Rivercider Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Glorious (not!) at Lostwithiel In far from glorious weather 50033 Glorious runs up through Lostwithiel. I don't know what the working was, the time was 12.05 on Wednesday 23rd June 1980. (50040 Leviathan was on the following 11.05 Penzance - Plymouth, which was 12.24 off Lostwithiel) cheers 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rivercider Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 Here is one from 1983 1B59 13.45 Penzance - Bristol calls at St Austell behind 45128, 8/3/83 cheers 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djcwey Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 I'm prepared to buy that. The angle is very acute making it hard to be absolutely certain but having blown the image up as large as I can and gone over it with a pointy thing i can indeed only count five windows in total. I can't readily trace any official declassifications of CK coaches but do have a vague recollection that some (possibly only one seen multiple times) existed - even if unofficially - and with markings removed but first class seating in tact. I also travelled on the trains in question numerous times and observed them on many more occasions though without taking detailed notes or photos at the time. I reckon it is a BCK. It IS difficult to count the precise number of windows... but count the number of 'bumpstops' on the side of the rear of the coach, the number and position of 'running boards', and it would appear to indicate only one set of double doors in the brake section (not two, as per a BSK - the first coach in the rake)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) Well it's not a BCK. The photo on post 29 clearly shows that it is a BFK, which also have only one set of double doors. Edited July 29, 2013 by Flood Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim H Posted August 2, 2013 Share Posted August 2, 2013 When's the Hayle photo dated? I've seen a BFK on a Cornish local in April 1988, quite possibly the same vehicle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium alexross42 Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) While recently watching some of the videos from the The Alan Harrison Collection on YouTube (which is excellent and highly recommended viewing for fans of mid-1980s B.R.) a particular formation from the video "Part 16 Bodmin, Lostwithiel & Par" piqued my interest - it shows a 50 leaving Bodmin Road heading West with a four-coach load which initially I thought must be a Plymouth-Penzance stopper, but the consist struck me as a bit odd: Mk1 Buffet Restaurant MK2f FO (i think it's an 'f' - could be a 'd'!) MK2A with NSE flashes MK2C BSO or BSK It's a great one to model but the inclusion of a full buffet isn't something I've seen before on the many variations of the 1980's loco-hauled Plym-Penz service - is it possible this was split from a longer consist or just another of the many formation possibilities to add to the list? The video can be viewed below: Thanks, Ross. Edited July 24, 2020 by alexross42 Clarity 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 The whole rake seems a bit strange. I would guess that they had stock at Penzance booked for maintenance at Laira so they made a rake of replacements to work Plymouth - Penzance in order for the coaches needing maintenance could be worked back on the next service. Or it is a scratch rake being used for a local service diagram with the RBR being attached to be available at Penzance to replace another. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 On-train catering wasn't commonplace through Cornwall until the HSTs took over. It would be unlikely that an RBR was sent from Laira to Long Rock on a Plymouth - Penzance stopper just to attach it to an up train. That would normally have been done as a portion added at Plymouth. The formation suggests a scratch set having been made up of anything available. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium alexross42 Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2020 Thanks for your replies chaps, I was doing some more research via Flickr and found an image that may well provide an answer - it's a very similar load four consist (complete with RBR) running into Penzance on a local service where the stock is then used to form part of a long distance service, perhaps the same process was happening on this day? https://flic.kr/p/b4Xwh8 The caption reads - "50013 'Agincourt' heads a small but perfectly formed train of one buffet car, one first, one second and one brake van into Penzance on 16.3.87. This was the 07.27 from Plymouth, the vehicles of which then formed part of a long distance departure from Penzance - probably the 10.30 to Liverpool" Regards, Ross. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Pilotman Posted July 24, 2020 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) We don’t know if all the sequences in that video were filmed on the same day but the up train that passes through Lostwithiel twelve minutes from the start certainly appears to have those same four coaches at the head of the train. This would concur with the Flickr caption you refer to and suggests that this was more likely to be a regular booked working rather than a one-off scratch set as surmised above. Edited October 14, 2020 by Western Aviator 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gwiwer said: On-train catering wasn't commonplace through Cornwall until the HSTs took over. It would be unlikely that an RBR was sent from Laira to Long Rock on a Plymouth - Penzance stopper just to attach it to an up train. That would normally have been done as a portion added at Plymouth. The formation suggests a scratch set having been made up of anything available. Seeing as the 50 is in large logo it is certain to be after 1980 when the HSTs came. The 07.30 Penzance - Glasgow/Edinburgh always had the buffet from Penzance and gained BG, 2 TSO at Plymouth to make the whole rake 13 coaches. The flickr photo is interesting. I remember the Liverpool and Newcastle dropping stock at Plymouth until May 1987 on the way to Penzance in the evening so a morning working to bring the stock together again would be plausible. I have no reason to doubt the flickr caption. Edited July 24, 2020 by Flood 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 9, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2020 I just found this interesting thread. I have the formations of at least 10 rakes of 50+4 Plymouth Penzance stoppers from early 80s. Also a number of Paddington PZ trains with aircons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium alexross42 Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 09/10/2020 at 10:08, MJI said: I just found this interesting thread. I have the formations of at least 10 rakes of 50+4 Plymouth Penzance stoppers from early 80s. Also a number of Paddington PZ trains with aircons. Hi Martin, I'd certainly be interested in seeing the 50+4 rake formations if you'd care to share them? Best regards, Ross. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted October 14, 2020 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) Plymouth PZ roughly dinner time 10/01/83 47,549 W24012 W35196 W16108 W25250 PARCELS SIDING M81109 M86534 11/01/83 50,033 LL W34560 W5034 W16255 W24086 PS M81112 W86576 12/01/83 50,025 LL W25250 W16108 W35196 W24012 PS M81415 W86190 13/01/83 47,513 80847 W25962 M25721 M16124 4939 25715 81476 25671 13412 25627 PS M80908 W86576 14/01/83 50,028 W34560 W5034 W16225 W34551 PS M80788 M86534 15/01/93 50,026 M16124 M25721 W25962 M81362 PS 86328 17/01/83 50,002 M81362 W25962 M25721 M16124 PS M80553 M86905 18/01/83 50,001 W34551 W16225 W5034 W34560 PS M81279 M898?8 (4 OR 9) 19/01/83 50,027 W25962 M25721 M16124 W35201 PS M81436 M86163 20/01/83 50,022 W34551 W16225 W34560 PS M81065 M86541 Edited October 14, 2020 by MJI 1 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
EddieK Posted December 4, 2022 Share Posted December 4, 2022 On 19/06/2013 at 14:50, cornish trains jez said: Another nice set of photos Craig. I'll definitely be modelling the rake in those first two photos!! Do you know which 50 was hauling it? Also, was the DVT rake running in the 80's?? Best regards, Jeremy Only just found this thread. When I started work at Wembley Carriage Depot in August 1989, as I recall, all the Mark 3 sets based there retained Mark 1 BGs, although the Oxley based sets may have been using DVTs. (The Oxley sets were Mark 2f stock with Mark 3 buffet cars).. I am presuming that the Milton Keynes to Penzance was a Summer service? Also, my memory tells me that the Penzance working did not originate until Summer 1990 - please correct me if I am wrong..... The punch line is that it is unlikely that DVTs reached Penzance in the 1980s. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 4, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 4, 2022 Milton Keynes - Penzance was a summer-only out-and-back working iirc. The WCML “EBW” rakes ( Euston Birmingham Wolverhampton) included Mk1 BGs with special maintenance and authority to run at 110mph (built as 90mph stock, many later uprated to 100mph) and likewise those catering vehicles which were used until the Mk3 ones were ready. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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