For those interested in old cars.

[Oldddudders]

Sitting on the top deck of a bus in Torquay yesterday afternoon, a Mk1 Cortina in ermine white with green stripe went past, 1966 D suffix. No chance to assess its authenticity, of course - but real or faux, nice to see. 

[boxbrownie]

1 hour ago, Oldddudders said:

Sitting on the top deck of a bus in Torquay yesterday afternoon, a Mk1 Cortina in ermine white with green stripe went past, 1966 D suffix. No chance to assess its authenticity, of course - but real or faux, nice to see. 

In Torquay it’s either the genuine article that’s been owned from new and only driven to church on Sundays and now the Post Office on Tuesdays or it’s a rebuilt resto that’s cost a fortune and owned by someone “on the hill” as they are the only ones able to afford it. 

[PhilJ W]

Handy little car.

https://www.facebook.com/robert.hall.52831/videos/1169511796912927

[Hobby]

Well that's Roger the Rover on his way to his new owner, now to find another car... BL/BMC, 70's/early 80s, automatic and "run of the mill", not large luxury stuff like Jags or sports cars like MGBs...

[alastairq]

1 hour ago, Hobby said:

Well that's Roger the Rover on his way to his new owner, now to find another car... BL/BMC, 70's/early 80s, automatic and "run of the mill", not large luxury stuff like Jags or sports cars like MGBs...

 

This has potential indeed

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324870152096?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D600edafeeffc422889ef2831cfe31adf%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D7%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D114892108015%26itm%3D324870152096%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ac472c7f5-4148-11ec-b2a1-fee247bf386c|parentrq%3A04446cf617d0ab8edbc46893fff4f3ca|iid%3A1

 

HAs the £3K become the new 500 quid banger class?

 

The above has potential in my eyes...the stickers can be removed [hot air guns?] and those wheels & tyres replaced by steels and chromed hubcaps. Not an automatic, i admit, but, with a bit of fettling, and nice bit of typically British luxury inside?  I liked those Vanden Plas Allegros...and in all honesty, the Allegro isn't a bad car to drive, either.

Black paint isn't bad to fettle up either.....easier to match than other obscure colours?

The 1500 motor [first sign of modernism in my view, from BL?] has umpty enough to keep ahead of modern traffic......and at least you can hear this car coming down the road, unlike the new age of lectricmobiles? [Smiths, anyone? ]

[MJI]

1 hour ago, Hobby said:

Well that's Roger the Rover on his way to his new owner, now to find another car... BL/BMC, 70's/early 80s, automatic and "run of the mill", not large luxury stuff like Jags or sports cars like MGBs...

 

How do the transverse autos last?

 

SD1 V8?

[Hobby]

28 minutes ago, alastairq said:

This has potential indeed

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/324870152096?_trkparms=amclksrc%3DITM%26aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160908105057%26meid%3D600edafeeffc422889ef2831cfe31adf%26pid%3D100675%26rk%3D7%26rkt%3D15%26sd%3D114892108015%26itm%3D324870152096%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2380057&_trksid=p2380057.c100675.m4236&_trkparms=pageci%3Ac472c7f5-4148-11ec-b2a1-fee247bf386c|parentrq%3A04446cf617d0ab8edbc46893fff4f3ca|iid%3A1

 

Not an auto...

 

 

 

Thank goodness!

 

(He could at least have cleaned the inside before taking the photos!

 

 

 

Actually, Alastair, I was looking at this, up your way too, you could look it over for me!!

 

https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1380267

[Hobby]

1 minute ago, MJI said:

How do the transverse autos last?

 

SD1 V8?

 

OK from all the reports I've read, as long as you do the oil changes as they should be... The 4 speeds for the A series and E series are supposed to be pretty good.

 

SD1? Nope, that comes under the luxury category as far as I'm concerned!

[alastairq]

That VP Allegro doesn't seem to have been pulled up for much in the way of corrosion issues, from past MoT's....although it hasn't been presented for a couple of years now. [It doesn't need to be either]

The vendor is a dealer who, I think, takes stock in on commission?

 

Some 35 miles away from me...but it's worth a day out to take a look, I suspect? [If that's the sort of old motor one fancies?  Which , I suspect, it might be?]

 

I think the Vanden Plas editions of BL's product line were so much more classy than Ford's use of Ghia for the 'luxury' models?

[alastairq]

They also have a not so bad Triumph Toledo in stock as well...needs a new carpet though....

[alastairq]

Dunno about anyone else [and this might be the wrong thread for this observation?] but, thinking about INFLATION.....has anyone noticed how the UK's cheapest [& best value] new car, the  Dacia Sandero, has rocketed in price from the circa £6K of a couple of years ago, to around £10K today?

