sub39h Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Hi guys, I have 2 Bratchell Class 319/1s in NSE livery. I had three questions about them: 1. what colour were the opaque toilet windows? 2. is the underframe of the Class 325 the same as a 319? I ask because the instructions for the underframe from Bratchell isn't massively clear and I've found a very detailed diagram and photos on one of the 325 threads on here and also because one of the contributors actually has some 325 underframe parts which are better than Bratchells that I was thinking of using instead. 3. would a Bachmann Class 350 pantograph be a suitable approximation to the style of panto originally fitted to them? I was going to use a Hornby Class 92 one but they are hopelessly fragile. Thanks! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 For some of the underframe details I downloaded some of the pics from the SEMG site (http://www.semgonline.com/gallery/class319_01.html). I actually found that a few of the Bratchell instructions disagree a bit with what I can see in the photos. However, I have settled on a bit of compromise trying to reconcile the differences with what may have been refurbished units, compared t the Bratchell unit which represents original NSE condition. Also from the SEMG photos, at least one shot of a Connex unit shows an off-white toilet window but ll others that I can find seem to suggest possibly a frosted glass as also suggested by the Bratchell instruction sheet. I'm not quite sure which way to jump on this subject! . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomstaf Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Toilet windows were frosted glass, occasionally done with a window frost sticker but had the same effect. Just run the rear of the glazing on some wet & dry and you'll get a true frosted look. HTH Tom Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 i've already glazed one of my cars so that'll be a bit of a pain but never mind. I should have really thought about this before I glazed it! Thanks for the link to the underframe. I'll probably use a combo of Bratchell's instructions, the 325 diagram and the link you've sent to get something that approximates if I can't find any further details. Would b nice to get it right though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 i've already glazed one of my cars so that'll be a bit of a pain but never mind. I should have really thought about this before I glazed it! Thanks for the link to the underframe. I'll probably use a combo of Bratchell's instructions, the 325 diagram and the link you've sent to get something that approximates if I can't find any further details. Would b nice to get it right though Where did you source the 325 diagram? there seems a variation in limited prototype images and what bits look like! be interested if you could share it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vin Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Hi, If you've already glazed one car then use a piece of 10thou white plasticard behind the toilet window. After rubbing the window on the inside with wet n dry paper. This will produce a frosted effect and the plasticard will enhance it. Vin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 10, 2014 Author Share Posted January 10, 2014 Where did you source the 325 diagram? there seems a variation in limited prototype images and what bits look like! be interested if you could share it! I believe it was in CWJ's 325 thread - by Michael Edge. #61 in thread posted below: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/49392-class-325-royal-mail-emu-in-00-gauge/page-3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted January 10, 2014 Share Posted January 10, 2014 Thanks for that I think its in my thread too!!! I do think they maybe as being built drawings and understand variations happened...as astandard across the fleet. I Think as good a shape the kits are the undefrloor gubbins suits the first release 321's? Pity really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 11, 2014 Share Posted January 11, 2014 My class 319 has run in service for the first time. I will post a video in the near future in my workbench blog. The pantograph is just tacked in place until I can build a better representation of the base and insulators supporting it.I tried a technique with the toilet window with marginal results - I used some plastic solvent on the inside of the glazing (the same solvent that has glued the entire kit together), followed by Vin's suggestion of a piece of plasticard behind the glazing. The solvent didn't frost the window as much as I expected it to. I may try pulling the plasticard off and smearing some mineral turps on the inside - that always frosts other glazing when I DON'T want it to!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted January 19, 2014 Author Share Posted January 19, 2014 Ok so the toilet window had a white plate behind it? Any further info on the pantograph? Another question if I may: does anyone have the interior layout for a 319/1 so I can purchase the correct bits from DC Kits? Thanks again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Phil Mc Posted February 10, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 10, 2015 Hi, Not sure if these are any use to you, but 319365 was stood in Crewe today, looking rather nice in its Northern colours, but in a rubbish place for pics!! Did get a shot including what I presume is the toilet window. Cropped it for the close-up. HTH Cheers, Phil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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