For those interested in old cars.

[great central]

Just followed a 69 plate Range Rover Evoque, the baby Range Rover I believe? It's bl**dy enormous!!

Makes my PT cruiser feel like a BMC mini.

[great central]

1 minute ago, Oldddudders said:

People are, on average, fatter and taller than of yore. Healthier, though? We live longer, but the NHS has a bigger job keeping us going! 

 

Maybe that's where they get the styling tips from, all these fat **sed celebrities, mustn't be sexist but I'm sure you can figure it out

[MJI]

31 minutes ago, boxbrownie said:

Exactly, but it’s not only down to safety legislation (although this does have a major impact, pardon the pun) it is also down to customer expectation, I’m paying more, I want more.

 

The first time we had a BMW Mini in for a teardown exercise we were a bit amazed that it was getting on for the width of the original Landrover Discovery Mk1, only four inches or so in it!

 

And length too.

 

Scarey!

[MJI]

17 hours ago, stewartingram said:

I've caught the odd oldie gameshow on satellite tv recently. For instance, Wheel of Fortune, with host Nicki Campbell, aired from 1989-1996. It is very noticeable how much tidier people were then, and more smartly dressed for their spot on TV. Compare with a more recent show, perhaps a recent Catchphrase? No one wears a tie, rarely a suit nowadays; jeans & t-shirts rule. And hair is scruffy, untidy beards or unshaven. We really have lowered our standards of appearance in modern times. Still, each to their own, I know where I stand.

 

Stewart

 

I hate wearing adult school uniforms, oh and currently wearing jeans, T shirt and company fleece in the office.

[boxbrownie]

44 minutes ago, great central said:

Just followed a 69 plate Range Rover Evoque, the baby Range Rover I believe? It's bl**dy enormous!!

Makes my PT cruiser feel like a BMC mini.

Are you sure it was an Evoque and not the Velar, we tried the new Evoque and thought it too small where as my DiLs Velar is massive in comparison, then again even that’s a bit small compared to her previous Discovery 5....

 

The Evoque does look very wide of course because it is so low.......for a Range Rover 

[boxbrownie]

19 minutes ago, MJI said:

 

I hate wearing adult school uniforms, oh and currently wearing jeans, T shirt and company fleece in the office.

You old slouch you..........

 

My employer actually encouraged wearing of casual shirts (read short sleeved US style) even when visiting VIPs were scheduled......I was in short sleeves and chinos when Prince Charles visited, then again most of the workers he met were in their overalls and greasy jeans, it was only the top echelon of management who wore suit and tie.

[alastairq]

I've mentioned this before [on the subject of car sizes], but my '67 Mustang coupe, a typical small American car.....is slightly shorter, and a deal narrower, than today's Mondeo......

Yet, the Mustang has a lot  more interior shoulder width than the Mondeo.

Plus, a heck of a lot more leg room for front seat occupants.

[Northmoor]

6 hours ago, MJI said:

 

I hate wearing adult school uniforms, oh and currently wearing jeans, T shirt and company fleece in the office.

Agreed, the world of work and especially leisure time has changed. 

 

Someone I knew said it's why Rover went out of business; there was a terminal decline in men who voluntarily wore a tie in their spare time.

[Rugd1022]

On 14/01/2020 at 20:41, RANGERS said:

Perhaps the rarest vehicle in those shots is in the seventh shot down, the black cab on the right is a Beardmore mk7, not the usual FX3. Only around 650 were built over a decade so never particularly common and though long lived, there's very few left. Most were registered in London but they had a handful of dealers around the country who presumably sold a few.

 

Interesting, thanks - I just assumed it was an FX3. Watching films like a 'Robbery' and its ilk is often a joy just for the locations and seeing the old cars in period, let alone the for the film itself. This five minute clip of stock footage filmed around Kensington and Earls Court is rather nice, at first I thought it was shot in '65 or '66 but near the end at least two of the vehicles (including an FX4 Taxi) have the then new reflective numberplates, which means it can't have been shot any earlier than late '67 / early '68... 

 

 

[BernardTPM]

Later than that. There's a Mk.3 Cortina at 5:02, a model that went on sale in late October 1970.