Plus, it's still the cheapest new car on the UK market???

 

How come folk think that circa £20K is a 'reasonable' price for any new car??

I thought, a couple of years ago, I'd flog me Mustang [it was only ever a way of hiding a small amount of capital]....and maybe buy a basic Sandero...5 or 6K seemed to me a reasonable price for a no frills new car to see me out of this mortal coil?

But, hey, guess what? Even the UK's cheapest [and best value] new car is rapidly going out of my price range!!

 

Plus, can I as 'eckaslike get a new car without such trivia as aircon, or connectivity, or cruise control, or assisted stopping & steering...!

Especially one that my ever-stiffening 6 foot plus frame can get into with dignity [and get out of, with similar?}

 

I don't like the idea of having stuff like connectivity [car becomes a tablet??]...since, even though I can IGNORE it all....it will still have to function correctly when it comes time to part with the car.....even if I didn't want the stuff in the first place?  Which is my not-unreasonable beef about all the kit that is foisted upon us potential 'new' car buyers......kit which obviously comes at a price which folk like me shouldn't have to be paying for???

 

Sorry, rant over...but I do NOT like sales people telling me what I need or want or should have, in a  new motorcar!!

 

I'd sooner the car costs a lot less, without all that gubbins that will never ever, ever get used!  {By me!]

[Hobby]

Alastair, what dealer is it, do you know? I tried to find a website for him (he has a few vehicles up for sale judging by the bridge in the photos!) but I couldn't find an address or anything else.

 

(Off to work now, though!)

[Dunsignalling]

20k new car? According to an item on Radio 4 this morning, the shortage of them, caused by the disrupted chip availability, is causing used ones to appreciate.

 

Depending on what it is, your 20k model from 2020 can be "worth" up to 28k on a trade in, but presumably only if the dealer  actually has something to sell!

 

John

[alastairq]

1 minute ago, Hobby said:

Alastair, what dealer is it, do you know? I tried to find a website for him (he has a few vehicles up for sale judging by the bridge in the photos!) but I couldn't find an address or anything else.

 

(Off to work now, though!)

  Work? What's that when its at home???

 

https://www.yorkshireclassiccarcentre.co.uk/

 

It's at Snaith, just a bit behind Goole....

[alastairq]

2 minutes ago, Dunsignalling said:

20k new car? According to an item on Radio 4 this morning, the shortage of them, caused by the disrupted chip availability, is causing used ones to appreciate.

 

Depending on what it is, your 20k model from 2020 can be "worth" up to 28k on a trade in, but presumably only if the dealer  actually has something to sell!

 

John

 i was thinking of 'new' as in, previously not contaminated.....

 

2nd hand cars may be appreciating  due to shortages of computer gear for new cars , [shame on us as ''drivers'' that we are led to think we need such stuff, anyway?}..but if I want a 'previously abused' car I'll stick with sub-£1000 or thereabouts for a ''daily..''

I 'need' something  I can use as a daily...not for reliability reasons, or technology reasons, but, largely, for insurance reasons.

In my experience, cars [vehicles] , despite how 'new' they may be, can be equally as prone to conking out as any 40 or 60 year old vehicle.

To substantiate my views, just take a look at the 'reliability' surveys for new vehicles? [JDPower, or Honest John, or similar?]

 

If I had just paid £50k or thereabouts for a brand new car, to have it back to the dealers to mend this that or t'uther within a matter of months [Land Rover Products, anyone?] I would indeed be well miffed!!!  

It matters not that the dealer will 'pay' for all the fixing-up that needs to be done....I would still have the inconvenience and uncertainty!

 

To me, the luxury advantage of any brand new car would be the feeling that I'd get, knowing that I would be the 'first-to-fart-inside it.'

 

Otherwise, anything not brand-new, would be second hand....regardless of age or model...and I would view it as such...Used & Abused... {I don't believe all that pre-loved nonsense spouted by the effete of the automotive world.]

 

 

[APOLLO]

My philosophy with cars these days is to buy a decent S/H one for around £3K, run it for 3 years min then it owes me nothing. £1K a year depreciation is acceptable to me. I have on 08 Seat Leon 1.6 petrol, bought for £3000 in Oct 2016 50K miles. I'll keep it for a while longer as it has just passed it's MOT, no advisories. Nice car also (A VW Golf in drag !!). Works for me in retirement, no commute or high miles these days.

 

Motoring is getting a PITA these days on all fronts, tax, insurance (bit lower this year !!), fuel, parking, Greeta (!!) etc etc.

