robmcg Posted May 12, 2016 Author Share Posted May 12, 2016 (edited) Wait.There is a surfeit of Brits doing the rounds at present.There is a limit to the market for yet another quite so soon. Marketing strategy....production control ? £159 rrp.Mind you £94 for an LNER N2 is as big a joke.Plain silly if you consider the bargains to be had from Liverpool and Sheffield.Please Hornby....get a grip. I agree Ian. Perhaps Hornby had he tools set up for the Kitchener and Haig pair and it cost almost nothing to market another version. Should be weathered of course, and not like the K1 but nearer to the old N15s and WC Plymouth. I've read all Hardy's novels and like them so together with it costing £120 including delivery to NZ the price wasn't quite as painful as it might be, similar to some purchases via Ebay for me where VAT is not deducted and postage is commonly £23 extra.. Actually I'm wondering how Hornby are doing, with the end of June and half year report, and won't be surprised by anything, including this Britannia being over-produced and for sale tomorrow at £87 just like the green B1.... Edited May 12, 2016 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 12, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 12, 2016 I'm not a shedbook hound, but according to the Hornby webpage, 70034 ended up at Carlisle Kingsmoor so it should be a candidate for a "toboldlygo" bucket of grunge weathering job. Pity its so expensive at the moment...... Been there done the bucket of grunge weathering job on 70034 - a long time ago 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Earlier days when Thomas Hardy was newish...? None of this AWS gear.. Original handrail deflectors, Eastern Region cleanliness... Edited May 13, 2016 by robmcg 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) Earlier days when Thomas Hardy was newish...? 70034_Britannia_portrait1_2ab_r1200.jpg None of this AWS gear.. Original handrail deflectors, Eastern Region cleanliness... One of Dick Hardy's ? Pun intended Edited May 13, 2016 by Ian Hargrave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted May 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2016 @ toboldlygo: Nice grunge, but too sunny - old 70034 should be seen on a dank, grey day, drizzle streaming down her flanks, struggling up Shap with leaking glands and a claggy fire...... @robmcg: Alas, regardless of their doom,The little victims play! Looking at TH, I think of Tess, played by Nastassjaa Kinski, harvesting root vegetables for cattle feed in a cold soggy field. Muahahahaha!!!!!! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2016 Earlier days when Thomas Hardy was newish...? 70034_Britannia_portrait1_2ab_r1200.jpg None of this AWS gear.. Original handrail deflectors, Eastern Region cleanliness... Still needs the additional Lamp Irons, as she did go to help out on the Southern Region Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2016 @ toboldlygo: Nice grunge, but too sunny - old 70034 should be seen on a dank, grey day, drizzle streaming down her flanks, struggling up Shap with leaking glands and a claggy fire...... @robmcg: Alas, regardless of their doom,The little victims play! Looking at TH, I think of Tess, played by Nastassjaa Kinski, harvesting root vegetables for cattle feed in a cold soggy field. Muahahahaha!!!!!! Film in the rain - with a expensive camera - are you mad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hroth Posted May 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2016 Film in the rain - with a expensive camera - are you mad? Oh come on, you can do wonders with some duct tape and a carrier bag! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 13, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 13, 2016 Duct tape? Carrier bag? Sounds like someone's planning to kidnap his Bank Manager lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 Still needs the additional Lamp Irons, as she did go to help out on the Southern Region Ah but not until May '53... I'll pretend 70034 was at Longsight. I must admit that the Brits really look nice when weathered, well, at least more redolent of their last days. Now I have many pics of 70034 43 45 and others too many to mention, all done by trickery you understand.... from the House of Riddles 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 (edited) After all that I still couldn't find my version of raining, near stalled, glands leaking, but I do have a variation where 70022 has sanders on, and the cross-wind would have deterred all but the most determined photographers... rather how I recall taking photos in the mid-60s myself, endless waiting then a dark cloud arrives, just where the train ought to be.... then train arrives 2 minutes after leaving the perfect spot... cheers edit to fix number, 70022 not 70019 Edited May 23, 2016 by robmcg 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 13, 2016 Author Share Posted May 13, 2016 In a fever of Riddles-mania, I have to put up this pic of my 70044 'Earl Haig'.... weathered in a manner befitting these Carlisle days 1966-7. I await the Toboldlygo version of 70043/4 although I suspect they have already been here, ... 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2016 A poor neglected Southern Region Standard 5MT... 