black5f Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I thought bridge rail too, at first, but looking again, the ends look to be a bit thin in section. Could be just the camera angle though. Yeah, sorry, it was just an old phone used and a dark and miserable day under tree cover. Plans are afoot to get there with a proper camera and take some at better angles. T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 12, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 12, 2015 Note, it's staked at one end, it was put there on purpose and staked to the ground. My guess is that it was put there to stabilise that part of the embankment - much as gabions are used nowadays. In NZ they did things on a grander scale - whole locos were dumped on river banks to deter erosion. Some of these have even been recovered and restored, I believe !! Regards, John isherwood. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm going to moot that the rail is the channel type used on trams/light tramways and is inverted? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold russ p Posted March 13, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 13, 2015 there is a wooden bodied VVV van in Peterborough west yard, along with three ferry vans, one in each livery carried, dutch, bauxite and railfreight. a bream wagon and a oca wagon full of pea shingle. a southern region brake van at manea that's clocking up 30 years in the siding and the last time I wengt through diss on the train there some wagons stored in a disconnected yard there. The VVV isn't what it seems,its air braked with conventional suspension and plain bearings. It appears to be one of the wagons that were either built or converted to air brake in the late 50s for evaluation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.A.T.Ford Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Are the 2 derailed flatrols still sat next to the Up Catford loop near Bellingham ?? That'll be 20 years ish if they are............... Yes walk my Spaniel past them in Beckenham place park regularly. What is the story of these wagons? CAT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted March 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2015 There was four derailed tank wagons on the Nuneaton-Hinckley line near to where it crosses Watling Street that were there for quite a long time twenty or so years ago. I understand that they have now been removed but does anyone know for how long they were there? I passed the site several times and was surprised that no effort was being made to remove them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 13, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 13, 2015 I'm going to moot that the rail is the channel type used on trams/light tramways and is inverted? Having seen several sections of tram rail, it looks nothing like that - more a flat-bottomed profile with a groove for the flanges in its head. On the other hand - Brunel bridge rail is exactly like the photograph, but heavier section. Bridge rail in lighter section was widely used for industrial and temporary railways - for bridges, etc. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 The aforementioned hopper wagon. No idea what it is nor how long its been there. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railsquid Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) There were a few wagons seemingly abandoned in the yard next to Worcester Shrub Hill Station for years, if memory servers correctly. Recent Google Satellite image indicates one is still there: http://goo.gl/maps/8Qj8o. Also visible on Street View: http://goo.gl/maps/uvzrY Edited March 14, 2015 by railsquid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy stroud Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 (edited) The aforementioned hopper wagon. No idea what it is nor how long its been there. Looks like a Dogfish, possibly in 'dutch' engineers livery. I must admit I didn't think they had anything as 'standard' as that in the wagon fleet on the Isle of Wight. Perhaps they 'upgraded' the fleet a little in the mid eighties around the time they replaced the 05 with the two class 03's? Edited March 14, 2015 by andy stroud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectroSoldier Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 When the little shunter left there was nothing left to move the wagons, the steam railway got it and those wagons have been there for at least that long as there is apart from the motive power of the steam railway nothing that can move it. They have been there at least since 1996 in that case... I couldnt be sure though, ive not lived here that long myself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david12345 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Has the title of this thread always been misspelled or has it been changed recently ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satan's Goldfish Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 No it's always been misspelled. That may he part of the charm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilloverland Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Theres an old story of a locomotive buried in the bog beneath Dandry Mire Viaduct (Garsdale). It ran through the buffers and toppled down about the turn of the century. Allegedly the top of its chimney was visible until the 1930s when it was burried by ballast tipped in a relaying job - I've toyed they idea of having a wonder about with a spade and a metal detector! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