 

Brit15

[Dunsignalling]

58 minutes ago, alastairq said:

 i was thinking of 'new' as in, previously not contaminated.....

 

2nd hand cars may be appreciating  due to shortages of computer gear for new cars , [shame on us as ''drivers'' that we are led to think we need such stuff, anyway?}..but if I want a 'previously abused' car I'll stick with sub-£1000 or thereabouts for a ''daily..''

I 'need' something  I can use as a daily...not for reliability reasons, or technology reasons, but, largely, for insurance reasons.

In my experience, cars [vehicles] , despite how 'new' they may be, can be equally as prone to conking out as any 40 or 60 year old vehicle.

To substantiate my views, just take a look at the 'reliability' surveys for new vehicles? [JDPower, or Honest John, or similar?]

 

If I had just paid £50k or thereabouts for a brand new car, to have it back to the dealers to mend this that or t'uther within a matter of months [Land Rover Products, anyone?] I would indeed be well miffed!!!  

It matters not that the dealer will 'pay' for all the fixing-up that needs to be done....I would still have the inconvenience and uncertainty!

 

To me, the luxury advantage of any brand new car would be the feeling that I'd get, knowing that I would be the 'first-to-fart-inside it.'

 

Otherwise, anything not brand-new, would be second hand....regardless of age or model...and I would view it as such...Used & Abused... {I don't believe all that pre-loved nonsense spouted by the effete of the automotive world.]

 

 

A variation on my own philosophy, though my degree of tech resistance is a bit lower, if only not to limit my choice too much, some of it is getting hard to avoid.

 

I've always gone for motors with acouple of MoTs under their belt, 30 to 40k on the clock, FSH, ideally, but most crucially only one owner.

 

Nobody keeps anything troublesome for that long. I got ten years out of two of my last three and sold them as going concerns. The most recent was perfectly OK but "just transport" and I just grew bored with it.

 

Chopped it in after three for my excellent Yeti, which had  amassed just 32k in almost five years at the time and has  clearly never been abused in any way. Yes, it has aircon, traction control, 4wd and a hands-free set up for the phone. I'm OK with all that and haven’t yet had any reason not to be. She'll be eight the week after next and the only non-consumable expense so far has been a ball-joint for this year's MoT.

 

Only obvious drawback seems to be VAG cam-belt intervals which are half what I've been used to with Peugeots, but this is another keeper.

 

John

[Rugd1022]

Nostalgia time....

 

 

 

 

 

 

[alastairq]

I really like{d} those Hillman Minx convertibles. Plus, there appears to be an extra use for wing mirrors [advantage?] over door mirrors......less messy shaving using a wing mirror? 

 

Back in the early 1970's, I lived in SE London. Not far from Lewisham. Also not far from Lewisham [town] was a scrap yard, which had loads of old van bodies crammed with all the blingy bits off really old cars...... a nest egg, perhaps?

The owner's Dad had sent his son the Oxford University, but, despite degrees & stuffs, he came back home to run the business.  I do recall he didn't seem to possess a Saarf London accent at all!  Odd when he was wearing a leather jerkin and flat cap?  Anyway, I used to go and see what he'd taken in of interest, which was still a runner...a bit of tax, a bit of mot left, etc.  He would charge 25 quid for a few months MoT......plus free spares if it needed anything,whatever it was.

I recall pondering over a Sunbeam Rapier convertible he got in. The paintwork had been taken back and red primered.....but everything except the hood was there.....it ran very nicely too....but, no hood! Doubtless he would have had a hood somewhere anyway?  25 notes, all this back in the early 1970's.  All gone now I suspect? Yard and all? It was almost surrounded [on two sides, IIRC?] by railway lines....Spent many an hour in there, if only to chat, very interesting fella....

[alastairq]

£1300 for a mini clubman estate??????

[MrWolf]

That's more like it, a gaggle of cars that you can maintain yourself. None of those electronic "intermittent faults" that no garage can trace, despite having all the right diagnostic equipment. No paying £800 for a new clutch and flywheel. No parts that can't be serviced. Much greener motoring in the long term. 

[PhilJ W]

1 minute ago, alastairq said:

£1300 for a mini clubman estate??????

The van would set you back more today.

[alastairq]

The Mini Clubman estate still exists on DVLA.

As does the minivan [an Austin version]

MArina is also on DVLA still [an 1800 too]

Peugeot is still on record as well.

 

All require taxing from the 1980's though....

None of the others are on record, however...

Edited November 9, 2021 by alastairq
been looking at DVLA's site too much

[MrWolf]

9 minutes ago, PhilJ W said:

The van would set you back more today.

 

Probably an extra £12,000.

[Rugd1022]