Taigatrommel Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Previewing on facebook is Roco's 2014 catalogue... https://www.facebook.com/roco.cc/app_633392473388706 I haven't looked all the way through yet, but was surprised to see an S160. Page 24 onwards. Edit: Blimey, an SD40 too! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taigatrommel Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share Posted January 13, 2014 At this moment, there's not really another suitable place to put it. For once, it's not wholly overseas with the S160! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium gc4946 Posted January 13, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 13, 2014 I've always been fascinated by these locos since my first ride behind one of these on the Worth Valley in the late 70s. According to this clickable version of their catalogue http://www.flipgorilla.com/p/23023990364711720/show#/23023990364711720/15 liveries planned in HO are US Austrian Zone (p.15), Chinese National Rly (p.16), FS (Italian) Gr 736 (p.23) and US Transportation Corps (p.25) It'll be interesting if they'll also be released in N by Fleischmann as they're also owned by Roco. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allegheny1600 Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Good lord! That will make a dent in my wallet! I will need at least one for my Greek project to go with my S100. Strange they're not kicking off with French, Dutch & Greek versions first, maybe next year? Cheers, John E. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2014 I'm surprised too that no French version. It was a loco which a lot of my customers would have bought. But it may be a "special" for the importer and not in the main catalogue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted January 14, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 14, 2014 The new catalogue is rather unPC. Strapline on every page proclaiming "It's a man's world". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 The new catalogue is rather unPC. Strapline on every page proclaiming "It's a man's world". That's the same slogan they've used for a couple of years. Less photos of attractive ladies compared to the 2013 catalogue though and no images similar to last year's tattoo'd muscleman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 That may take a few sales away from the already few sales of the DJH/Model Loco S160 kit. Still waiting for a 4mm scale version, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenway Park Posted January 19, 2014 Share Posted January 19, 2014 Who will commission the Alaska RR version? 557 is being restored in Anchorage. Pat Durand was trying to get an HO model made in 2011/2. and was trying to see if there was interest. Will ROCO offer their USTAC version to NMRA standards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben racey Posted January 25, 2014 Share Posted January 25, 2014 May well go for the chinese version - am I brave enough to weather it....!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMJ Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 There is some film of the 3d print from the trade show now available on YouTube look for Eisenbahn Romantik Nuremberg teil 2. Gaugemaster are showing this as early 2017 about £400 with DCC sounds fitted! [Edit] to include a link to clip etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted January 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2017 I bought mine from modellbahnshop-lippe - postage cost was just one Euro, despatched Monday, arrived midday Wednesday. The model comes in its own display case: with some screws holding it to the base: The plastic base is a standardised product, with the packing pieces fixed with screws in locations to suit the model: The wheel treads are more shallow than usual, so the driving axles can be closer together: Apart from the obvious daylight under the boiler, this model has daylight through the bar frames under the cab: This is tender drive, but quite unlike the tender drive of years ago. This is fabulous. The tender chassis is rigid (the bogies do not turn) and the mechanism runs as a A-1-1-A. The tender body is a die casting. If Rapido are famed for an "insane" level of detail, well Roco have put detail on this loco you can only see when you pick it up and look underneath. Which I forgot to photograph. Phenomenal running characteristics after mandatory lubrication and two hours of running in. I don't like sound effects much, so this is the plain DC version. Flywheel on the motor but less extreme than (say) the Heljan class 128, so more controllable. Surely, this model raises the bar for British railway modelling. - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 ....Surely, this model raises the bar for British railway modelling. It would...if it were in 4mm scale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted January 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2017 It would...if it were in 4mm scale. Ivan, I agree with you entirely - but the implication is, there are (still) different standards for the two scales. I've been told plenty of times, that modern 00 RTR is "just as good as Continental models", but I've never had a recent Continental model to hand to confirm or disprove this. So if there is just one British journalist, or magazine editor, or model shop proprietor, or even manufacturer can notice this model for what it is, then perhaps the 00 modeller can have similarly good models one day. (Rapido APT-E accepted!). - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted January 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2017 Wheel tyre profile looks RP25/125 instead of NEM310. Close. I've taken the micrometer to the wheels: The loco driving wheels are around 0.117 inches thick. The pony truck and tender wheels are around 0.111 inches thick. - Richard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Bernard Lamb Posted January 27, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 27, 2017 I've been told plenty of times, that modern 00 RTR is "just as good as Continental models", but I've never had a recent Continental model to hand to confirm or disprove this. So if there is just one British journalist, or magazine editor, or model shop proprietor, or even manufacturer can notice this model for what it is, then perhaps the 00 modeller can have similarly good models one day. (Rapido APT-E accepted!). - Richard. It does look magnificent, even if a bit restricted as to area and period. I don't know about recent continental locos as the like of Roco and Gutzold have been achieving this standard of detail and performance for around 15-20 years. One major UK problem is an aversion to tender drive and another is to any attempt to update the motors. Just look at the angst when Dave Jones tried. It must have been around 1992 when they began to be put into German RTR. Also see the comments by Tony Wright about the lack of pulling power of UK RTR. Regarding the wheel profile. The flanges were actually thinner than the British standard so by luck or design they have got that right. Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittannia Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Not only are continental steam engines superior for detail, they have working lamps,very small gaps between loco and tender also sound fitted locos are only 75 euros extra and some have smoke generators,plus many locos are all metal construction, Marklin Trix and Brawa are another two excellent manufacturers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Tender-mounted motors would tend to suit bar-framed engines, though driving the tender wheels also means that what should be a pair of bogies (in this case) ends up rigid. Gützold was mentioned above. In DDR days, their stuff was of the same standard as Piko, but since reunification they've really pushed the boat out on detail. Their recent Br52s, 03.10 and 65.10 are exquisite ...and have price tags to match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brittannia Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Just a small uptake on Gutzold Locomotives, Gutzold was sold to private investors in 2013 by Bernd Gutzold,who was retiring from the business. According to Reynaulds Model shop the models are made only in Germany so perhaps that is one reason they are costly. I have two tank class 98 0-4-4 locos, no traction tyres and they too are exquisite in detail ,plus they run and pull well, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Not only are continental steam engines superior for detail, they have working lamps,.... European engines tend to have electric lamps in fixed positions, regardless of the service they are hauling, so either two or three headlamps "on". They're not like the British headcode system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 ...I've been told plenty of times, that modern 00 RTR is "just as good as Continental models", but I've never had a recent Continental model to hand to confirm or disprove this... The detail is very fine, I very much like the representaton of the bolted together castings of the smokebox saddle and cylinders in that front end view. But now Richard, measure the width over the widest point of the valve chests. A direct comparision can be made with the S100 models: Roco's HO vs Model Rail/Bachmann's OO. The Roco for detail, the MR/Bach for accurate form... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 Just a small uptake on Gutzold Locomotives, Gutzold was sold to private investors in 2013 by Bernd Gutzold,who was retiring from the business. According to Reynaulds Model shop the models are made only in Germany so perhaps that is one reason they are costly. I have two tank class 98 0-4-4 locos, no traction tyres and they too are exquisite in detail ,plus they run and pull well, Don't they just.Mainly DR (DDR) outline.Excellent diesels too. Once sold by the late Bill Eaglesham of MGS.Sadly,no more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 Tender-mounted motors would tend to suit bar-framed engines, though driving the tender wheels also means that what should be a pair of bogies (in this case) ends up rigid. Gützold was mentioned above. In DDR days, their stuff was of the same standard as Piko, but since reunification they've really pushed the boat out on detail. Their recent Br52s, 03.10 and 65.10 are exquisite ...and have price tags to match. IMG_20161126_144413_1480171486380.jpg Vastly superior to Piko fom the late 1990's.Their DDR 65.10 heavy tank is quite something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 28, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 28, 2017 I bought mine from modellbahnshop-lippe - postage cost was just one Euro, despatched Monday, arrived midday Wednesday. The model comes in its own display case: DSCF5491.jpg DSCF5493.jpg with some screws holding it to the base: DSCF5498.jpg DSCF5509.jpg The plastic base is a standardised product, with the packing pieces fixed with screws in locations to suit the model: DSCF5510.jpg The wheel treads are more shallow than usual, so the driving axles can be closer together: DSCF5522.jpg Apart from the obvious daylight under the boiler, this model has daylight through the bar frames under the cab: DSCF5524.jpg This is tender drive, but quite unlike the tender drive of years ago. This is fabulous. The tender chassis is rigid (the bogies do not turn) and the mechanism runs as a A-1-1-A. The tender body is a die casting. DSCF5528.jpg If Rapido are famed for an "insane" level of detail, well Roco have put detail on this loco you can only see when you pick it up and look underneath. Which I forgot to photograph. Phenomenal running characteristics after mandatory lubrication and two hours of running in. I don't like sound effects much, so this is the plain DC version. Flywheel on the motor but less extreme than (say) the Heljan class 128, so more controllable. Surely, this model raises the bar for British railway modelling. - Richard. DSCF5516.jpg Thank you for that.......the usual exquisite Roco quality.Presumably drves via cardan shaft from motor to drivers through cab ? This has odd echoes for me in that the packaging is very similar to SLW's Clas 24. Yes it is HO but with this quality I can see a few being willing to overlook that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 ...Their DDR 65.10 heavy tank is quite something. Yes, I've been on the lookout for one for a while now, but they're currently only being turned out in TT.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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