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 14, 2016 Author Share Posted May 14, 2016 (edited) I have to say that the Bachmann Standard 5MTs are superb models, the named Southern ones the best of all ... I have made pics of 5 or 6 of them, all but one from heavily weathered models bought from various s/h sources. Just as well we have liberal rules in this thread! 73088 'Joyous Gard' 73082 'Camelot' 73115 'King Pellinore' 73155 unnamed short-lived Most of these ended up at Guildford, good! And with Arthur names it's near enough to Hornby N15s Edited May 14, 2016 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 14, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 14, 2016 I have to say that the Bachmann Standard 5MTs are superb models, the named Southern ones the best of all ... I have made pics of 5 or 6 of them, all but one from heavily weathered models bought from various s/h sources. Just as well we have liberal rules in this thread! 73088 'Joyous Gard' 73088_Standard_5MT_Joyous Gard_portrait_2abc_r1200.jpg 73082 'Camelot' 73082_5MT_Camelot_portrait8_1abcd_r1200.jpg 73115 'King Pellinore' 73115_portrait_King_Pellinore_Standard_5MT_2abc1_r1200.jpg 73155 unnamed short-lived 73155_Standard_5MT_portrait5_2ab_full_r1200.jpg Most of these ended up at Guildford, good! And with Arthur names it's near enough to Hornby N15s 5MT's are the most prolific of the Standards I've renumbered/renamed etc. I've just acquired another 'Camelot' for renaming purposes 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 15, 2016 Author Share Posted May 15, 2016 (edited) Who says Hornby can't produce a pre-war T9 Greyhound? 116 built in 1899, withdrawn from Dorchester 71C in 1951 .... Of course the Southern never got the decent coal.... Edited May 20, 2016 by robmcg 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted May 15, 2016 Share Posted May 15, 2016 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/111195-Hornby-d16-62546-claud-hamilton/ My humble effort on the 'weathered' D16. Cheers from Oz, Peter C. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 20, 2016 Author Share Posted May 20, 2016 (edited) Lovely work, Peter, superb model and great to see as Claud himself, I like the smokebox and general weathering. Excellent! My own madness has been re-ignited by this weathered Hornby N15 30799, somewhat more heavily-weathered than Hornby's not-too-bad original job. Bought from Gostude, the serious modeller's friend Rather hard to photograph under a reading lamp, looks a bit flat, but I'm sure I will find a way eventually... As a result of this model I have bought lightly-weathered 30452 'Sir Meliagrance' with watercart tender, and similarly-weathered 30453 'King Arthur' himself, both from TMC ... being of the opinion that these are lovely engines and outstanding models. They still had the latter in pristine condition for £99 when I last looked. edit; I saw a pristine mint 30803 go for £49 on Ebay last week... In the meantime, erstwhile Stanier Black 5 44694, I now have two of these, a heavily weathered version is on its way.. this one being what I would call moderately weathered. Here is a slightly more weathered 45253 we shall see how TMC stacks up when the courier arrives! Actually Hornby's factory weathering was once quite good, given a bit of meddling with the camera anyway.. Maunsell N15 30764... better go and lie down now.... Edited May 20, 2016 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 Lovely work, Peter, superb model and great to see as Claud himself, I like the smokebox and general weathering. Excellent! My own madness has been re-ignited by this weathered Hornby N15 30799, somewhat more heavily-weathered than Hornby's not-too-bad original job. Bought from Gostude, the serious modeller's friend Rather hard to photograph under a reading lamp, looks a bit flat, but I'm sure I will find a way eventually... 30799_N15_Arthur_portrait10_1abc_r1200.jpg As a result of this model I have bought lightly-weathered 30452 'Sir Meliagrance' with watercart tender, and similarly-weathered 30453 'King Arthur' himself, both from TMC ... being of the opinion that these are lovely engines and outstanding models. They still had the latter in pristine condition for £99 when I last looked. edit; I saw a pristine mint 30803 go for £49 on Ebay last week... In the meantime, erstwhile Stanier Black 5 44694, I now have two of these, a heavily weathered version is on its way.. this one being what I would call moderately weathered. 44694_Black_5_portrait6_2abcde_crop2_r1200.jpg Here is a slightly more weathered 45253 we shall see how TMC stacks up when the courier arrives! Black5_5MT_BR_45253_portrait_4abcd_r1200a_crop1.jpg Actually Hornby's factory weathering was once quite good, given a bit of meddling with the camera anyway.. Maunsell N15 30764... better go and lie down now.... N15_30764_starting_LSWR_express_2abcd_r1200_crop4.jpg I've seen that Sir Ironside somewhere before, quite possibly on my workbench... a long time ago on a previous version of RMWeb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted May 21, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 21, 2016 The first of the bargain B17/6's breaks cover - complete with a new identity (and dirt): Etched plates by Fox Transfers. