Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Hi all thought I would post this here... Towards the beginning of last year 2013, I sold off some modified kit's which represented Metropolitan coaches.. in my view not to well, So I sold these off to pursue new ones in their original condition as per Bluebell Railways set.Some early 3D CADs were made of a rough idea.. done on Google Sketchup... I had a few attempts at printing and getting the general idea of what I wanted how it would generally look, and be relatively easy to fit together. Reason I decided on 3D printing was I don't have the equipment or know how to build brass kits, and even if I did the London Road models which look great are the wrong type and you only get 3 coaches... when I was after 4.Prototype 1 First attempts I was advised to use the more expensive material Frosted / ultra frosted detail... but after 3 disasters and problems, it obviously wasn't the way to go... Prototype 1 and 2 I then read a topic by another member on the 3D print Cad section of this forum, which was by Ben Racey, who was doing some loco's and coach bodies, after reading and being rather impressed with what he had achieved using a cheaper material called White strong and Flexible. Hopefully this would not only improve the coaches and get more consistent results in terms of printing, but also reduce costs, with the original bill being nearly £100 for 1 coach. I also joined up with another 3D modeller who was doing various London underground stock but for N gauge. So on an agreement he would look after most of the 3D modelling side, and I would do various research ect... part of this agreement is also for him to use the models but to be converted down to N-gauge.Anyway after a number of months... thinking would it be worth continuing or not... I decided it would and decided re-drawing the body to a new design, the Bogies as well have been redesigned and changed. Images below are of the all third coach... which is certainly more promising. Edited January 14, 2014 by Bluebell Model Railway 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2014 Lovely! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerE Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 These look good, well done. Now could be very interested in these, as I model Met/GC (steam era) in P4 As you want a 4 coach set I assume you are building the 1905 push-pull set (3rd driver, 3rd, 1st and 3rd). The brake on the Bluebell is a bit of a hybrid, having had the end windows redone to how they were originally, but the sides (beyond the compartments) are not correct As you have already done the hard bit, how about 1st/3rd comp, and 2nd and 3rd brakes (tongue in cheek, and just hoping!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hello thank you for the comments. They are being designed as they are now in preservation / first built, not the push pull version as they are available in Kit form from London Road models.The set is usually 3 as you probably know, and somewhere down the line it gained a 4th...On the brake 3rd, from research and drawings ect, after various rebuilds, looking at info the Bluebell have got I can see what they have done, I have various drawings of how it was originally with 5 compartments, and then a second drawing of when it was converted, one compartment lost to luggage ect... anyway I have done it as it is now which maybe wrong but, that's how they are seen today. Indeed they are a WIP, how they are being designed is all 3rd first... then using that as a based, the Brake 3rd and then the 1st / 3rd composites... they all have been drawn plotted, so it's just a matter of time and money.I have received this very early CAD of the Brake, still much to be done, and adjustments to carry over from the all 3rd. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerE Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) The reason there are four coaches is that there were 2 Chesham 3-set coaches, and the Bluebell aquired a complete set plus one! <btw> My dad was responsible for them in the last 2 years before they were withdrawn from service in 1960. He could never get rid of the smell of rotten fish though! Edited January 15, 2014 by RogerE 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Engineer_London Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 It would be useful if long-term plans could extend to producing the First Class coach - the remaining body format for the Bogie Stock that's not provided in any of the available product ranges, 4mm or 7mm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerE Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) The London Road kits were originally designed by Clive Thomas for a projected model of Chesham. After a lot of badgering (from me) he had agreed to do the remaining steam era vehicles, but then a change of circumstances meant all this came to nought, and he departed to deepest Wales. He passed the kits over to John Redrup (London Road) who originally sold the individual coaches, but then started selling them as complete rakes only. Joe Brook-Smith used to produce moulded plasticard "body kits" of all the Ashburys (steam and Chesham modifications), although he produced them to order and never advertised them. I wonder what happened to them after his death? The only other Ashburys I know of were produced by (I forget their name) who had a whole range of coach side/end kits in etched zinc. He produced them in batches, and you could wait years if you ordered them. I ordered the Met Inspection Saloon from him about 25 years ago after seeing some of the other coaches in his range, and, apart from a note saying it would take some time before they would be available, have never heard from him since! <edit> Trevor Charlton produced the etched zinc kits Edited January 17, 2014 by RogerE Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Radley models are currently producing a range of bogie stock coaches which will be on sale later this summer. These mainly date from post 1940 and at the moment a 9 comp third, driving trailer, composite trailer and brake/driving motor are on the workbench. I shall be modifying mine to pre 1940 service electrically powered by MW or ashbury motor coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 I'm aware of Radley models, did contact them to see if they would be doing anything like this answer was no, which is a bit sad, despite hearing they may of been looking in to it, but again not seen anything for the past 2 years.I have had both bogies back from various tweaking, believe they will be a little better in terms of strength around the axle opening as this was particularly weak last time, also adjusted sided to side axle movement, so should be better all round, will be tested next month. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Looking good so far. Radley models are definitely going ahead with this as I recently spoke to Phil about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 I see, well I will wait and see on those then, sounds more like a Dreadnaught coach that you are describing, but shall wait and see before I do any more to these. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 I do like what you've done though. You won't get the brake coach you need though so it would be nice to see you finish that at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 From what you described above it doesn't sound like the coaches I am currently doing, as they are pre 1900's, and don't have 9 compartments... sound much more like Dreadnaught stock, compared to the ones I am doing at the moment, 6 compartment comp, and 7 compartment all 3rd... but I will review it in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerE Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 There appears to be a mix-up in terminology. What are generally known as Ashbury Stock were officially Bogie Stock, as they were Metropolitan's first non-rigid coaches. Subsequent coaching stock were all fitted with bogies, but were known as Main Line Stock, but unofficially were called Dreadnoughts. If Radley are producing post 1940 stock, and based on the description in Lord of Narnia's post, they are likely to be MV or MW stock, which were derived from the Dreadnoughts. This would make sense based on the Dreadnoughts Radley already produce. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) The stock that Radley models are producing are the 1899-1900 bogie stock but reconverted to steam stock. There is already a range of dreadnought stock available. Radley do produce MV motors and MW driving trailers and I would expect there to be trailers in a year or two. The coaches in the pipeline are the push pull vehicles that ran on the chesham branch although for my layout they will be fully electric. Edited January 18, 2014 by Lord of Narnia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogerE Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 They cannot be nine compartment then. The 3rd class Dreadnoughts were the first nine compartment coaches on the Met. Later when all coaches became 3rd class the ex-1st class Dreadnoughts, which were 7 compartment, became the coaches of choice for those that knew about them, because of the extra leg room. The Bogie (Ashbury) stock, except for the brakes, were either 6 compartment (1st class and 1st/3rd compo) or 7 compartment (2nd class, 3rd class). The 2nd and 3rd class brakes were originally 5 compartment. For electrification the brakes were converted to either 7 compartment 3rds or to 4 compartment motor coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 18, 2014 Share Posted January 18, 2014 Sorry massive typo!! I've got T stock on the brain! Of course the 2nd/3rd class coaches had 7 comps! You'd struggle to fit much more in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 18, 2014 Author Share Posted January 18, 2014 (edited) I contacted Radley models today... answer no we are not doing them... which seems like an odd answer if he is doing them. Not disputing what your saying there but if they were... then I would sort of say something to keep me interested. Either way, I will abandon it thanks for letting me know before I go to far. Edited January 18, 2014 by Bluebell Model Railway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 That's strange! Especially as I'm making them for him.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Maybe due to I asked were you at all in the future thinking of producing the Chesham stock Steam hauled type.. as run in preservation and recently on the 150th events for LU. "We have no plans for this stock at the moment" But doesn't matter I'll stop it there and won't continue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 I can supply MET fox bogies if people want them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord of Narnia Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 These look good Bill. Are they resin metal or plastic? I think Phil is planning to use the existing dreadnought bogies which are very similar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
billbedford Posted January 20, 2014 Share Posted January 20, 2014 That is a rendering of the bogies for my promised Dreadnought kit. They will be in 3D printed nylon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share Posted February 23, 2014 A few updates: 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted March 5, 2014 Author Share Posted March 5, 2014 I have had a recent delivery of the next coach, Brake 3rd.I still need to complete checks, and assess it for print checks for any faults or errors with the print, these will be checked with Shapeways and any adjustments recorded, I am already very pleased with the new strengthened bogies. 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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