david12345 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Ha ha. I've been looking at this thread for months and just noticed it last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 (edited) Shettlestone on the Airdrie-Bathgate line is a veritable gold mine, there's at least 4 old wagons there, a tanker, a lowfit, a van and platewagon. They'll disappear again in the summer when the vegetation swallows them up again. Edited March 15, 2015 by m0rris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Theres an old story of a locomotive buried in the bog beneath Dandry Mire Viaduct (Garsdale). It ran through the buffers and toppled down about the turn of the century. Allegedly the top of its chimney was visible until the 1930s when it was burried by ballast tipped in a relaying job - I've toyed they idea of having a wonder about with a spade and a metal detector! Is that not from the Hawes Junction (Garsdale) smash of 1910. The Chimney was found a number of years ago with no loco under it and is now on display at Settle station. Dave F. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Having seen several sections of tram rail, it looks nothing like that - more a flat-bottomed profile with a groove for the flanges in its head. On the other hand - Brunel bridge rail is exactly like the photograph, but heavier section. Bridge rail in lighter section was widely used for industrial and temporary railways - for bridges, etc. Regards, John Isherwood. Yes, but having seem sections of the tramway on the moors above the house that are still in situ not knowing any better that stuff looks identical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John Isherwood Posted March 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yes, but having seem sections of the tramway on the moors above the house that are still in situ not knowing any better that stuff looks identical. Then it almost certainly is. However, is it laid with the groove uppermost to take the flanges, or with the groove below as per Brunel bridge rail? Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Yes walk my Spaniel past them in Beckenham place park regularly. What is the story of these wagons? CAT The result of a derailment during a track renewal back in the early 90's ISTR and they just got moved to one side and left behind............... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
26power Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Got a more precise location? Thanks, Shettlestone on the Airdrie-Bathgate line is a veritable gold mine, there's at least 4 old wagons there, a tanker, a lowfit, a van and platewagon. They'll disappear again in the summer when the vegetation swallows them up again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 15, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 15, 2015 Got a more precise location? Thanks, I remember passing them a couple of years ago. IIRC they are slightly above the line on the North side as you pull out of the station. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilloverland Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Is that not from the Hawes Junction (Garsdale) smash of 1910. The Chimney was found a number of years ago with no loco under it and is now on display at Settle station. Dave F. I'm not sure, the story I read puts it earlier than 1910 and definatly says it was just an engine running through buffers: Its in this book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Ganger-Guard-Signalman-Memories-Carlisle/dp/0851533973 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
m0rris Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Got a more precise location? Thanks, Hopefully this works: https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Shettleston/@55.853389,-4.1510839,142m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x4888419d47296dfb:0xfd81da2889d2901f Appoaching from the Edinburgh before you get to Shettlestone station, all bar one of the wagons are viewable on the left hand side of the train then on the right there is the lowfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim15B Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 It would certainly be too small a section to be standard gauge rail I think. If it originated locally though and was reused, there were many of the local ironstone tramways began as 2ft lines or 3ft 1860's onwards, later to be relayed 3ft, meter and standard. Desborough 2ft survived to the 1960's The lines were so fleeting and temporary, 2nd 3rd and 4th hand anything is possible. The "rail" is very corroded underneath on it's lower surface and quite smooth on the upper surfaces ... but then so is my old Land Rover. We've only done a little research so far but it's absolutely fascinating, well, to me. Note, it's staked at one end, it was put there on purpose and staked to the ground. T It was put there to stabilise the bank - all the ground above it is not natural, but is overburden from quarrying to the east. The wagon stands at Manton Corner on a quarry line that was taken out of use in the 1930s as quarrying moved east. I'm going to go down with a trowel at some point and see if it's still standing on track. I guess that it was staked there to stop the overburden moving down toward the Midland Main Line. If there is track it would be interesting to see if there are any more wagons. The wagon itself looks like a calcining tipper, and ore was being calcined at Glendon in 1917. The quarries themselves pre-date this by some time, roughly the 1870s, so this wagon may date back to then. I will head down with trowel, camera and tape measure in the near future (once I find some time) - hopefully before the summer vegetation returns. Jim 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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