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 21, 2016 Author Share Posted May 21, 2016 I've seen that Sir Ironside somewhere before, quite possibly on my workbench... a long time ago on a previous version of RMWeb It does rather have a look about it of your excellent work. When it arrived, well packed from Gostude (I paid £109) the chimney was missing, oh no! surely not? it MUST be in the packaging, no, nothing to be found... extensive head scratching and Gostude are usually very professional if not always the cheapest. It was jammed into the frame between the driving wheels, all but invisible, what a relief! Undamaged it clipped straight on, no idea what the package went through in the post. Then I logged into my double entry ID bank using usual ID plus a random number x 3 card, A-G and 1-7 in a matrix numbers random, and with 49 choices for each random number I got in sequence, A1, A2, A3. ... the odds are low for any sequence let alone that one! Clearly it was my day! Until I remembered that if you run random letters of the alphabet for long enough, you will eventually get the complete works of Shakespeare... quite a large number of attempts required for that... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 22, 2016 Author Share Posted May 22, 2016 (edited) I am temped to weather this 70034 in the manner of last days in Carlisle c1966-7 but the deflectors, low lubricator arm, smokebox top bracket, emblem and so on are all wrong, can anyone tell me which of Hornby's Britannias, if any, would suit a heavily-weathered 'last BR days' donor? I have a heavily-weathered 70022 and some lightly-weathered versions, but .... you can't have too many of these lovely engines..! maybe Hornby will have a sale on these current Thomas Hardys... meanwhile... edit; quite apart from the fact that many Hornby Brits are all but unobtainable, like the Clans, so any offers of a heavily-weathered 70050 would be gratefully received, with instant payment, shall we say, 80p ? Of course I can concentrate on Bachmann Std 5MT 4-6-0s.. you can buy them for tuppence..... Edited May 22, 2016 by robmcg 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 I renamed one of my mildly-weathered Brits in anticipation of my inevitable purchase of something more heavily weathered in the near future.. very pleased with this; full gear, regulator open and so on. cheers 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 23, 2016 Author Share Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) As far as I can tell, the versions of Britannia with later BR-style 'round hole' deflectors are 70008 'Black Prince', 70009 'Alfred the Great' (?) , 70010 'Owen Glendower', 70013 'Oliver Cromwell', 70030 'William Wordsworth', 70038 'Robin Hood', and 70040 'Clive of India'... all late BR, I'm not sure which others. 70015 Apollo has rectangular WR-style hole deflectors. 70000 'Britannia' , 70004 'William Shakespeare', 70037 'Hereward the Wake', all with original handrail deflectors, like all the above, with standard tender. 70045 'Lord Rowallan', 70050 'Firth of Clyde', and 70052 'Firth of Tay' all have the bigger tenders, and handrail-type deflectors, as was more common on northern engines?. Recent releases 70043 'Lord Kitchener' e/c and 70044 'Earl Haig' l/c both have handrail deflectors, as with 70034 'Thomas Hardy' e/c All appear to have horizontal lubricator drive arms, none I've seen have the later angled with shorter vertical arm version. Can anyone suggest an easy way to check these details, any obvious errors? (As bad as Bulleid detail!) edit; all of which begs the question, do the deflectors come off as easily as say the N15s? and if you see a 70052 or 70009 going cheap, buy it! I probably should have made a spreadsheet like Muz has done for Hornby Bulleids! Edited May 23, 2016 by robmcg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robmcg Posted May 24, 2016 Author Share Posted May 24, 2016 (edited) Another version of Thomas Hardy with late crest and deflectors, adapted from a 2013 photo of 70036 'Boadicea' by Tony Wright, more now in the condition it was in after 1963 when it went to Carlisle Upperby from Immingham, having been a Eastern engine from 12/1952. Don't worry gentlemen and gentlewomen, a new olive green T9 SR 116 has now taken my attention, and on top of that, I bought a Bachmann 31-406 Lord Nelson split-chassis 30850 and all today, I rather like the ones with blackened wheels and motion, and prefer not to die waiting for a chassis upgrade... I have bought a spare chassis with factory-blackened wheels and motion too.... just to make sure. So here is a photo-edited 70034 'Thomas Hardy' in later-BR splendour. Below that 70022 'Tornado' an ex-Western Region engine, on a parcels.... Edit; I am pleased to report that the SR T9 119 has no sign of a frame-running board gap, has superb paint and lining, and is far better in the flesh than in advertiser's photos! It's the best colour and lining I have seen on an SR model. You know the impossibly realistic boiler-lining and darkish olive green in earlier factory pictures?..., well they've done it! Same colour as on the box, too. Overall it is stunning, photos will appear soon. Edited May 24, 2016 by robmcg 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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