[PhilJ W]

I spotted a Mk. I Escort as well. There is approximately four minutes of film, then it goes on to a second 1.5 minutes that appears to different with brighter colours. This latter part is where all the later models and the reflective number plates appear so its possible there are two separate films made some time apart? Also the earlier part had several vehicles that would have become rare by the late 60's, I spotted a couple of sit up and beg Fords and one would expect to see a few Transit vans around in the late 60's early 70's and theres none to be seen in the earlier film. 

[BernardTPM]

I was wondering that myself. There were some of the late 1966 trio of car introductions (Mk.2 Cortina, Rootes Arrow) in the first part of the film, but nothing later. There was at one Transit van early on (at 0:14, on the left, sliding door), so I'd still say 1967-8 for the longer part, 1970-1 for the last part.

Edited January 15, 2020 by BernardTPM

[PhilJ W]

The is also a Transit Mk. II parcel van in the second half about 5:14 on the right.

[runs as required]

William Beardmore & Company of Glasgow built ships 4-6-0 locos for the GER and LNWR, aeroplanes, flying boats and motor bikes besides those rare slightly 'wrong' looking taxis

[boxbrownie]

8 hours ago, runs as required said:

William Beardmore & Company of Glasgow built ships 4-6-0 locos for the GER and LNWR, aeroplanes, flying boats and motor bikes besides those rare slightly 'wrong' looking taxis

Those wrong looking taxis looked great 20 years before they were launched 

[BernardTPM]

10 hours ago, PhilJ W said:

The is also a Transit Mk. II parcel van in the second half about 5:14 on the right.

5:04? I think that's a (petrol-engined) Commer Walk Thru or a chassis with a coachbuilt body to that kind of pattern (similar to the Bedford Hawsons). The Transit Mk.II is surely too modern, not appearing until 1977.

[PhilJ W]

Yes your right, by stopping the frame you could see that its a standard bodied example. Whats unusual about it is that its the petrol engined version with the flat grill and no bulge in the bonnet (like the EFSI model). 

[BernardTPM]

The dappled light through the trees doesn't help of course. Definitely very interesting films though! At 1:44 there's even a 3.3 litre PB Cresta estate like the rare MINIX model.

[Rugd1022]

Thanks for the comments gents, it's been pointed out to me on a Mini forum that the later clip is from '70 / '71 as there's also a Mach 1 Mustang towards the end of the film .

 

 

 

[BernardTPM]

Yes, and an earlier Mustang and a Ford Falcon in the earlier part, but in the later part there's nothing newer than the Mk.3 Cortina. The big Mustang came out in '69 as a 1970MY (the Cortina would be a 1971 Model Year design). Somewhere in the film there might be a Mini Clubman/1275GT with the revised front, though I don't recall seeing one; there are LOTS of Minis throughout though.

Edited January 16, 2020 by BernardTPM

[SRman]

That was an American Ford Falcon with left-hand drive. Australian Falcons came onto the market from 1960 and a few found their way overseas over the years. they were better cadidates for UK roads as they were already right-hand drive.

One car type that appears quite few times in the clip is the Hillman Super Minx, but I have never seen a model of one of these in any scale.

[BernardTPM]

Rootes are generally under represented in 4mm scale, save for Sunbeam Alpines and Rapiers.

[SRman]

11 minutes ago, BernardTPM said:

Rootes are generally under represented in 4mm scale, save for Sunbeam Alpines and Rapiers.

There were Hillman Minxes from Minix and Springside in 4mm scale, plus Imps from Minix and Oxford Diecast. Other than that, I have the Hillman Hunter kits from your range, Bernard, and there were the Sunbeams you mentioned, but Super Minxes seem to have been completely ignored., even though they weren't all that rare on the roads.

[Rugd1022]

15 hours ago, BernardTPM said:

Yes, and an earlier Mustang and a Ford Falcon in the earlier part, but in the later part there's nothing newer than the Mk.3 Cortina. The big Mustang came out in '69 as a 1970MY (the Cortina would be a 1971 Model Year design). Somewhere in the film there might be a Mini Clubman/1275GT with the revised front, though I don't recall seeing one; there are LOTS of Minis throughout though.

 

Fifty seven Minis according to my mate on the Mini forum! Didn't notice any Clubmans though, which were unleashed on the unsuspecting public in October '69. I noticed a nice Alvis two door Coupe and a couple of Volvo P1800s in the mix.

[PhilJ W]

I spotted a DAF 33 as well.