Rugd1022 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I can remember nice Dino's at £80 not that long ago, they're up at £400K now! £80...? Typo, surely!! Like early Porsche 911s Dino 246s have gone through the roof and show no signs of dropping back, whereas others parts of the classic market have started to cool off a bit. Kettle's on, time for another burst of blatant nostalgia... Chester in 1961... Somewhere in France, early '70s... Here's an interesting one - the striking similarity between the Peugeot 504 and Lancia Flavia 2000 Coupes, something I hadn't really noticed before... 15 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Steve Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 £80...? Typo, surely!! Like early Porsche 911s Dino 246s have gone through the roof and show no signs of dropping back, whereas others parts of the classic market have started to cool off a bit. Kettle's on, time for another burst of blatant nostalgia... CITROEN 07566a.jpg CITROEN DS CAP.jpg Chester in 1961... CHESTER 1961.jpg Somewhere in France, early '70s... CITROEN SM 1970.jpg Here's an interesting one - the striking similarity between the Peugeot 504 and Lancia Flavia 2000 Coupes, something I hadn't really noticed before... LANCIA FLAVIA 2000 & PEUGEOT 504 Coupes #1 Pieter van Gent.jpg Guy up our road has a lovely red HF2000, cracking looking car, Was featured in Practical Classics last year 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Guy up our road has a lovely red HF2000, cracking looking car, Was featured in Practical Classics last year Is it RHD Steve..? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Steve Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) Is it RHD Steve..? From memory, yes it is. Fuel injected, Bosch D Jetronic too Edited October 21, 2018 by Southern Steve 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Next door neighbour has just dragged his little Italian wedge out of the garage... 13 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 £80...? Typo, surely!! Like early Porsche 911s Dino 246s have gone through the roof and show no signs of dropping back, whereas others parts of the classic market have started to cool off a bit. Kettle's on, time for another burst of blatant nostalgia... CITROEN 07566a.jpg CITROEN DS CAP.jpg Chester in 1961... CHESTER 1961.jpg Somewhere in France, early '70s... CITROEN SM 1970.jpg Here's an interesting one - the striking similarity between the Peugeot 504 and Lancia Flavia 2000 Coupes, something I hadn't really noticed before... LANCIA FLAVIA 2000 & PEUGEOT 504 Coupes #1 Pieter van Gent.jpg I like these......tractions in 1970, still? A decapotable in the fog & mist? And taxis with flashy teddy bear's ears... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnlambert Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Next door neighbour has just dragged his little Italian wedge out of the garage... DSCF3607.JPG What a beauty! Looks really good without the bumpers and minus the badge on the rear boot lid. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I like these......tractions in 1970, still? A decapotable in the fog & mist? And taxis with flashy teddy bear's ears... I guess in 1970 the youngest Traction was only 15 years old. Getting on a bit but not truly ancient. Given how many late 50s cars were still daily drives in the UK in the mid to late 70s I'm not especially surprised. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The FX4 taxi's had the roof mounted indicators until 1969, so wouldn't necessarily been that old in 1971-2 (K reg era). Late-'50s cars weren't that common by the mid '70s, though there were late '50s designs being built until the late '60s/early '70s which tends to skew the appearance.* The "France, early '70s" had two CXs in it, so can't be taken before late 1974. Given that's a procession of Traction Avants I wouldn't be surprised to find it was some kind of special event, perhaps even associated with the launch of the CX. *e.g. Ford Anglia 105E, Triumph Herald, Austin A35 commercials, BMC Farina, Morris Minor to name a few. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Brit15 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The FX4 taxi's had the roof mounted indicators until 1969, so wouldn't necessarily been that old in 1971-2 (K reg era). Late-'50s cars weren't that common by the mid '70s, though there were late '50s designs being built until the late '60s/early '70s which tends to skew the appearance.* The "France, early '70s" had two CXs in it, so can't be taken before late 1974. Given that's a procession of Traction Avants I wouldn't be surprised to find it was some kind of special event, perhaps even associated with the launch of the CX. *e.g. Ford Anglia 105E, Triumph Herald, Austin A35 commercials, BMC Farina, Morris Minor to name a few. I wasn't necessarily being ageist in my observations..but merely enjoying some of the things we once took for granted, but probably have forgotten? Would the Citroen photo be a Citroen publicity shot, praps? Thinking Back to the time, I don't think we had the same sort of classic vehicle movement we have today.....those who liked old vehicles would have been looking at pre-WW2 at the latest...cars of the 50's were bangers to most ...much like cars of the 1990's are today, to the non-cognoscenti? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 very 80s feel to a delivery today fully restored "p " plate chevette hatch in white parked in the yard behind the fence an very tatty looking MG Metro 1300 other side of the carpark mk1 buffet car and a class 58 cab saddly land owner forbade photos but am working on it 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 The FX4 taxi's had the roof mounted indicators until 1969, so wouldn't necessarily been that old in 1971-2 (K reg era). Late-'50s cars weren't that common by the mid '70s, though there were late '50s designs being built until the late '60s/early '70s which tends to skew the appearance.* The "France, early '70s" had two CXs in it, so can't be taken before late 1974. Given that's a procession of Traction Avants I wouldn't be surprised to find it was some kind of special event, perhaps even associated with the launch of the CX. *e.g. Ford Anglia 105E, Triumph Herald, Austin A35 commercials, BMC Farina, Morris Minor to name a few. Perhaps not common, or maybe I grew up in a particularly rich pocket, but I remember A30s, A35s (saloons, so pure 1960), pre-Farina Oxford and Cambridge, 100E Ford variants (OK, those made it to ~1962), split screen Minors and loads of Rover P4s, all in local day to day use during my childhood in the 70s. Numbers dwindled rapidly as 1980 came around, but a few held on to become classics rather than cheap old hacks. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Controller Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I wasn't necessarily being ageist in my observations..but merely enjoying some of the things we once took for granted, but probably have forgotten? Would the Citroen photo be a Citroen publicity shot, praps? Thinking Back to the time, I don't think we had the same sort of classic vehicle movement we have today.....those who liked old vehicles would have been looking at pre-WW2 at the latest...cars of the 50's were bangers to most ...much like cars of the 1990's are today, to the non-cognoscenti? I wonder if the building in the background was Citroen's Batignolles factory, near the line from St Lazare to the west? I did a brief Google, but could only find views of the area as it is, the Parc Andre Citroen and associated office and housing developments. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2018 I was happily driving around in a Ford 100E Popular as late as 1974. Back then it was only 12 years old and even then was replaced by a newer car, a 122E Anglia estate that was itself six years old. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) The fact that A35 vans were made to 1968 would have helped surviving saloons, less fortunate contemporaries (e.g. Standard Eight) would have faded faster as spares (especially for the body) would have been harder to come by. The P4 was actually made until 1964; my Uncle had a couple of these, the second well into the 1970s, being replaced with a Mk.I Escort soon after the Mk.II came out. And I did use the phrase 'not common' as I know how the local mix varies from place to place. For example I regularly see a 1952-4 Austin Somerset in 'ordinary' use but I wouldn't say the type was common. More prosaically there's an original Nissan Micra around, but they're no longer common either (the second, rounded one is though). Trying to get an accurate reflection of what was typical isn't easy. I tried to get a better idea by looking at pictures for my target date (1972) and identifying as many vehicles as I could, aging them by either registration number or by type, in the latter case giving them an assumed maximum age. This gave a peak result of 1970 as being the most common. Even so I was surprised how quickly numbers fell off after you got past 8 years of age, rapidly after 13 and precipitously after 18 years of age. Even so, there was one (just) pre-war model in the sample. Edited October 22, 2018 by BernardTPM 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2018 The fact that A35 vans were made to 1968 would have helped surviving saloons, less fortunate contemporaries (e.g. Standard Eight) would have faded faster as spares (especially for the body) would have been harder to come by. The P4 was actually made until 1964; my Uncle had a couple of these, the second well into the 1970s, being replaced with a Mk.I Escort soon after the Mk.II came out. And I did use the phrase 'not common' as I know how the local mix varies from place to place. For example I regularly see a 1952-4 Austin Somerset in 'ordinary' use but I wouldn't say the type was common. More prosaically there's an original Nissan Micra around, but they're no longer common either (the second, rounded one is though). Trying to get an accurate reflection of what was typical isn't easy. I tried to get a better idea by looking at pictures for my target date (1972) and identifying as many vehicles as I could, aging them by either registration number or by type, in the latter case giving them an assumed maximum age. This gave a peak result of 1970 as being the most common. Even so I was surprised how quickly numbers fell off after you got past 8 years of age, rapidly after 13 and precipitously after 18 years of age. Even so, there was one (just) pre-war model in the sample. Not forgetting the Morris Minor that in van form that was produced up until about 1973. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted October 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2018 Its surprising how many models that were once so common have disappeared almost entirely. The number of Nissan Praires on the road can be counted on the fingers of one hand. There are none of the once very common Suzuki SJ Jeeps left at all (though quite a few are sorned and maybe being used off-road.) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium uax6 Posted October 22, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 22, 2018 Not forgetting the Morris Minor that in van form that was produced up until about 1973. Production ended in1972. The PO held supplies that were then registered upto the end of the L plate..... (31st july 73). Andy G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Hmmmm! I was running around in a Wolseley 16/60 in 1975. Followed by a PC Cresta. Then a pre- '62 Austin A 40. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 (edited) The 16/60 was made to 1971, the PC to 1972, so that makes the old A40 Farina easily the eldest (and even the Mk.II finished in '67). I seem to recall reading that there were about the same number of Mk.Is made as there were Mk.IIs but the Mk.I ran just three years ('58 to '61) and the Mk.II six. It might seem odd now, but in 1972 you could have a J reg. Mk.III Cortina estate that was older than a K reg. Morrix Oxford Traveller even though the former was a 1970 design while the latter was a 1961 update of a 1958 design. Edited October 22, 2018 by BernardTPM 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatB Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 The fact that A35 vans were made to 1968 would have helped surviving saloons, less fortunate contemporaries (e.g. Standard Eight) would have faded faster as spares (especially for the body) would have been harder to come by. The P4 was actually made until 1964; my Uncle had a couple of these, the second well into the 1970s, being replaced with a Mk.I Escort soon after the Mk.II came out. And I did use the phrase 'not common' as I know how the local mix varies from place to place. For example I regularly see a 1952-4 Austin Somerset in 'ordinary' use but I wouldn't say the type was common. More prosaically there's an original Nissan Micra around, but they're no longer common either (the second, rounded one is though). Trying to get an accurate reflection of what was typical isn't easy. I tried to get a better idea by looking at pictures for my target date (1972) and identifying as many vehicles as I could, aging them by either registration number or by type, in the latter case giving them an assumed maximum age. This gave a peak result of 1970 as being the most common. Even so I was surprised how quickly numbers fell off after you got past 8 years of age, rapidly after 13 and precipitously after 18 years of age. Even so, there was one (just) pre-war model in the sample. The point about the vans is well made and hadn't previously occurred to me. It might also partly explain the relatively late survival of as many pre-Farina Cambridge saloons as I remember, given that the van was in production to the end of the 60s. You're right too about the Standards. I remember very few of either the small ones or any flavour of Vanguard in use, although there were a few dead ones in gardens and farmyards. Your mention of an 8 year age landmark is also interesting. In 1976, at the age of 9, I gave some thought to when a car might properly be considered "old". The cut off I settled on was 8 years which, at the time, was an F plate. In hindsight I suspect the main influences of this choice were the transition from Ford 105E to Escort and, IIRC, Mk1 Mini to Mk2. It also put the majority of BMC Farinas, Morris Minors etc. into the "old" bracket, along with all Mk1 Cortinas with their, to my eyes, old fashioned styling. Of course, that now forces me to think of 2010 cars as "old" which, as I simultaneously think of 2010 as barely yesterday, causes a bit of confusion for my temporal circuits . 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alastairq Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Am I right in thinking........[no, maybe not a good idea?].......that the Ford Consul Classic had thicker steel than the mk1 Cortina? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Of course, that now forces me to think of 2010 cars as "old" which, as I simultaneously think of 2010 as barely yesterday, causes a bit of confusion for my temporal circuits . Different perspective though; you're no longer 9 so 8 years isn't nearly 90% of your life. Also a 2010 car these days would probably still look new unless it had been either severely neglected or accident damaged. By comparison take a look at the Ford Corsair in this photo. Being the V4 version it was less than 5 years old when photographed, but already it's going scabby along the bottoms of the doors. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Am I right in thinking........[no, maybe not a good idea?].......that the Ford Consul Classic had thicker steel than the mk1 Cortina? Not sure about thicker, but it certainly had more steel than the Cortina. The latter was very carefully pared down to reduce the basic weight to a minimum to improve performance and mpg. The Consul Classic was intended to come out before the 105E Anglia but the latter was prioritised, delaying introduction by over two years so by the time it appeared they were already well on their way with the replacement Cortina. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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