RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted November 28, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 28, 2016 Quite inapproriate for my layout but also irresistible. I look forward to the real one returning to working order on the SVR in due course too. Hopefully next year and yes a fab engine to work on. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 28, 2016 Share Posted November 28, 2016 I had an 8F on the 4mm Oswestry that used to fly through non-stop with Crosfield Chemicals tanks from Warrington. So now I am looking for a suitable LMR loco in 7mm and that Stanier 2-6-0 looks just so fantastic.....It's too good for 4mm...! (I had better wink fast). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 Quite inapproriate for my layout but also irresistible. I look forward to the real one returning to working order on the SVR in due course too. We're looking at early 2018, which is realistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
APOLLO Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 42968 was a Springs Branch (Wigan) loco in her last days, saw her many times. Oh for a time machine to ride on this trip behind her !! (courtesy of Six Bells Junction) http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/ 13th August 1966 Wigan Area Railfans Society Wigan Area Brake Van Tour Loco Used 42968 Route : Loco Route 42968 Springs Branch - Wigan NW - Boars Head Jn - Adlington Jn - Horwich - Horwich Fork Jn - Dobbs Brow Jn - Hindley No. 3 - Westwood Park - Pemberton Winstanley Colliery Sidings - Pemberton - Wigan Wallgate - Hindley No. 2 - De Trafford Jn - Whelley - Standish Jn - Coppull Hall Sidings - Standish Jn - Whelley Jn - Amberswood West Jn - Platt Bridge Jn - Bamfurlong Sorting Sidings - Ince Moss Jn - Fir Tree House Jn - Platt Bridge Jn - Bickershaw Jn - Hindley South - Wigan Central Goods - Hindley South - Bickershaw Jn - Platt Bridge Jn - Springs Branch - Wigan North Western You can trace most of her route here Brit15 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) Now, and saying right at the start, that these models far exceed my wildest expectations, I offer a few comments for the truly pedantic. 42968: The AWS is for the engine in BR service, not as preserved. In preservation and with TPWS, the timing reservoir on the driver's side and the large tank on the fireman's side weren't needed and not fitted. The steam lance cock on the fireman's side of the smokebox was never fitted in preservation, but the front end steam heat bag was carried only in preservation. Full marks however for getting the position of the works plates right, high up and back. She was the only class member to have them there. I notice that they are in the correct and more usual position on 2965. I notice too that the model sports a 5A (Crewe North) shed plate; she was there from 03/05/58 to 10/06/61, but throughout her last preserved ticket in BR livery she carried an 8F (Springs Branch) plate, the shed from which she was withdrawn. From memory of the Bachmann Horwich Crab, the tender coal rails need to be added by the purchaser, and should be. Note that in preservation, although 2968 had the rails, she did not have the guides for the fire irons, which Railtrack insisted be removed before she went on the main line. The covers to the clack valves for these engines was of two types, rounded or flat sided. When the loco was first restored from Barry condition, new ones were made which were a totally different shape, and this has followed through on the models. A look at photos will show what I mean. Similarly, the pipes for the cylinder drain cocks are over-long on the preserved loco, and this has followed into the model. Now with those minor details out of the way, I'd like to offer Bachmann 11 points out of 10 for this engine. I would not have expected the level of detail to include the drive linkage to the mechanical lubricators, but it does! Edited November 30, 2016 by LMS2968 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 42968 was a Springs Branch (Wigan) loco in her last days, saw her many times. Oh for a time machine to ride on this trip behind her !! (courtesy of Six Bells Junction) http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/ Brit15 Strangely, she was third choice for this tour, which was always scheduled for a Stanier Crab. At the time it was planned there were only three left: 2954/63/68. 2963 was the chosen loco, but was withdrawn after the planning but prior to the tour. Then 2954 was the substitute but failed a few days before, leaving only one contender. At least, she got a thorough cleaning out of it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold TheSignalEngineer Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 30, 2016 Looks a nice model. I think I can justify 42968 with a 5A plate as I am doing West Midlands c1960. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted November 30, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 30, 2016 42968 used to be paired with a Stanier tender for better water/coal capacity, whilst doing it's mainline runs in the late 1990s. I have unfortunate memories of it, as it ran over one of my cats in my view, as it passed my back door in mid-January 1997......... If I ever backdate my modelling to then, 42968 will be paired with a Stanier tender and a little white cat will be sitting on the buffer beam. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachmann Posted November 30, 2016 Share Posted November 30, 2016 (edited) I filmed it some years ago pulling out of a temporary speed restriction at Abergele & Pensarn station (with Stanier tender) and I have never seen so much smoke in all my creep up. It was volcanic. Also got a good sequence of it tearing through Colwyn Bay at night with its high pitched whistle screaming as it approached the platforms. Last time I photographed one was in 1964 on frozen meat containers from Holyhead, a regular late afternoon working. Edited November 30, 2016 by coachmann 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenrithBeacon Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Now, and saying right at the start, that these models far exceed my wildest expectations, I offer a few comments for the truly pedantic. ... I notice too that the model sports a 5A (Crewe North) shed plate; she was there from 03/05/58 to 10/06/61, but throughout her last preserved ticket in BR livery she carried an 8F (Springs Branch) plate, the shed from which she was withdrawn. ... Just add to 'LMS2968''s comments. If the modeller wants to a model of this engine with a 5A shed plate I'd check first with photos to see if it had AWS fitted at this time. I'm by no means sure it did, but photos will prove it one way or the other. Not many of the LMS and BR mixed traffic engines had AWS fitted until the 1963-67 period and even then only if main works had a set in stock, usually taken from a withdrawn engine. 42968 certainly had AWS fitted by 1966, I have a Roger Carpenter photo of that date which shows it. Regards Edited December 1, 2016 by PenrithBeacon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bike2steam Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Just add to 'LMS2968''s comments. If the modeller wants to a model of this engine with a 5A shed plate I'd check first with photos to see if it had AWS fitted at this time. I'm by no means sure it did, but photos will prove it one way or the other. Not many of the LMS and BR mixed traffic engines had AWS fitted until the 1963-67 period and even then only if main works had a set in stock, usually taken from a withdrawn engine. 42968 certainly had AWS fitted by 1966, I have a Roger Carpenter photo of that date which shows it. Regards I have a pic of 42968, with AWS, taken in March 1961, I believe it was added during it's previous works visit for a light overhaul at the end of 1959, returned to traffic in Jan 1960. It's nice to see Bachmann got the location of it's worksplate in the right position. Edited December 1, 2016 by bike2steam 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Blandford1969 Posted December 1, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 1, 2016 42968 used to be paired with a Stanier tender for better water/coal capacity, whilst doing it's mainline runs in the late 1990s. I have unfortunate memories of it, as it ran over one of my cats in my view, as it passed my back door in mid-January 1997......... If I ever backdate my modelling to then, 42968 will be paired with a Stanier tender and a little white cat will be sitting on the buffer beam. Cheers, Mick My memory was it got 5110's tender whilst 29 was having a new tender top built that is wider than the original (I cant remember by how much (age) but I'm sure 2968 will) Personally I preferred it to work on with the Stanier tender, but that's a personal preference for Stanier rather than Fowler tenders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 Be still my beating heart... There's a couple of moderately significant and widespread in service Stanier classes which would inevitably be seen alongside this class, the current RTR models of which simply cannot live with that I would suggest. Almost makes me regret going 7mm. Make a distant view on your layout, and within it to aid the forced perspective is a particularly fine example of 4mm RTR? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMS2968 Posted December 1, 2016 Share Posted December 1, 2016 (edited) Firstly, apologies to Newbryford for the loss of his cat. I like cats and have had one go missing and another run over by a car, so I know the feeling. 2968 did indeed run all her fourteen main line runs coupled to the Stanier 4000 gallon unit from 5110. Her own tender, widened by two inches per side to give a capacity of 3900 gallons, was reattached shortly after the last run and was with her when she did the Steam on the Met turns later in 1998. The Engine History Card makes no mention of fitting AWS, which is not uncommon, but she had a Light Intermediate repair at Horwich 10/12/59 to 19/01/60. I agree with bike2steam that that is probably when it was done. Edited December 2, 2016 by LMS2968 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDJR7F88 Posted December 3, 2016 Share Posted December 3, 2016 A short video taking a look at the Bachmann Roadshow Stand, during the Warley National Model Railway Exhibition.As well as demonstrations and tutorials, on display was a large number of up and coming and prototypes, including the up and coming LNWR Webb Coal Tank and LMS Stanier Mogul. Filmed Saturday 26th November 2016, we take a closer look at these new models, plus more. Hope you enjoy! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hirUpp1DA-0 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) A full review of this model is available in todays release of the March edition of Hornby magazine. The wait is nearly over ! Edited February 9, 2017 by Black 5 Bear 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Already reviewed in BRM - some extra photos and prototype notes here - http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/119329-brm-march-free-credit-card-size-magnifying-card-free-dvd/?p=2607193 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted February 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2017 Also in Railway Modeller Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltonparva Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I've just looked at the review in today's Modeller, and the photo of the opened up tender seems to show a stay alive fitted. Is this what it is, and as there appears to be only 2 wires bridging the loco and tender does that mean there's no pickups on the chassis? Edited February 9, 2017 by daltonparva Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeps Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The review in the Modeller says the front steps can only be fitted if the loco is only going to be used for display purposes but my Crab 2-6-0 which I think uses basically the same chassis, copes okay with second radius curves, it's going to look a bit odd without the front steps which are such a distinctive feature of this class. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 (edited) I've just looked at the review in today's Modeller, and the photo of the opened up tender seems to show a stay alive fitted. Is this what it is, and as there appears to be only 2 wires bridging the loco and tender does that mean there's no pickups on the chassis? All wheel pickup excluding the pony truck (apparently) However even if there were no tender pickups it would require 4 wires between loco & tender anyway, ( 2 pickups from loco wheels to decoder & 2 back to motor) So maybe the 2 we see in photo are perhaps each a double wire?? Additional info I have just checked out a couple of other Bachmann locos and it would appear that I am correct in that the wires are double and do appear to be just 2 individual cables Edited February 9, 2017 by Stevelewis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mel_H Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The wait is over! While overall it looks nice, the chunky front footsteps are a shame as times have moved on and more delicate, better looking ones would fit with level of detail of most contemporary models. Also the huge slotted screw head onto the connecting rod is a disappointment when things have otherwise moved on. Anyway, a question. In the reviews BRM states the locos are fitted with coreless motors and HM reckons it has a five pole motor. Bachmann's web site doesn't offer any clues. Some people say that coreless motors don't like H&M units others say that they have no problem or that control is limited. Does anyone know what type motor is fiited? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daltonparva Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 All wheel pickup excluding the pony truck (apparently) However even if there were no tender pickups it would require 4 wires between loco & tender anyway, ( 2 pickups from loco wheels to decoder & 2 back to motor) So maybe the 2 we see in photo are perhaps each a double wire?? Additional info I have just checked out a couple of other Bachmann locos and it would appear that I am correct in that the wires are double and do appear to be just 2 individual cables Thanks for that. Any idea about the thing that looks like a stayalive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted February 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 10, 2017 Looking at the head on photo of the model in HM it appears that the steam pipes are solid to the smokebox - no gap behind them. This is incorrect for the preserved 42968 - is it correct for any of the class? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin_R Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Looking at the head on photo of the model in HM it appears that the steam pipes are solid to the smokebox - no gap behind them. This is incorrect for the preserved 42968 - is it correct for any of the class? Looks like 42968 is in final BR condition before it was withdrawn, not as rebuilt / preserved on the SVR. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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