Which class 43s had guards' compartments?

[giz]

So is this incorrect then?

 

http://www.newrailwaymodellers.co.uk/images/Hornby-2012/coaches/mk3_br_buffet_western_region.jpg

I think the window layout of the TRSB matches the Hornby RFM on the corridor side but differs on the kitchen side in that the narrow high level windows are nearer the coach end on the TRSB, there is an additional small half height window and the short full depth one is slightly nearer the passenger area.

 

Compare:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/5457584681/

 

with:

http://www.ehattons.com/32201/Hornby_R4399_Mk3_Wrexham_Shropshire_Cargo_D_Coach_Pack_with_3x_Mk3_coaches_in_BR_Blue_with_W/StockDetail.aspx

 

and an actual RFM:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tutenkhamunsleeping/5476998399/in/set-72157625197320866/

Edited May 1, 2013 by giz

[The Fatadder]

Did any powercars in Great Western Trains fleet circa 1997/98 maintain the guards window (either in IC or Merlin livery)?

[Robert Shrives]

Hi  Just had a quick look through Andrew Cole "Class 43 Locomotives" book and the answer seems no with many plated over shown in Merlin and later liveries but I guess more time might throw up an example

 

Robert   

[The Fatadder]

Hi  Just had a quick look through Andrew Cole "Class 43 Locomotives" book and the answer seems no with many plated over shown in Merlin and later liveries but I guess more time might throw up an example

 

Robert   

Thanks for checking

 

I will have to dig out my archive hard drive and have a look through there to double check if a back up survived, I'm sure that I have seen one of the early Merlin repaints with a window but cant remember if I also found one in Intercity within the GWT fleet.

 

Time to crack open the 1997/8 Platform Fives and trawl through Flickr / Smugmug  

 

Edit: I have managed to answer my own question.  43006 was in Intercity in 1997/98 and working for GWT as per this photo:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/16220293@N07/15030673846/

Edited December 19, 2017 by The Fatadder

[rodent279]

Not Great Western Trains, I know, & not the period in question, but here's 43046 departing Bedford in Aug 2003, still with guards window & driving desk window in position. I presume the driving controls had long since been removed.

 

43046_Bedford_Aug_2004_02 by Mr Ratty, on Flickr

Edited December 20, 2017 by rodent279

[GordonC]

Not Great Western Trains, I know, & not the period in question, but here's 43046 departing Bedford in Aug 2003, still with guards window & driving desk window in position. I presume the driving controls had long since been removed.

 

43046_Bedford_Aug_2004_02 by Mr Ratty, on Flickr

 

I thought the prototypes were the only ones that actually had a driving position at the blunt end

[The Fatadder]

I thought the prototypes were the only ones that actually had a driving position at the blunt end

on the production hst the window is not for a driving end, it’s the guards compartment (later moved to the TGS coach due to the noise and vibration) Edited December 20, 2017 by The Fatadder

[royaloak]

It’s nof a driving end, it’s the guards compartment (later moved to the TGS coach due to the noise and vibration)

It was on the two prototypes.

[The Fatadder]

Edited to make my meaning clearer

[rodent279]

I wasn't aware that they never actually had a driving desk. I knew the prototypes did though, and I thought the production fleet had them but they were not used & then removed. I've learnt something today!

[peterfgf]

Does anyone know what the actual noise and vibration levels were in the guard's compartment, especially in comparison with the levels in the driver's cab?  It always seemed a bit odd that at least 8 seats and the revenue were lost.

 

Peterfgf

[frobisher]

Does anyone know what the actual noise and vibration levels were in the guard's compartment, especially in comparison with the levels in the driver's cab?  It always seemed a bit odd that at least 8 seats and the revenue were lost.

Not necessarily - the sets were also being expanded in length around the time the TGSs were introduced so was additional seating rather than a reduction.

[jonny777]

Not Great Western Trains, I know, & not the period in question, but here's 43046 departing Bedford in Aug 2003, still with guards window & driving desk window in position. I presume the driving controls had long since been removed.

 

43046_Bedford_Aug_2004_02 by Mr Ratty, on Flickr

 

 

 

It seems that Midland power cars kept them longer than others.

 

 

Here is 43052 at Bedford in August 1997

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited, to add this Virgin example from 15th April 2003 - 43064 at Nuneaton

 

Edited December 21, 2017 by jonny777

[russ p]

Does anyone know what the actual noise and vibration levels were in the guard's compartment, especially in comparison with the levels in the driver's cab?  It always seemed a bit odd that at least 8 seats and the revenue were lost.

 

 

Peterfgf

 

Absolutely bloody awful ,not only very noisy but I remember them being full of fumes and rode quite rough as you were on the overhang.

Sometimes used to co in them if train was full when travelling passenger