What indeed IS a bow pen? I rather like the LMS colours and the surviving colour images from that era are reminiscent of my own memories of 1950s NZ trains. (mostly English Electric 1500V DC covered in rust and brake dust, over what was an LMS-like red...) edit; here in 1974 and 1980... The container train would be Wellington-Auckland, two EMD 1425HP diesel electrics, 1-in-50 ruling grades (1-in-100 in photo) foreground EE 1,800hp 'Ew' class Bo-Bo-Bo. I drove trolley busses in Wellington in 1974... Edited November 14, 2017 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted November 14, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2017 (edited) From pictures, 46253 to 46257 had riveted tenders if it helps. Two handy publications on "Duchesses" are Power of the Duchesses by D.Jenkinson (OPC 1979), and Profile of the Duchesses by D.Jenkinson (OPC 1982). The latter publication deals with every member of the class on an individual basis.46221 also.. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/39/69/af3969db9f24108d38ec2b91ea98c07e.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3935/15395628118_4977b68c7c_b.jpg Edited November 14, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 46221 also.. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/af/39/69/af3969db9f24108d38ec2b91ea98c07e.jpg https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3935/15395628118_4977b68c7c_b.jpg The first picture is interesting as it must be the tender it hauled for a very short time before getting the tender off a Princess as seen in the other picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 (edited) I still can't decide.... or this... At last with Garratt there are no colour issues, I thinking of a wartime black rebuilt Scot soon, I just like them in black... Is it true that Hornby's rrp for 6108 'Seaforth Highlander' is over £180? For tooling which has versions which have sat around on special for under half this? Far be it from me, but.... seems strange. Also the slightly cheaper 6126 was rebuilt in 6/1945 so may not have lasted long in wartime unlined black. OTOH I haven't followed s/h values of Royal Scots for some time. just for fun... Edited November 15, 2017 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted November 15, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 15, 2017 A valid point,Rob,re: the Scots.The new LMS releases without deflectors accentuate the poor chimney design.At least one I have seen displays it positioned on the model at a pronounced tilt which is of course down to qc issues.I have to ask at this increased cost on old tooling...not much short of the new tooling Duchesses.... are these going to sell ,especially with the limited edition mark up on 6108 ? As a buyer at this moment in time and with so much competing for our cash,you have to question.....is this worth the asking ? Is it value for money ? That's a question only the individual can answer.....yes I'd like 6108.....but not when I've bought 6231 for the same amount . Thanks for raising the issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted November 15, 2017 Author Share Posted November 15, 2017 A valid point,Rob,re: the Scots.The new LMS releases without deflectors accentuate the poor chimney design.At least one I have seen displays it positioned on the model at a pronounced tilt which is of course down to qc issues.I have to ask at this increased cost on old tooling...not much short of the new tooling Duchesses.... are these going to sell ,especially with the limited edition mark up on 6108 ? As a buyer at this moment in time and with so much competing for our cash,you have to question.....is this worth the asking ? Is it value for money ? That's a question only the individual can answer.....yes I'd like 6108.....but not when I've bought 6231 for the same amount . Thanks for raising the issue. Yes it certainly does raise questions, Hornby's pricing in the light of the new CEO's determination to end discounting. It does rather depend on how long they are prepared to have stock sitting around unsold. I might re-number an older model rather than pay the £120+ post price we antipodeans would likely pay for a LMS 6108 'Seaforth Highlander' or a bit less for a LMS 6126 'Royal Army Service Corps', but I would have bought the latter like a shot if it had darkened metal wheel rims and motion. For the sake of interest a couple of older edited pics one a hybrid Bachmann/Hornby 6103 the other a Hornby re-numbered 6109 both 1943 rebuilds.. In the meantime I may weaken and buy one or the other of 6108 or 6126, out of simple loyalty to Hornby. I find the chimney a bit annoying, also the prototype isn't the best from some angles, but 3/4 head-on it is fine! cheers 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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