RMweb Premium Alex TM Posted December 31, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hi folks, Can anyone tell me if any of the above locomotive class were ever painted plain black in either Southern or British Railways days? I have found pictures that seem to show the class in Maunsell lined green or British Railways lined livery but beyond a picture of a works based loco I cannot seem to find any of the class in revenue service in plain black. The reason for the question is that I would like to add a Terrier to my small group of ex-LBSC locos and thought that one in a plain livery would be good alongside a lined one. Many thanks in advance fr any help with this. Regards, Alex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold John B Posted December 31, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 31, 2013 Page 66 of "Portrait of the Terriers" by Handel Kardas shows the former "Fulham" in July 1948 as 32644, with "British Railways" in psuedo-sunshine lettering on the tank sides, in what looks like BR Black. As 32644 was withdrawn in 1951, not sure if it ever carried this livery outside of Brighton works.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex TM Posted December 31, 2013 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted December 31, 2013 Hi John, Thanks for the reference. I'll see what I can find online with that loco number. I'm also hoping to see a couple of the more useful book dealers in February so I'll keep an eye open for that volume too. Regards, Alex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bécasse Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Strictly speaking, 32644 was in Bulleid goods engine unlined black once repainted in July 1948, hence the "sunshine" lettering, but, of course, you can't really tell the difference. It was allocated to Ashford (for the K&ESR) until withdrawn in 1951. The only A1X Terrier painted BR unlined black was DS681 which wouldn't normally have ever been seen in ordinary traffic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Well yes, but on the Isle of Wight: http://www.semgonline.com/steam/a1x_01.html The photo at the bottom of the page shows W8 at Eastleigh, and apparently it did work like that on the mainland; there may have been others. In common with other Island Terriers it had a larger bunker fitted which the Dapol/Hornby version won't do without modification (though the 7mm kits do cater for this I think). I've no idea whether you can get the appropriate lettering in transfer form however. Adam Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJS1977 Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Wasn't Stepney black when taken into Bluebell ownership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Bel Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Hi Alex, On it's return from the IOW 32646 was in unlined black. First with full sunshine British Railways then later with the early BR crest. It ran in this condition until February 1958, when overhauled at Brighton and turned out in lined black. It was in full IOW condition with extended bunker and front sandboxes combined with the splashers. There are pictures of it in the J J Smith collection in the Bluebell Railway photo archive. Sorry but I don't know how to post a link. Hope this helps. Cheers for now, Ian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWCR Posted January 1, 2014 Share Posted January 1, 2014 Plain black would have been common during WW2 and just after, It was introduced as an austerity measure on loco repaints avoiding expending man hours on lining out. Certalnly on the IOW W8 was black as mentioned above and remained so during early post war years Lettering would be Bullied "Sunshine" style yellow shaded in Green, initially "Southern" then changed to "British Railways" At Ryde works lining was abanded in October 1939 but any repaints were still Olive Green, the colour then changed to Black in April 1941. The new Malachite green was introduced with lining towards the wars end. In 1946 the islands 3 remaining Terriers were all different! W8 in unlined black, W11 in unlined Olive Green and W13 in full lined Malachite. I am sure a similar mix would have occured on mainland terriers although W13 was the only one to carry Malachite and it retained this for some time after return to the mainland. Note: The KESR Terrier "Bodiam" was also painted in Malachite following repairs by the SR but did not receive the sunshine lettering. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Alex TM Posted January 2, 2014 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted January 2, 2014 Hi folks, Thanks for all the helpful responses. I like the idea of the 'Sunshine' shaded lettering. At present I have an umber liveried E2, and am hoping to collect another one plus a terrier this Saturday. I hope to detail them and do both the A1x and one of the E2s in this livery; the other E2 will probably go into the earlier Southern font. Another A1x will be in lined pre-war green. Once more, many thanks for the information and references. Regards, Alex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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