RMweb Gold russ p Posted September 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1 2 hours ago, steve1 said: This image was sent to me. It seems there were, allegedly, 10 of them, plus a van. Not heard of them before. steve That does look good, a van would be a strange option I wonder if the estate was canned as it would have been a direct competitor to the scimitar and Ford would have lost business selling engines to reliant 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2 (edited) 12 hours ago, steve1 said: This image was sent to me. It seems there were, allegedly, 10 of them, plus a van. Not heard of them before. steve Interesting, and I think it's "real" but possibly home made. Escort estate window/roof section and a rather d-i-y looking rubber surround? There are a couple of other photos of purported Capri estates on the web. The gold one looks fabulous but is probably AI generated and neither the roof line or the window shape match the one above. The blue one, has a two-section side-window and screams AI at me. John Edited September 2 by Dunsignalling 3 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickstart Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 On 30/08/2024 at 16:41, Rugd1022 said: Queue to pay at the Cob. Short queue as only 2 coming off the Cob! All the best Katy 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Lovely bus, however [Crosville?]...I used to drive stuff like that for a living... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Taken from a flat in Abbey Road, North London, looking down Abercorn Place on Christmas Day 1970... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2 When did door-mirrors become the norm instead of wing-mirrors? 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 2 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2 1 hour ago, Oldddudders said: When did door-mirrors become the norm instead of wing-mirrors? Once car fronts started to slope down so steeply that drivers wouldn't have been able to see wing-mounted mirrors. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) Judging by my cars from that era, I'd have said sometime during the 70s. My H reg 1300 didn't but the '74 Clubman did. Edited September 3 by Hobby spelling 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrumpyPenguin Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 53 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said: Once car fronts started to slope down so steeply that drivers wouldn't have been able to see wing-mounted mirrors. I would have said late 70's/early 80's. IIRC it became law that the mirrors had to be adjustable from the drivers seat around that time. Unfortunatly, many people still persist in calling door mirrors "wing" mirrors. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Some more nostalgic bits and bobs... 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted September 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3 12 hours ago, Oldddudders said: When did door-mirrors become the norm instead of wing-mirrors? My first car was a 72 model year and it had door mirrors. (Bought in 84). My current car built in 69 had one wing mirror and that was an optional extra when built ! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Derek 19B Posted September 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3 Early seventy’s I remember one company van had both wing and door mirror’s( possibly wyk850h ), as the company always had wing mirrors as extras. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted September 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3 My last car with wing mirrors was my Vauxhall Firenza Sport SL, made in 1973. I then had two Renaults, a 12 (1976) and 18 (1979), neither of which had external mirrors fitted. I then had a 1985 Fiesta, with a mirror on the driver's door, but I don't remember if it had one on the other side. Everything I've had since, has had a pair of door mirrors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 3 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 3 My question, to which there has been a most intelligent response, thanks, was couched in the light of those Capri special pics - each of which had door mirrors, suggesting to me they weren't contemporary with early Capri at all. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3 (edited) At one time all that was required was an interior mirror except for vans and estate cars as the view through the interior mirror could be obscured by a load so they were required to have an external mirror. Even lorries and buses were only required to have a single mirror. Edited September 3 by PhilJ W 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Some more titbits from yesteryear... 11 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 One for our resident Francophiles, a 1978 RHD Citroen GS... https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/156386755315?itmmeta=01J6W08K86B04VEN46AVX2P6FG&hash=item24696082f3:g:RpEAAOSwoVxm1dcf&itmprp=enc%3AAQAJAAAA4IGlUAWZBx1gbu%2FRwYCIK9zZpfYGNj%2FP6IE5ymTgLY6LGvT1miC4cgDQgYTJagWNUXNdSWWNxVrv4pGTLlJvsJsaJ%2BdBWaTnQn27BKmvglM4GKw2Bn06eQXQokewb%2BMpR9ksZsxzBk8gyzRVuNx6Yl8dsLQTGULny1y%2Br3RjT49l%2Fp0sNfYPV8sa25V08LOUpiPn30QUalEYmdgg5Xx0n6eymKZP5G5bZO%2FDVtsnecN1NTuzIj68TKLWiw8GvGmEbTjgbHN5C6ExIK8Q%2BLPjMp7aINes6BCTurwUVgtmm4zH|tkp%3ABk9SR5K0ooC3ZA 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 The thing with wing mirrors is that they had to have a wing which was a suitable place to mount one which would then be usable. Many of the "sit up and beg" cars from the 20s to the 40s were unsuitable. Looking at old photos wing mirrors only became common when the front wing was big enough so that a mirror could be useful. Looking at old photos wing mirrors only started appearing in the 1950s as a common sight and even then they tended to be on cars from that era not ones from pre-war. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 On 26/08/2024 at 12:41, Rugd1022 said: Two years after buying it, I've just spent a couple of enjoyable hours sorting through the history file of my '68 Mk2 Cooper - it contains copies of all the previous owner's log books which were obtained by the guy I bought it from, luckily he managed to do this before the DVLA put a stop to it for the 'GDPR' malarky. A lot of owners would have thrown this stuff away over time, but I'm glad it's all there and find it fascinating, particularly where the change of colour occurred in the car's life - it left Longbridge in snowberry white with a black roof but in 1979 the third owner had it repainted in two tone silver over red like Ringo Starr's 1966 Cooper S, then in 1987 the sixth owner repainted it in island blue with a snowberry white roof, finally the chap I bought it from had it restored and repainted back into its original colours in 2018. It's still in its original shell complete with the original drive train, trim and interior but I'm still going to get a heritage certificate for it. It is a real shame the DVLA have stopped that, I was lucky enough to get my Land Rover history before they stopped it and found out one owner lived in the same lane as the person who gave me a lift home from school when I was 6 so I probably saw it at some point long before I bought it. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 On 01/09/2024 at 21:11, russ p said: That does look good, a van would be a strange option I wonder if the estate was canned as it would have been a direct competitor to the scimitar and Ford would have lost business selling engines to reliant Doubt that would have been a consideration in Dagenham’s or Detroit’s thinking. There’s much more money to be made selling whole cars, especially when the majority of the parts will already be available in the inventory. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted September 3 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3 18 minutes ago, Hobby said: The thing with wing mirrors is that they had to have a wing which was a suitable place to mount one which would then be usable. Many of the "sit up and beg" cars from the 20s to the 40s were unsuitable. Looking at old photos wing mirrors only became common when the front wing was big enough so that a mirror could be useful. Looking at old photos wing mirrors only started appearing in the 1950s as a common sight and even then they tended to be on cars from that era not ones from pre-war. As I stated above many cars had just the interior mirror up until the mid sixties and then external mirrors were still an optional extra. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANGERS Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 On 02/09/2024 at 11:48, alastairq said: Lovely bus, however [Crosville?]...I used to drive stuff like that for a living... Bless you my son, you have my deepest sympathies… 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stewartingram Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 6 hours ago, PhilJ W said: At one time all that was required was an interior mirror except for vans and estate cars as the view through the interior mirror could be obscured by a load so they were required to have an external mirror. Even lorries and buses were only required to have a single mirror. And I, for one, would prefer wing mirrors instead of door mirrors. Properly set up, you didn't need to move your head to view them, so everything was constantly in view. The other missing item from the same era that I miss is the opening quarterlight window. 2 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hobby Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 I suspect they'd fall foul of the damage to pedestrians rules like bonnet ornaments. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted September 4 Share Posted September 4 (edited) Deleted post. Edited September 7 by Rugd1022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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