sub39h Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Hi guys, After several iterations of a potential track plan (and literally nearly a year of chopping and changing plans, starting over, adding and adding until it doesn't all fit and getting fed up) I've decided I'm going to pare back my layout to a relatively small 4 road terminus. Having been a fan of the HSTs since a child, I finally got a chance to obtain a full rake (or rather 2) of Mk3s and 2 of the newer Hornby HSTs. It will feature in my layout but I was wondering if the HSTs actually went to any smaller terminus stations? Or if they served a sort of "temrinus wye" where they went in one way and then continued out the other side of the triangle? It doesn't matter all that much if they never did, as it's "my railway" and I'll run HSTs if I like! But it would be nice if there was somewhere that operated in this fashion that I may use to get some feel of the types of operations they used to have. If there's anywhere on the ECML that would be even better as I'd love to use my Class 91s as well. (My era is early 90s.) TIA S. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert17649 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 try newquay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium HillsideDepot Posted October 16, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2013 Not Eastern, although GNER sets did work there, and not with a triangle, but Newquay in Cornwall has but a single platform and sees HSTs in the summer (beaten to it!). Come to that, Penzance only manages 4 platforms, but lots of HSTs and Swansea likewise has 4 platforms, HSTs and has the triangle type arrangement, albeit a little way out of the station, and not much used by HSTs. Sorry my suggestions are all Western, but they at least prove its possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.Langley Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Pembroke Dock is pretty small, that still receives an HST service. Am I right in thinking Milford Haven also used to get an HST service pre FGW? More Western suggestions ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Again on the WR is Carmarthen, which is on the north side of a triangle, cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I'm pretty sure I read that there are plans afoot to run a HST service from Saltburn via Middlesbrough and Thornaby to Kings Cross. HSTs at Saltburn would be a (bizarre) sight and certainly an ER rival to Newquay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 16, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 16, 2013 Bradford or is that too big? I think HSTs used to call there once; Grand Central before the plastic bog carts? Possibly Skeggy and Scarborough? How about the 'excursion excuse' and then choose your Terminus!! P Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonC Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Is Swansea not on a triangle too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete 75C Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 At the end of the day, the OP's got the right idea. Unless totally bound by historical correctness, the modeller can run what he likes. If I ever build a model of Eastbourne station, expect to find a Class 86 and the prototype HST in the carriage sidings. Just cos I like them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 Thank you for all your help so far. I am very surprised to hear that HSTs serve a single track terminus! I like the recommendation of Saltburn - it's not too far away from where I want to be and is in God's Own County to boot. It is still a smaller station than I intend to model, but this allows me to apply some modellers' license. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catkins Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Bradford or is that too big? I think HSTs used to call there once; Grand Central before the plastic bog carts? Possibly Skeggy and Scarborough? How about the 'excursion excuse' and then choose your Terminus!! P AFAIK, Skeggy never had a scheduled HST service, but East Midland Trains have ran a HST to and from Skeggy on Summer Saturdays before. But, staying on the Eastern, Cleethorpes used to be the starting point for some Kings Cross trains in BR times, and the 'Hull Executive' used to be a HST, and that lasted up to electrification. Going north of the Border, there is Inverness, and Glasgow Queen Street, both smallish termini, with HST services. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorpion Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 East coast still serve Hull, its not exactly small thoughb vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv sorry, cat on keyboard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy stroud Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 When HSTs still ran the Ne/SW Cross Country route Gloucester was a terminating wye station Still the case with Cheltenham to Paddington trains. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the penguin of doom Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 I know it's slightly off topic, but Deltics used to run on a Filey to Kings X on Summer Saturdays, not a terminus either, but proving large trains ran from small stations. I know Deltics went to Cleethorpes too although not sure of the services they ran on. Both locations saw Deltics in the late 70's or early 80's, so "could" have been replaced by HST's when the Deltics were withdrawn...... Just an idea. Cheers. Sean. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Carmarthen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sub39h Posted October 16, 2013 Author Share Posted October 16, 2013 Cleethorpes is another great suggestion - totally by accident my layout plan for the station looks similar-ish to Cleethorpes, except there are 2 tracks approaching the station rather than one. Some great ideas chaps, thank you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirey33 Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 Portsmouth & Southsea ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 A couple of points of interest were raised in an article in the Feb 2000 RM about the Robin Hood line in Nottinghamshire, suggesting some possibilities. The article speculated about the extension of morning and evening HST services to Mansfield to provide a through commuter service to London. AFAIK this hasn't happened (but then, I'm a bit behind UK rail developments these days) but the speculation was based on a similar extant through HST service operating in Yorkshire serving Barnsley, presumably via Doncaster. A quick look at Google Streetview suggests that neither Mansfield nor Barnsley is impractically huge in their current form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Mallard60022 Posted October 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2013 Bognor Regis; Littlehampton; Newhaven Marine; Seaford; Eastbourne; Uckfield; Alton; East Grinstead; Chessington South; Tattenham Corner; Epsom Downs; Caterham; Shepperton; Hampton Court; Henley on Thames; Windsor (choose); Severn Beach; Stratford upon Avon; Yarmouth; Lowestoft; Aberystwyth; LLandudno; Buxton; Matlock; Blackpool South; Morecambe; Heysham; West Kirby; Barton on Humber; Windermere; Bishop Auckland; Bere Alston; Kingswear; Barnstable; Lymington Pier; Weymouth; Swanage; Minehaed; WEston Super mare; Barry Island. Welsh valley destinations? The Essex branches? Manchester Airport? Scotland!! OK a bit tongue in cheek with an emphasis on the cheek, but hey, it's your excursions! P P.S. There was a GNER HST into/out of Hull in the early 2000s. Then Hull Trains was born!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium pete_mcfarlane Posted October 17, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 17, 2013 A couple of points of interest were raised in an article in the Feb 2000 RM about the Robin Hood line in Nottinghamshire, suggesting some possibilities. The article speculated about the extension of morning and evening HST services to Mansfield to provide a through commuter service to London. AFAIK this hasn't happened (but then, I'm a bit behind UK rail developments these days). It never happened - I'm not sure if it would be a viable service for commuting to London. It would take well over 2 hours (with a reverse at Nottingham). I think the main benefit would be extra seats from Mansfield to Nottingham, although even now a full with some standing 2 car DMU is normally enough for peak hour services. Didn't Virgin trains run some 2 coach HST sets in their early days, due to poor 158 availability? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Falmouth Docks in the past and once this year! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 AFAIK, Skeggy never had a scheduled HST service, but East Midland Trains have ran a HST to and from Skeggy on Summer Saturdays before. But, staying on the Eastern, Cleethorpes used to be the starting point for some Kings Cross trains in BR times, and the 'Hull Executive' used to be a HST, and that lasted up to electrification. Going north of the Border, there is Inverness, and Glasgow Queen Street, both smallish termini, with HST services. Proof of Cleethorpes: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
55F Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Oxenhope on the KWVR earlier this year........just a one off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Kingswear; Actually happened - 1985 ISTR Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Midland Mianline used to run a 170 from Barnsley, so I guess it would be EMT now via Sheffield if there was to be a Barnsley>>> London HST.... There used to be a HST from Barnsley before 170s. Al Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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